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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:51:45 -0000
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Saftey (no ranting)

.>>>>>>> Also compulsory
re-testing following ANY traffic offence.<<<<<

add "before being allowed to drive again" and you have my vote on that one.

Best Cheers

Frank
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     I !__|  [_]|_\___   
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV 
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:16:13 -0000
Subject: Re: Safety etc

>>>>>>On another matter, have we Discovered Franks Irish background ?
LR's must be Green, AND he drinks Jameson's!
(and everyone elses I've heard ;-)  ) <<<<

by gum, I've never thought of that myself, I am, in fact, a direct
descendant of a Viking Warrior (hence the Rovers?) - a berserker in fact
according to my mum when I was an angry child - who dropped into Lancashire
for a bit of rape and pillage and ended up forgetting all about the
pillage.........

of course his brother may have carried on over to Ireland, where I spend as
much time as possible and acquired my taste for the finer liquids in
life........

Best Cheers

Frank
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     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:24:15 -0000
Subject: Re: safety

>>>>It was once said that '... there is no such thing as an accident.' To a
large extent this is true, the only exception being unpredictable
failure of vehicle or human. Why not handle the cause of 'accidents'<<<

anyone see the accident programme on TV a couple of months ago.

It started from the fact that accident statistics per pro have remained the
same over the years (apart from the war years without lights) despite the
continual development of safety in cars.
the best explanation to my mind was that the safer the car the more likely
it was to be driven more dangerously.....
this worked until I thought of the LR which I consider, because of the
chassis (and in my case and others the roll cage) to be one of the safest on
the road....
but then I added the equation that slower, rattly, noisier means a
perception of unsafe compared to a noiseless modern cocoon.....

best bet then, to me, is the change in the Volvo driver in recent years.
This is perceived (rightly or wrongly I cannot say)as one of the safest
vehicles on the road "built like a tank" etc. And at one time it was driven
by the most considerate drivers on the roads.
Today this has changed and a Volvo driver is more likely to cut you up than
years ago.

This is all about perception of course, but I've tried it out on some
friends and they agree.

Best Cheers

Frank
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     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: Steve Reddock <Steve@Reddock.net>
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:15:26 +0000
Subject: Hands on the wheel (was Re: safety (sheep droppings))

Mike wrote:

> If you press the brake with both hands on the steering wheel you 
> reduce your control over the car to a certain extent.  If you then 
> declutch and take one hand off the wheel to change gear while still 
> breaking, you have about 40 to 50 percent reduced control compared to 
> driving at a constant speed with both hands on the wheel. 

>I use hand controls when driving my manual Golf. I've always wondered
>what the 'Advanced Test' people would say about this as to achieve the
>above manoeuvre I use:

My first response to this is "clever dick" :-)

The advanced driving people frown on braking and gear changing at the same
time. You are unsellting the car by braking and also by changing down. A
unsmooth down change may be enough to force a wheel to lock up if done
while braking, and it will certainly disturb the balance of the car.

By the time you have finished braking you should have left enough time to
change down before the bend, etc. Braking and the subsequent changing down
should be done in a straight line.

I'm sure they would allow you some leeway to remove your hand from the
wheel to operate the brake in an advanced test. Certainly sounds preferable
to not letting you...

Steve

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From: Gordonkerr@aol.com
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:36:00 EST
Subject: 90 V8 Ignition Switch

Hi all

Anyone help with this one?

While out this afternoon stopped to fill up (an all too regular occurrence
with a V8!) and when I got back in and turned the ignition - nothing!

A bit of fiddling showed that the ignition lights and radio were coming on as
usual but when turned to the start position everything went off. A bit more
fiddling and it became obvious that the key was turning too far and switching
it all off and that the spring return to the normal position wasn't working.

If I switch on and turn the key gently to the right position the starter
functions and one the engine fires I have to turn the key back or the starter
just carries on running.

So the question is has anyone experienced anything similar and if so is there
any easy solution or is it a case of a new ignition switch and all that
replacing that entails (quite a job if Mr Haynes is anything to go by).

Gordon
98 Disco Tdi Safari - 87 90 V8 CSW
Bedford

PS to Frank - any news on the manual? - looks like I might be needing it!!!

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From: "Neill Hogarth" <Neill.Hogarth@allgaeu.org>
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 18:44:46 +0100
Subject: Parts List

I am looking at buying a parts list for my 1986 110. In the 
catalogues there are two, one up to Aug 86 and one from 87. My 
LR was first registered in Oct 86 (in Switzerland).

Does any one know how I can tell which list I need? There must 
have been some major change to warrant the new list but what?

The learning curve when you buy your first LR is worse than 
starting a new job. Thank God that there is this list

Neill Hogarth
Bright Orange 110 Station Wagon
OAL LR 32

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From: Gordonkerr@aol.com
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 15:29:39 EST
Subject: Re: Parts List

Neil

In a message dated 21/02/99 17:50:25 GMT Standard Time,
Neill.Hogarth@allgaeu.org writes:

> Does any one know how I can tell which list I need? There must 
>  have been some major change to warrant the new list but what?

I think you'll find that the change was all part of the changes which included
the turbo diesel being introduced in place of the n/a one. If I'm right it was
also the time at which the front door handles changed from being the series
III type lever to the later push button ones. This should help you decide
(provided you have a diesel and it is the same type as  fitted as when the
vehicle was built and/or the doors haven't been changed!)

Someone else might be able to come up with the appropriate VIN nos.

Of course I could be completely wrong......

HTH

Gordon
98 Disco Tdi Safari - 87 V8 CSW
Bedford

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@offroading.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:32:36 -0000
Subject: Love!

Sigh,

Call me a techno junkie if you will, but I went to our local Land Rover
dealer to buy a hub gasket for the SIII and saw the new £43000 Range
Rover....will be test driving soon and knowing me will shortly be chopping
the Explorer for one....I knew I shouldn't have had a look.....it was the
same with Explorer....went to buy a new Scorpio and came out with the
Explorer!

OF course going to buy a 20p gasket and commiting to a £43000 vehivle is a
bit sifferent form chopping £23000 worth of car for £29000!!!!

Neil

SIII 109"

Neil

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From: gwinston@cisco.com (Graham Winstone)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:28:48 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: Love!

# Neil Brownlee wrote:
# 
# Sigh,
# 
# Call me a techno junkie if you will, but I went to our local Land Rover
# dealer to buy a hub gasket for the SIII and saw the new £43000 Range
# Rover....will be test driving soon and knowing me will shortly be chopping
# the Explorer for one....I knew I shouldn't have had a look.....it was the
# same with Explorer....went to buy a new Scorpio and came out with the
# Explorer!
# 
# OF course going to buy a 20p gasket and commiting to a £43000 vehivle is a
# bit sifferent form chopping £23000 worth of car for £29000!!!!
# 
# Neil
# 
# SIII 109"
# 
# Neil
# 

Neil,

The 109 is your saving grace, but I feel I must ask (for the sake of the list)
what is so so good about the new range rover that we must all have one ???
I wont even bother with remarks on a F**d.

- Graham

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:43:38 -0000
Subject: Re: GPS suppliers

>>>>>No but not ALL our customers were on the sea, we started doing
agricultural
stuff....<<<<<

ah, of course, Sea Horses :-)>

Best Cheers

Frank
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     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:50:57 -0000
Subject: Re: Billing '99

>>>>>>So - to repeat- how many of us will make it. I know that I have to (to
=
pay Frank his due in beers (if the mention appears)).<<<<

I've decided not to go this year. There's this advert in the newspaper for a
coach tour and weekend organised by 'Knitting Monthly'. Land Rovers I can
see anywhere, beer I candrink anywhere. But to eventually solve that "knit
one pearl one" is a no-miss.

Best Cheers

Frank
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     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "John McMaster" <john@chiaroscuro.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:55:13 -0000
Subject: RE: Parts List

> I am looking at buying a parts list for my 1986 110. In the
> catalogues there are two, one up to Aug 86 and one from 87. My
> LR was first registered in Oct 86 (in Switzerland).

Probably two things at least to look for, is the gearbox crossmember square
or tubular; are the cappings galvanised or not? An earlier beast had square
crossmember and galvanising, later ones did not. Although in a LR
environment any mixture is possible......

john

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:50:45 -0000
Subject: Re: 90 V8 Ignition Switch

If I switch on and turn the key gently to the right position the starter
functions and one the engine fires I have to turn the key back or the
starter
just carries on running.

So the question is has anyone experienced anything similar and if so is
there
any easy solution or is it a case of a new ignition switch and all that
replacing that entails (quite a job if Mr Haynes is anything to go by).<<<<<

been there done that got the tshirt. Had the problem for more than six
months, you learn very quickly to compensate. putting a new un in is easier
than Mr Haynes says it is.

>>>>>PS to Frank - any news on the manual? - looks like I might be needing
it!!!<<<<<

sorry sorry sorry,  got something inthe post weighed (guess) half as much
and cost 5UKP... so got scared.
Will send it tomorrow but don't blame me if the postage makes you
sweat........:-(

Best Cheers

Frank
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     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:05:05 -0000
Subject: Re: Frank has Solido's ear

.>>>>>>>Saw a new model of the 110 Station Wagon by solido today, good job
it's
in Bronze Green, Frank would have played Merry Hell.<<<<<
 you humn it son, I'll play it... :-)>

anyway, this model, where where where

Best Cheers

Frank
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     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:14:41 -0000
Subject: Re: Safety/loose nut

>>>>>>>>Driving the Land-Rover, or the Volvo, I keep in mind that the car
does not make me more 'important' then anyone else. Mutual respect is all I
wish for (granted: a bit difficult encountering a pile of bass speakers on
four wheels...)<<<<<<<

very well put
I too try to bear in mind that the 'other' driver may be confused, lost or,
genuinely in a hurry for something truly important.
However, I commute twice a day, there is a fair bit of lane changing (on
motorway slip roads etc) involved and this does lead to a lot of bullying
and downright dangerous driving from people attempting to accrue an
advantage (that often disapears at the next jam or set of lights). These
people, if I am able, I WILL NOT allow to get away with it. My theory being
that if those who are able (ie big dirty beaten up Land Rover) 'punish'
them, maybe they'll not try it later on a confused person and cause an
accident.
However, rather than drive dangerously myself I will ALWAYS back off.
BTW my other comments on Volvo drivers becoming dangerous these days was not
specific, but in general it is true. I do not believe - or like not to
believe - that anyone with enough in their head to enter this pub would
deliberately do anything anti-social, whether on the road or anywhere else.

>>>>>Just curious: I'd like to come to Billing (green area), and Beltring,
(in the Landie ofcourse), ...er, will you still let me in? (grobble
mode),,,,

of course, you're family.

Best Cheers

Frank
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     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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