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From: gwinston@cisco.com (Graham Winstone)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:53:02 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: Billing '99

Clive Taylor wrote:
> time.

Will ex 90 owners and now free (big cough) land (even bigger cough) ers
be allowed to come along and drool over the real vehicles there, or
will the members of the pub start talking in Welsh...  I can always
hope that I have saved enough pennies by then to arrive in style and
keep the _other_ LR a secret.

- Graham

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From: "Saunders.Richard" <Richard.Saunders@haltoncollege.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:56:00 -0000
Subject: Billing

Me to
 
At billing from Tuesday to Sunday...
 
As Tim I will be in a... Landrover, now theres a supprise, I am not sure
which one, (Ok I admit it I have more than one...)
 
See you all at the beer tent?
 
Richard
 

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From: Andrew Baker <Andrew_Baker@mitel.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:15:59 -0000
Subject: RE: Billing

OK I'll be the first to admit their ignorance and ask "what are the
dates for Billing this year?" and maybe more importantly, "when is the
S3 day at Eastnor?".

Andrew B

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From: Steve Reddock <Steve@Reddock.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:23:24 +0000
Subject: Braking

Back in the old days brakes were crap. If you used them too much they would
overheat and you couldn't stop. Hence people were taught to brake on the
engine/gearbox.

People also did their own maintenance and wipping the gearbox out was not
the major heartache it is today. They sort of expected the car to break
down in a big way every few years.

Now brakes are good. People also think pulling the gearbox out at 50K miles
is a sign of a crap car. Changing the brake pads every 20K is much cheaper
than paying someone to recon your gearbox every 50K.

So people are taught to slow on the brakes (also brings the lights on...),
then when you know the exit speed from the hazard you can select the
appropriate gear in one change. i.e when you come up to a roundabout leave
it in top while you brake, if you can go without stopping, change down to
second and go. If you must stop, stop possibly in top then change. But
changing to 2nd before stopping is not a shooting offense.

Changing from neutral to first to pull away does wear the syncros. Again,
clutch release bearing last ages and are cheaper/quicker to fix than gears.
The handbrake should be able to hold a car at idle in 1st gear also should
the driver be careless/clutch fail. In practice I do hit neutral is I'm
stopped ages, but not for things like red lights.

Also, if you slow rapidly on the gearbox you can lock up the wheels, which
is not always condusive to accurate directional control.

I was told you would fail the advanced test for the intermediate changes if
they weren't required as it was a sign you couldn't work out that you would
need to go from 4th to 2nd in advance. 

Steve

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:32:11 +0000
Subject: Re: Land Rover Recalls

 This may cause the
>vehicle to deviate from a straight line under normal driving conditions.

Bloody posers...its trying to ape my Series 11A.

Mike Rooth

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From: "Jason Price" <jason_p2@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 01:50:19 PST
Subject: Re: safety

>In message <bulk.24526.19990217000601@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, Andy 
Gardiner <101_nut@shedcity.demon.co.uk> went into rant mode saying...

<snip>
>Whatever happened to the Green Cross Code? Most kids nowadays seem
>to use the 'I'll cross when I feel like it and the cars wo't hurt
>me' method.

As punt n' dennis pointed out in their 'milky milky' tour, the idea
of a large, muscular man in tight green trousers offering to help
small children if they come with him seems no longer fashionable.
:^)

I agree with your point though andy.  When I looked into this a few
years back (and wrote to the gub'mint about it), the statistics
published by police based on real accidents with and without bull
bars did not show a statistically significant increase in pedestrian
fatalities with bull bars.  Difference was less than 2% on real
accident data (not a watchdog "lets compare this fiesta with this
ford cargo" analysis)

And whomever posted saying people let you in more often with bull
bars on is absolutely right!

Jason
--
Dr. Jason E Price                              |\      _,,,---,,_
jason_price@geocities.com                 ZZzz /,`.-'`'    -.  ;-;;,_
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Trails/5404/|,@-  ) )-,_. ,\ (  `'-'
                                             '---''(_/--'  `-'\_)
"I drive a landrover - my crumple zone is the car in front"

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From: "Iain Tennant" <i.r.tennant@dundee.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:54:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Land Rover Recalls

David Codrai wrote:> 

> Coolant deposited onto engine components that operate at relatively high
> temperatures, may evaporate leaving a high concentration of glycol
> antifreeze which under certain conditions may ignite.
 
This has jogged a couple of grey cells into action (doesn't leave me 
many left to work with I know).   Fitted a hot-start a few months 
ago and the most practical place on the 300Tdi is down below the 
heater box which means extra heater hoses on the exhuast manifold 
side of the lump.  Everything's properly secured but I hadn't even 
thought about fire danger with glycol deposits.  Worth bearing in 
mind.

Regards,

Iain

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From: "David Vella" <landy@digigate.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:06:07 +0100
Subject: building a hard top for a lwb series 2a (cross post)

 Hi

Sorry for the cross post but i need to reach the max amount of people as i
need some help on building a hard top for an lwb seres 2a !!

the series is not mine but of a rescue volunteer organisation and we need to
build a hardtop for the 2a, anyone has some info on how can we build one, or
anyone has built one himself ? we would possibly need the measurements and
some pics. if possible as it would help us a lot !

the other option is of buying one , we found one locally (Malta-Europe)
second-hand for LM200 ($600, 400Sterlings)!! anyone has one for sale cheaper
than this and in good condition ? windows are not a must (prefer if withou
them) ?

thanks guys, since i have been on the list i really learned a lot on my 1988
Turbo Diesel 90 and altought i dont write to the list so often i would like
to thank you for your immense help :))

cya, regards !

     David Vella
  GFI Fax & Voice
 [www.gfifax.com]
-=1988 White 90=-

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From: "Davidge, Anthony" <antony_davidge@merck.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 05:16:58 -0500
Subject: Billing

	There's a few of us (6) from work going to Billing, well the most
that our Dept' will allow off on holiday at any one time, including 2 non
L/R owners, who have been warned not to take their cheque books - because we
know they'll be tempted.

	Our little gathering will consist of

	1969 - S2a 88'' Station Wagon in limestone - with Bronze green paint
on shopping list*
	1970 - S2a 88'' Hard top in bronze green - with truck cab and
tailgate on shopping list
	1990 - 90''  300Tdi - Blue, with roof-rack and raised air intake on
shopping list 
	???? - ?? because they're sure to want to buy one.

	*Sorry Wayne - couldn't resist commenting on color.

	When and where is every one supposed to be meeting up, with CD's
attached????

	Tony 

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From: "Peter Estibeiro" <petere@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:24:42 +0000
Subject: Re: s3 clutch

Paul
Sounds more like a gearbox problem.  I'd suspect very worn teeth on 
the reverse idler dog.  
Peter.

Peter Estibeiro
Membrane Biology Group
Department of Biomedical Science
University of Edinburgh
Edinburgh EH8 9XD
tel: 44 131 6503731
fax: 44 131 6503711
email peter.estibeiro@ed.ac.uk

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From: "Peter Estibeiro" <petere@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:28:42 +0000
Subject: Re: safety

> >Whatever happened to the Green Cross Code? Most kids nowadays seem
> >to use the 'I'll cross when I feel like it and the cars wo't hurt
> >me' method.
> As punt n' dennis pointed out in their 'milky milky' tour, the idea
> of a large, muscular man in tight green trousers offering to help
> small children if they come with him seems no longer fashionable.
What about Tufty then?  He's pretty PC.  Bring back Tufty I say!

Peter.

Peter Estibeiro
Membrane Biology Group
Department of Biomedical Science
University of Edinburgh
Edinburgh EH8 9XD
tel: 44 131 6503731
fax: 44 131 6503711
email peter.estibeiro@ed.ac.uk

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From: Andy Gardiner <101_nut@shedcity.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:53:46 +0000
Subject: safety (no ranting)

In message <bulk.27676.19990218000703@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, owner-uk-
lro-digest@playground.sun.com writes
>Not changing down, I believe is the technique taught for the 'Advance Drivers 
>Test.' 
Similarly, when I was taught ( some years ago ...:-( ) I was told that
accelerating like hell in second gear than a change straight into fourth
was part of the advanced driving test 'to allow quick get-away from
junctions into traffic flow'. I don't know whether you've heard a mini
metro doing 40mph in second gear, but I was wishing that I was a gearbox
expert - I'd be making a fortune!

I'm sorry but 'advanced' seems to be a bit tenuous from what I've heard
...
-- 
Andy Gardiner

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From: "Micky" <micky@big101.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:20:58 -0000
Subject: Re: Billing

I'll be there, in my little white Mini Pickup. 

The 101 will be ready for Billing, Billing 2003 at this rate...

Micky
101 in bits

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From: "Micky" <micky@big101.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:25:35 -0000
Subject: Re: Re Safety/Driving techniques

>>Is it because kids are taught that according to the Health and Safety
>Executive,all things dangerous are now labelled<
>Nahh.. in my area its because the kids (equally applies to cyclists)
>are bloody minded, they know if you hit them its your fault..
>They tend to wander down the middle of the road, flicking V's
>at anyone who upsets em..

A mate of mine in an old rally spec Toyota (frightened the living s**t out
of me when he took me for a "spin") has his own ideas about kids playing
chicken. They expect him to slow down and perhaps peep his horn. He changes
down and accelerates...

Certainly encourages them to cross more quickly!

Cheers

Micky
101 in bits

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From: "Micky" <micky@big101.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:19:09 -0000
Subject: Re: Braking

I guess it's horses for courses... I _had_ to use the brakes to slow down my
101, 'cos using the gears to slow would make it back-fire on the over run
thingy. Frightened the living daylights out of me, let alone other road
users - huge sheet of flames coming from exhaust clearly visible in wing
mirror... Mind, it did come in handy to make a point when people were
overtaking in silly places, just ease off the accelerator to slow a little
to make it easier for them to get past, then pop pop pop BANG! Beats
tailgating them to make a point... I guess it's pretty irresponsible to give
people a fright when they're doing something silly / dangerous, but it makes
me feel better.

My little Mini Pickup is a different matter - I've put discs on the front,
but the servo died a couple of years ago, so you really need to hammer the
brake pedal to get it to stop quickly. To make the brakes last longer, I
slow down whenever possible using the gears. Double de-clutch every time to
make sure it actually changes down and to increase the life of the synchro.
Added bonus is the nice popping noise coming from the exhaust - might have a
bit of a leak there, but it sounds nice.

Cheers

Micky
(101 in bits)

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From: "Micky" <micky@big101.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:32:29 -0000
Subject: Re: safety

>And whomever posted saying people let you in more often with bull
>bars on is absolutely right!

I've not got bull bars on any of my vehicles (putting them on a Mini is
taking the piss) but I did find that I was given a certain amount of respect
in the 101. Even bus drivers were more courteous then normal...

I did get cut up once by a rather rotund young lady on a two-wheeled hair
dryer. I could hardly see her over the front - all I saw initially was a
crash helmet. She was close enough to hear me explaining to her how daft she
was (in not quite so many words) over the noise of her moped at the V8...

I generally try to keep an eye out for bikes on the road, give them plenty
of space when I'm overtaking, or pull right over when being overtaken. Some
people, on the other hand, seem to have a death wish, and should not be
allowed out onto the roads...

Micky
101 in bits

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From: "Baker, Stuart J" <bakersj@bp.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:51:32 -0000
Subject: Re: Extraction of steering relay

I can't remember whether its in the manual, or I read it as a tip in LRO,
but I have seen pictures of it being wired up securely with a heavy duty
sack, to stop innards coming out at rate of knots.  Not sure if this works
as I, like Tony ended up cutting the chassis up to get it out.  However as I
was replacing the chassis with a nice new galvy one it didn't matter.
I actually ended up buying a new one at 50UKP as the old had seized.
Sorry I can't be of more help and good luck.

Stuart
SII Big and Yella 

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From: "Baker, Stuart J" <bakersj@bp.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:53:50 -0000
Subject: Re: Billing

I'm planning on going this year for the first time, with my first Landy.  As
long as Frank promises not to take the piss to much over the colour!

Stuart
SII Big and Yella

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From: "Baker, Stuart J" <bakersj@bp.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:59:21 -0000
Subject: Zenith

I've got a Zenith on my SII 2.25 which appears to have a leak
When the engine is running it's fine (albeit a bit rough).  However when I
turn the ignition off, I get quite a bit of petrol seeping out through a
hole which is just below and to the left of the mixture screw.  I have
another old Zenith carb, and on this one it's not a hole, just a recess. .
Any ideas why this hole is there?

Cheers

Stuart
SII Big and Yella

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From: "Peter Estibeiro" <petere@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:45:54 +0000
Subject: Re: safety (sheep droppings)

> I'm sorry but 'advanced' seems to be a bit tenuous from what I've heard

I've been sitting quietly for a few days but now feel I should 
intervene on behalf of the advanced driving system and how I 
understand it.  I have done the advanced training and passed the test 
a few years ago.  I was always very impressed with the reasons given 
for the different ways of doing things.  Firstly, the basic test is 
set at a pretty low standard in my opinion.  It teaches and tests the 
basic techniques of car control at speeds of probably no more than 
50mph, probably in an urban situation.  The advanced training is 
supposed to take you beyond that and teach you how to be in total 
control of your car at much higher speeds (up to 150+ mph for drivers 
of emergency vehicles but, unfortunately only 70 mph for us mere 
mortals).  And under as wide a variety of road situations as 
possible.  The aim is to keep the car controlled, ballanced and 
responsive at the same time as being completely aware of outside 
factors and interpreting them correctly.  

People have been discussing braking v gears as you slow for a 
junction.  Its assumed now adays that the brakes will slow the car 
without overheating and without fade.  Advanced driving is about 
doing as little as possible at the same time, everything you do 
detracts from your control over the car and awareness of things going 
on.  If you press the brake with both hands on the steering wheel you 
reduce your control over the car to a certain extent.  If you then 
declutch and take one hand off the wheel to change gear while still 
breaking, you have about 40 to 50 percent reduced control compared to 
driving at a constant speed with both hands on the wheel.  If a child 
then runs into the road you might not cope as well as if you were not 
thinking about the gears and had both hands on the wheel.  

Its all about control, anticipation and interpretation.  As you brake 
coming up to a junction you should be looking into the junction and 
interpreting what you see.  If the road is clear you don't have to 
stop (if there's no one about at all, you shouldn't even have to 
indicate.) As you see the clear road ahead you can take your foot off 
the brake, select an appropriate gear for your next action (probably 
second) and keep rolling.

Road position, always being in the right gear, and keeping the car 
neutral and ballanced are also explained and practiced.  

If you get it right the result is incredibly smooth driving, even in 
a series III.

I was once on a training run with an advanced instructor.  On a 
twisty country road he said "careful of the sheep coming up".
"What ?" I asked.
"Sheep, slow down"
Round the next corner was a flock of sheep.
He explained that he had seen their droppings in the road and had 
noticed that they were still steaming!

On with the discussion:-)

Cheers
Peter.

   
Peter Estibeiro
Membrane Biology Group
Department of Biomedical Science
University of Edinburgh
Edinburgh EH8 9XD
tel: 44 131 6503731
fax: 44 131 6503711
email peter.estibeiro@ed.ac.uk

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@offroading.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 14:22:29 -0000
Subject: Re: safety

> (putting them on a Mini is
>taking the piss)

I've SEEN one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Neil

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@offroading.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 14:29:20 -0000
Subject: Re: safety

Just one question....my auto drops down through the gears as I brake...does
that mean the gearbox will explode?! I think not......just be thankful if
you were that silly girl who undertook my SIII - saw the lorry, and cut me
up AGAIN at 55mph. The brakes aren't that good on the Rancor...4.3.2. saved
her and her poxy Escort. I stopped...as did the lorry - he must have seen
what was happening!

Of course it didn't srop taking her number and reporting her to the Police
for dangerous driving. The lorry driver backed me up BTW.

Hope they threw the f***ing book at the silly cow.

Neil

SIII 1978 2.25 109"

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From: Dale Smith <smithdv1@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:53:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Billing '99

I'm going to give it a try if I can get the time off work.
Smitty
---Johan Helsingius <Johan.Helsingius@EU.net> wrote:
So, how many of us will make it to Billing this year. Its straw poll 
time. 
Count me in. Or green. Or whatever. In either the panther or the
carawagon, or both. 
	Julf

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From: SAsq944634@aol.com
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:28:28 EST
Subject: Discovery

I'm looking for a second hand set of side steps for a Discovery.
Also a centre console- beige.
Thanks.
Stewart

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From: "Dave Codrai" <dave@codrai.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:15:27 -0000
Subject: Re: Zenith

>I've got a Zenith on my SII 2.25 which appears to have a leak
>When the engine is running it's fine (albeit a bit rough).  However when I
>turn the ignition off, I get quite a bit of petrol seeping out through a
>hole which is just below and to the left of the mixture screw.  I have
>another old Zenith carb, and on this one it's not a hole, just a recess. .
>Any ideas why this hole is there?

It's been a while since I had a series vehicle but if the hole is threaded
it may be a late SIII carb, which had an electrically operated solenoid to
cut off the fuel flow to prevent dieseling (running on).

Dave

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:22:03 +0100
Subject: Glow plug blues

I have driven rovers for years without ever seeing a blown glow plug,
not in the last 4 months, I have changed glow plugs 5 or 6 times on my
88". I put a complete new set in about four weeks ago, and today they
stopped working again.

I thought it might be that the engine was running to hard, and
overheating the glow plugs and melting them - I have heard that this can
be a problem,. especially with Cyl. #4. So tonight I took the test meter
to the car and checked things out.

Heres the circuit -

feed          to indicator     cyl        cyl        cyl        cyl
+              |                4          3          2          1
|------------o earth
 ballast coil                   o          o          o          o

Certain things are obvious from this cuircuit -

1.	All plugs muust be OK for circuit to work (X-mas tree light
principle)
2.	If no power reaches the ballast coil, nothing will work
3.	If power reaches the coil and plugs, but is subsequently laid to
earth by a fault - nothing will work
4.	If the link between the glow plugs is removed, and the line thus far
is metered when the ignition switch is in the pre-heat position, if the
meter shows 12 volts or over - the fault is on the disconnected side of
the circuit.

I have removed the links towards the front of the engine one at a time,
starting with #4. Then measure the volts through the plug - meter shows
13.8 volts. Then #3, #2, #1 - each shows 13.8 volts between plug and
earth.

But when the last plug in the circuit (#1) is connected to earth, (and
the circuit is complete), there is no glow at the plugs.

The indicator lamp is OK. I have tried pretending that the indicator was
working just to see if the plugs warm - they don't. As it's rather cold
here the engine won't start.

The plugs measure OK, do not short to earth when supplied with juice,
and seem to transmit juice to complete the circuit, and yet the circuit
does not work.

Am I missing something here?

HELP!

(Why does one Rover always break down when the other one is in pieces?)

Adrian Redmond

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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:32:51 -0000
Subject: RE: Braking

Its great when the car that nearly drives into the back of you as you slow
down on the gears is driven by men in blue uniforms with strange pointed
heads ;-)

With a diesel you can almost stop just suing the gears, so plod behind is
now wearing new underpants.

Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110

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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:32:53 -0000
Subject: RE: Re Safety/Driving techniques

Local fuzz where I used to live had a variant on that.
Nice quiet V8 Rover, creep up to kids wandering along the middle of the
road, then give it the 'two and blues' and drive under the kids as they go
into orbit.

Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110

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From: gwinston@cisco.com (Graham Winstone)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:55:02 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: Braking

Rob Smith wrote:
> With a diesel you can almost stop just suing the gears, so plod behind is
> now wearing new underpants.

Rob,

The V8 slowed down very nicely using engine braking.  Never had the chance
to try it out on your pointy headed friends though.

- Graham

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From: "Neill Hogarth" <Neill.Hogarth@allgaeu.org>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:27:39 +0100
Subject: fuses

Unbelievable but true!

No one, simply no one around here can supply me with the fuses I 
need for my Land Rover. Everyone has electrical fuses but they are 
all a few millimeters to long.

The last owner has replaced two fuses with silver paper so I 
urgently need the correct fuses.

Please can some one supply me with the name of some one who 
will post a set +spares for a 1986 110.

Thanks.
Neill Hogarth

Nesselwang -
 - in the Bavarian Alps

Neill.Hogarth@allgaeu.org
ICQ 11799898

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From: "George Corner" <George@gacorner.force9.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:21:24 -0000
Subject: Re: Re Safety/Driving techniques

Twenty odd years ago I was tootling along to college on my old man's LE Velo
(Noddy bike, remember). With a following wind 30 was quite easy so for once
I was in nodding distance of the legal limit. Then sirens, lights - Plod
Land Crab in full flight.

"Can I change my Y's before you shred my licence?"

I was still trying to think what law I could break on an LE when the 1800
pulled alongside and my friend, the local police mechanic on a test drive,
wound down the window and shouted.

"That woke you up!"

Land Rover content? Well if you started up the Disco Tdi half a mile away it
would drown out the "put put" of the little LE.

Geo

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From: Marijn van der Himst <marijn@multiweb.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:34:45 +0100
Subject: Re: Safety/loose nut

Limited LR-content!!
 
Must've gotten more then a few braincells working... ;-)

 Anthony wrote (snipped):
:I'm not wishing to start a ''Flame'' war, or have a dig at anyone, but a
:statement to the tune of I will not budge out the way to other vehicles
:because the car is well insured, (ie an accident doesn't effect me!!) is
:typical of the attitude of many of the roads worst drivers. I'm not accusing
:any one, especially on this list, of being a bad driver -

 -I hear you, - allow me to point out  
 that I stated: ..."if I don't feel like it" ...  To clarify this: 
 Traffic is, amongst other things, interaction between people.
 Having "the right of way" does *not* mean -IMHO- one has to take it, no
 matter the consequence. In practice: I will give way, for instance, to
 anyone who appears to be distracted, confused, or just plainly not paying
 attention. On the other hand, if some 'big shot' in his expensive B*W or
 whatever is clearly 'blackmailing' me ("you won't dare damage your el -
 cheapo oldie and I got a better laywer"), he will soon be *really* 
 testing his ABS! This is how I define "feel like it". Being well insured
 does make a difference here  ;)
 Here is how I came to my senses: about 12 years ago, I was cutt off the
 lane I was in, to avoid an accident, had to swing the car into a field
 over a three-inch high kerbside. In anger, got my car in front of the 
 'offender' and forced him to stop. Got out shouting like a lunatic,
 to find a *very* old man behind the steering wheel, shaking and all,
 and (presumably) his son beside him warning me about the heart condition
 of the poor old sod. B*gg*r. I cursed myself after that.
 One could argue the man should not have been driving, but there he was and
 there was the situation.
 Two years back, in Germany, was overtaking another car with about 130km/h.
 Then, suddenly: *big* lights pushing behind me, with acoustic help
 to make sure I got out of the way. Big man in a big Merc. Disappeared
 in no time, probably well over 200km/h. Fifteen minutes later, traffic jam.
 You may guess what the cause of the delay was.
 
 Driving the Land-Rover, or the Volvo, I keep in mind that the car does
 not make me more 'important' then anyone else. Mutual respect is all
 I wish for (granted: a bit difficult encountering a pile of bass speakers
 on four wheels...)

[''The man in a van'' driving a company vehicle,
[  (....), a recipe for disaster.
--No argue here...

[... I'm sure that you've all seen stupid stunts that people have attempted.
--Must admit, in the past, did some of these things on occassion.
  Regret it now, of course. Wrong idea of 'fun'...

[All of us would like to think of ourselves as good, or better than everyone
[else when it comes to driving, but at the end of the day - we're all likely
[to make silly/stupid/huge mistakes when under pressure or rise to the 'bait'
[when you get cut up that once to often.
--Also very very true!

[ (....) The good thing about LR's is that we
[usually know we're going to get there, not quickly but in our own time(...)
--Same goes for (almost) any oldtimer, especially V***o    :)

[Well thats my view, again no offence to any one - person or car manufacturer
--none taken :)

[I can't arque with Frank about the best colour for a LR (.....)
--Nato-green is o.k., so I'm in the clear on that point at least...

Iain wrote:

[I would never be so impolite Marijn.
--Ta!

[(...) The ultimate safety device is attached to your shoulders 
--Yes. And alas, it sometimes failes at the wrong moment...
 In such a case, anyone near should do their utmost to avoid injury,
 this is not a moment of "don't feel like it".

[ (...)What's different when a driver gets behind the wheel?
[This logically moves on to so-called road-rage.  IMO there's no such thing,
[just rude, bad-mannered, aggressive people who happen to be driving at the
[time.
--About the last bit:
 I'll buy the theory that the outer sides of the car often becomes the
 driver's skin, if you get too close, or if this driver is forced to sit
 still at a certain spot, it is expierienced as a threat to the body,
 and here the "danger gene's" are waking up: anger, abuse, and/or worse.

--Pardon me for my limited knowledge of English, tried to be clear!

[Regards,
[Iain
[P.S. It's own-up time.  Our other car's a Volvo!
--Aha!  :)

-Just curious: I'd like to come to Billing (green area), and Beltring,
 (in the Landie ofcourse), ...er, will you still let me in? (grobble mode)

 Cheers
 Marijn.
 I'll own up as well (fasten your belts): my third car is a f*rd escort :~}
 
 This will teach me to keep my trap shut...

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From: Andy <andyb@NOSPAMlrover.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:35:08 +0000
Subject: Re: Extracting the steering relay

In message , Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk> writes
>And what - if anything - should I do with the relay when its out?
>(Maintenance wise?)

If you manage to get the thing out treat yourself to a new one ! I've
rebuilt two, one in the chassis (I couldn't get it out and didn't have
the luxury of cutting tools) and one on a bench (with much assistant
from my SOs father when we put the spring back in). On the third
occasion, when the bushes gave up, I took it out and replaced with a new
unit. It's easier to remove if you pack the hole with grease (Ooo Eer)
or copper slip ;-)

HTH

Andy ( Series IIA & 200Tdi Disco)

http://www.lrover.demon.co.uk. 

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From: "Dave Codrai" <dave@codrai.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:35:19 -0000
Subject: Re: Glow plug blues

Adrian

Have you tried each plug straight across a battery to see if they all
actually glow.

In the past with other electric's I have found that a circuit with no load
tests out OK but as soon as a load is applied the whole circuit ceases to
work, usually traceable, in the end, to a poor connection some where in the
circuit that will conduct electricity for test purposes but fails as soon as
a load is applied.

Happy hunting

Dave

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From: wayne@yorkshire.u-net.com (Wayne Davies)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:58:23 GMT
Subject: Frank has Solido's ear

Saw a new model of the 110 Station Wagon by solido today, good job it's
in Bronze Green, Frank would have played Merry Hell.

-- 

Wayne Davies         Editor of Ex-Military Land Rover Newsletter
  Harrogate             Website info on SAS Pink Panther, Lightweight,
 North Yorks       Shorland, Belgian Minerva & Armoured Land Rovers
01423 526642                      www.yorkshire.u-net.com

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From: "Matthew Reeve & Mel Mauger" <blatchwood@btinternet.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:57:58 -0000
Subject: Re: Glow plug blues

>(Why does one Rover always break down when the other one is in pieces?)
>Adrian Redmond

Pure jealousy, they feel left out when the other rover is getting the
attention :-))
I have a similar effect when I have a work deadline and haven't got time to
go laning or just generally fiddle with the never ending list of jobs on the
rangie. He always gets his own back by developing a leak, or a new noise, or
like last week, the driver's door fell off !!

Matthew
UK, nr Heathrow
1979 2-dr Range Rover 300Tdi

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From: "Tom Murkin" <tom@riverside-repairs.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 01:46:15 -0000
Subject: Trailer warning light

I have an unusual problem with the trailer waring light in my SIII - the one
that flashes with the indicators to show the trailer lights are working.  It
works perfectly, but glows continously regardless of wether the ignition is
on or not.  I don't know how long this has been happening but at first
thought it was my imagination as it's only visible at night.

I have never come accross a problem like this before - the brightness does
not seem to vary regardless of what is switched on, or anything else that
you do.

Any ideas?

Tom
Series III 2.5D

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From: "Tom Murkin" <tom@riverside-repairs.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:41:58 -0000
Subject: Re: Glow plug blues

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From: "Tom Murkin" <tom@riverside-repairs.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:42:12 -0000
Subject: Re: Braking

Having recently passed the Somerset County Council driving assesment, I kept
being told not to use gears to slow down - 'Gears are for going, brakes are
for slowing'.  When I quizzed the instrutor on this, she insisted that
brakes should always be used to slow down, never the gears.

Anyone who lives at the bottom of a long hill (Porlock Hill springs to mind)
would disagree with this, the smell of burning brakes seems to linger for
ages.  Surely this would be a case for using gears to slow down?  Why are
people not told this when they learn to drive?

Tom
Series III 2.5D

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From: "Tim Burt" <tim@muddyweb.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 07:36:30 -0000
Subject: Re: Discovery

>'m looking for a second hand set of side steps for a Discovery.
>Also a centre console- beige.

>'m looking for a second hand set of side steps for a Discovery.
Have a look in the Discovery section of the Parts exchange.  There was a set
of side steps listed there.   (www.muddyweb.co.uk)

Failing that, I may be able to find a set for you.   Any idea of the sort of
money you want to pay.

Cheers,

Tim Burt
www.muddyweb.co.uk

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