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From: Andrew Baker <Andrew_Baker@mitel.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:09:54 -0000
Subject: RE: Trailer warning light/Instrument panel wiring

> How difficult is it to rewire just the instrument panel on a
> series 3?  

Easy, I re-wired the whole of my S3, but then I work in electronics. I
hate anything to do with the bodywork.

Andrew

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From: "Peter Estibeiro" <petere@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:15:22 +0000
Subject: Re: Bad drivers

> there's the argument that NOBODY falls asleep driving a Series
> motor........
I don't agree.  The only time I've ever fallen asleep driving was in 
a series III.  Its warm, comfortable, and I find the sound of a 2.25 
diesel very soporific (or is the fumes).  I was on Skye.  I was 
suppenly woken up by my hands falling into my lap!  I stopped for a 
few minutes kip after that.

Peter.

  
Peter Estibeiro
Membrane Biology Group
Department of Biomedical Science
University of Edinburgh
Edinburgh EH8 9XD
tel: 44 131 6503731
fax: 44 131 6503711
email peter.estibeiro@ed.ac.uk

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:39:25 +0000
Subject: Re: Bad drivers

>diesel very soporific (or is the fumes).  I was on Skye.

And there's the clue.It was the whisky......

Mike Rooth

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@offroading.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:43:20 -0000
Subject: Re: Safety/loose nut

It's not only my Landy that gets this type of 'inconsiderate'
driving.....when I'm in the 109" it's a bit scary when I'm cut up, but the
military paint work usually scares them a bit (I hope!)...once I travelled 5
miles in a 40mph zone, where I'm usually passed by everyone doing 90 (in any
other car), but in the SIII I had a 1/4 mile tail back behind me - on a 2
lane dual carriageway!!! Ha! For the most fun, stick to the speed limits,
and just as the 60 signs come along...floor it! It works best in Explorer
this, but they get SO annoyed at having to do the speed limit, they begin to
overtake you...and realise that there's nothing to pass.......of course it's
always fun when they eventualy catch up with you...because you're still
doing the speed limit......and I love it when they insist on staying on the
wrong road in a desperate attempt to catch you....maybe I'm an aggressive
driver in that respect?

Also, I have noticed that car drivers assume anything bigger than a saloon
can only move sluggishly and will let them out....that is not the case in a
4 litre 200hp Explorer doing the same speed as everyone else in the outside
lane.....going from ..er slightly more than 70 to 50 because a pratt has
decided that 'that big truck can't possibly be going more than 65......' and
pulled out is not fun....and one day may result in a flat MR2!!!

But the most annying thing that happens to me in the 109" and the SUV is
when D*CKHEADS flash me to pull over when I'm being stopped by a poxy micra
in the outside lane! Do they really think I want to do 45 in the outside
lane??? I'll never forget the look on the Nova drivers face that flashed me
out of the way...floored his (puny) engine and nearly rear-ended the little
old lady that was slowing me down.....little b*stard!

And finally on a more humorous note, I was chased around my local estate
(which is a 30) by a Ford Ka (snigger)...this woman was flashing her lights,
sticking her fingers up etc...and I'm just trundling along at 30...must have
looked funny. Of course, she got angry and then she got STUPID. I indicated
right to pull into my road, and the silly cow decided that now was the time
to overtake me - as I was turning! Suffice is to say, a 109" is quite a good
barrier, and I got out...gave her a lecture on safe overtaking (i.e. do you
want to die etc..) and made her cry ... oh dear...realised the rror of her
ways....at least she won;t do it again I hope....her need to speed in a zone
where children play didn't pay off...but I guess it could have been worse
for her...her poxy Ka wouldv'e almost gone under me!

And just to start a flame war.....IT IS ALWAYS WOMEN IN SPORT CARS THAT
TAILGATE!!!!! Reps are more intelligent..and won't tailgate a
109"!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe they know about LR's!!!

Neil

SIII 109" - The Rancor (the families favourite vehicle - can't keep the kids
off it!)
F*ord Exploder - (the families preferred long distance hauler!)

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From: "Joost Kramer" <jkramer@best.ms.philips.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:45:24 +0100
Subject: Re: 1998 LROI tyre test

>I have Trac Edges, with about 12k on them, So far so good.
>235/85 x 16 's

What rim size do you have?

>They are good, I have no complaints.

And off road, I mean serious off road? Still good?

Joost

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From: Patrick Colbeck <pat.colbeck@esc.azlan.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:57:39 +0000
Subject: Strange Screeching Noise

Hi

My 84 Range Rover has just started to occasionally make a weird screeching
noise. It has happened about four times always when I am making a sharp turn
for example turning left at a set of traffic lights.

It sounds a bit like the noise that a fan belt makes when its loose and it
slips in the rain, or a clutch on its way out. This is an automatic by the
way.

Any ideas ?

Pat

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From: "Niel J. P. Fagan" <NF@orc.soton.ac.uk>
Date:          Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:10:29 GMT
Subject:       Lack of e-mail/digests in Uni's.

JANET and SUPER-JANET links to the state's were out or very unstable 
for a period from Thursday, our computor services (SUCS) and the rest 
of the acc. net are still working on it so I hear.

>Rgds Niel

Views expressed are personal and not those of the 
University, unless otherwise & expressly stated.

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:25:21 +0100
Subject: How many can a SIII 109 seat?

I have a cyrptic question regarding the seating capacity of a 109.

Here in denmark there are special rules regarding import duty and
registration terms for vehicles. We have white number plates and yellow
number plates. Generally speaking vehicles with yellow number plates are
intended for business use (though private persons may have them) - the
road tax is cheaper than white plates, but there must only be seats in
the front. Many saloon cars - including range rovers, are registered as
yellow plate vehicles, with only seats in the front, to avoid the
exhorbitant imort duties and road taxes imposed on white plate vehicles.

White plate vehicles are the "normal" car - seats in the back - higher
road tax, exhorbitant import duty, more frequent MOT inspections - and
for 4WD vehicles even higher import duties. This is why we see so few
campers (RV's) here in Denmark.

There are some exceptions to this rule, the so called M2 status, which
allows business use of a yellow plate vehicle with what could be termed
"white plate priviledges" - handicap busses, circus canteen busses,
busses for travelling thespians and musicians - and location vehicles
for film and tv crews (thats us).

Not any vehicle can be classified as M2 status - it must be a vehicle
which under normal circumstances may be registered as a bus with at
least 10 seats. (This prevents to many wannabes using this exception to
get a range rover on the road for under a million kroner). Having
complied with this requirement, the M2 status allows the vehicle to be
modified (remove seats) so that it can be driven on an ordinary driving
license (instead of a PSV or bus license). But the criteria for M2
registration is apparently the number of seats.

I am considering re-registering my 109 as M2 status, as our company's
VWLT bus which has M2 status is useless in snow, mud and off road
conditions. This is a standard 3 door pickup/hardtop with windows
green-tub-on-the-back stock 109 and not a station wagon (That conversion
is not something I want to do right now - maybe another year). I do not
have bench seats in the rear but can easily fit them if needed to get M2
status.

So is there anyone out there with a 109 like mine, but with bench seats
in the back, who can tell me how many persons (adults - not boy scouts
wedged in to fill) can sit in the back.

If my memory serves me right, an 88 can seat 3 in the front and 4 in the
back (7 in all) and a 109 can sieat 3 in the front and 8 in the back (11
in all) - is this correct.

We are not talking about what is comfortable, or what offers comparable
safety to a Volvo, just what the "standard" is. We merely need to exceed
the three in the front threshold so that, once in a while, we can have a
couple or three persons in the back.

Doies anyone have one of those nifty Land Rover catalogues which shows
the seating configuration in question and which indicates the number os
seat places? Maybe you could fax/scan/e-mail this to me?

Thanks!

Adrian Redmond

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From: "Paul Field" <PHYPAF.phy.hw@phyfsa.phy.hw.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:37:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Strange Screeching Noise

> My 84 Range Rover has just started to occasionally make a weird screeching
> noise. It has happened about four times always when I am making a sharp turn
> for example turning left at a set of traffic lights.
> It sounds a bit like the noise that a fan belt makes when its loose and it
> slips in the rain, or a clutch on its way out. This is an automatic by the
> way.

Sound like the kind of thing a Cavalier of mine used to do, the belt 
going to the power steering pump was a bit loose.  When on full 
lock the extra strain exerted on the belt by the pump caused it to 
slip. (I assume an 84 Range Rover has Power Steering, don't know 
to much about them)

Paul

SIII 88" 1980, RMS 412W

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From: "Tim Burt" <tim@muddyweb.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:40:54 -0000
Subject: Re: Strange Screeching Noise

Could be the Alternator / Power Steering belt.   As you turn the steering to
a lock, the power steering pump has to work harder.

Just a thought.

Cheers,

Tim Burt
www.muddyweb.co.uk

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From: Patrick Colbeck <pat.colbeck@esc.azlan.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:01:23 +0000
Subject: Re: Strange Screeching Noise

This sounds likely as I just had the timing done at a garage after
completely buggering it up myself (it wasnt the timing it was the coil
breaking down even though it was only 3 months old, Joe Lucas at his best
... got a nice second hand Bosch one now). The main stay for the alternator
obscures the distributor so they may have loosened it when they sorted out
the timing.

Thanks for the advice.

Pat

On Tue Feb 23, 1999 at 11:40:54AM -0000, Tim Burt wrote:

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:03:49 +0000
Subject: Re: Safety/loose nut

There is another aspect to this subject.How many of you find that
increasingly,you have to drive for other people? For instance,granny
has stopped in her Escort on a busy road.*You* can see it,but you
also know that because of your size,the bloke behind (particularly
if he's too close as is usually the case) cant.So you have to
indicate very early and pull out,so he can see the obstruction in
time.
Similarly on roundabouts,there's always one whose journey is more
important than anyone elses,so I find myself having to decide whether
to let him through,or whether by doing so I'm putting someone elses
life at risk.Patronising? Maybe,but one does what one can.
Actually,roundabouts piss me off.This town is the roundabout capital
of the universe.Dotty on them it is.So what you get is this.Motor in
front appoaches the roundabout with his right hand flasher going.
Goes *round* it with his RH flasher going.Then cancels the indicator
and shoots *off* the thing without any indicator at all! Or there's
the other bloke who never read the Owners Handbook (apart from finding
where the stereo controls are) and doesnt realise he's *got* directional
indicators at all.Personally (and bugger what the instructors may or
may not say) I dont see the point in indicating right at traffic islands.
After all,you'd look pretty silly going round them the other way.And I'm
certain that a flashing light that suddenly appears where no flashing
light was before,will grab the attention a lot faster than one that
just changes position.After all,you come to a right angled bend in
the road,you dont indicate for it,do you?
This also happened to me,twice.Busy ring road.Fire engine approaches,
needing to come down the middle of the road.Yours Truly pulls over,
to give him room,and stops.Bloke behind stops,too.Then pulls out
to *overtake*.He gets a blast of horn from YT,and the full son et
lumiere from the fire engine.And I hope he s**t himself.

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@offroading.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:16:53 -0000
Subject: Re: How many can a SIII 109 seat?

Adrian,

My SIII is Ex-MOD and has a handy little sticker which states a maximum
capacity of 10 in the 109" - 2 in the front and 8 in the back. Is this what
you wanted to know?! I guess 3 in the front might be possible, but mine
states no - even though there is a seat with a lap belt!

Neil

SIII 109"

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From: Andrew Baker <Andrew_Baker@mitel.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:19:05 -0000
Subject: RE: How many can a SIII 109 seat?

> From: 	Adrian Redmond[SMTP:channel6@post2.tele.dk]
> So is there anyone out there with a 109 like mine, but with bench
> seats
> in the back, who can tell me how many persons (adults - not boy scouts
> wedged in to fill) can sit in the back.

My 109 has rear bench seats and is insured for 9 people, 3 up front and
6 in the back on side facing bench seats. I haven't seen any 4 seater
bench seats, you certainly couldn't get 4 adults on the 3 seaters.

Andrew B

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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=F8hlers=2C_Bent?= <Bent.Boehlers@WANG.COM>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:33:14 +0100
Subject: RE: How many can a SIII 109 seat?

Hello Adrian!

There is one thing more to think of, if ti originaly existed in a
3+(2*4)version, it must also have been certified for sale in Denmark. Ore
You have to contact the authorities to get it certified as a one-off
construction. Also remember that at the same time, if You want to go south
to Deutchland, You have to change the odometer with one of these with a
speedwriter inside. For Deutchland You also have to get a white and blue
certificat. See the table in danish on the eastern Sealand DLRK page.

happy rovering

Bent Boehlers

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From: Dave Ladell <ladell@proasisn.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:31:02 +0000
Subject: RE: How many can a SIII 109 seat?

Andrew Baker wrote;
>My 109 has rear bench seats and is insured for 9 people, 3 up front and
>6 in the back on side facing bench seats. I haven't seen any 4 seater
>bench seats, you certainly couldn't get 4 adults on the 3 seaters.

AFAIK one of the original specs for a 109 was 11 seats, 3 in the front and
two 2 seat bench seats on each side in the rear.  Land Rover or LROi (or
anyone else doing old publicity stuff) might have brochures showing this.

Of course I might be wrong.....

Dave Ladell  
'75 Lightweight 2.5TD 
nr. Buxton, Derbyshire, UK

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From: Orlando_Scott-Cowley@watsonwyatt.co.uk
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:38:24 +0000
Subject: Re[2]: How many can a SIII 109 seat?

I've managed to get soldiers into a 110, with weapons and kit. So for a 109 I'd 
say 19.78.

Just a guess though.

Orlando
93 Disco, usually just me.

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From: Simon Minshall <simon@cinesite.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:06:37 +0000
Subject: LR Rear doors

It's time to replace the rear door on the 1986 2.5TD LR 90. 

The bottom of its frame is completely rusted through in three places and
is being held together by the ally panelling alone. 

They tell me it's a familiar story. The weak design is stressed beyond
its limit by the extra weight of the spare wheel. Apparently the
standard doors last only a few years under normal use.

I've only had the 90 for less than a year and enjoy driving it. It's a
great machine. But parts of it are flawed. I know, I know, it's a land
rover I shouldn't complain. These flaws, err, features, are all part of
the experience. But an expensive door should, IMO, last longer than a
few years on an otherwise tough vehicle.

There is room for improving the original design. Has anyone on the list
actually done this? 

Crumbly yours, 

Simon

-- 
Simon Minshall                              
Imaging Systems Engineer                    9 Carlisle Street
Cinesite Digital Studios                    London    W1V 5RG
http://www.cinesite.co.uk                   tel:0171-973-4000
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=F8hlers=2C_Bent?= <Bent.Boehlers@WANG.COM>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:22:11 +0100
Subject: RE: How many can a SIII 109 seat?

Hello Adrian!

There is one thing more to think of, if it originaly existed in a
3+(2*4)version, it must also have been certified for sale in Denmark. Or You
have to contact the authorities to get it certified as a one-off
construction. For Deutchland You also have to get a white and blue
certificat, and for all countries. See the table in danish on the eastern
Sealand DLRK page.

happy rovering

Bent Boehlers

> I have a cyrptic question regarding the seating capacity of a 109.
> Here in denmark there are special rules regarding import duty and
> registration terms for vehicles. We have white number plates 
> and yellow
> number plates. Generally speaking vehicles with yellow number 
> plates are
> intended for business use (though private persons may have them) - the
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> needed to get M2
> status.

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From: Robin.Kelland@bacon-woodrow.co.uk
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:58:51 +0000
Subject: Water Pressure

What is the correct PSI rating for the radiator cap on the  2.6l 6 Cylinder
engine?  Mine has a 9psi (or is it 9 bar? its definitely 9 somthings) cap,
and when the engine is a normal temperature, all the water gradually boils
off through the cap, into the expansion container, and onto the floor,
until there is not enough left to keep it cool, then the engine gradually
heats up. I know that the 2.25 engine has a 9 whatever rated cap, as I have
looked at my mates one. This is beginning to get annoying, as I can only
drive for about 30 minutes before too much water is lost, and the engine
starts heating up (from normal temp).

If it is supposed to be 9 whatevers, what else could cause this type of
problem?  I think I am going to take the water pump off to see if the vanes
are OK, and IU have just replaced the thermostat. (Anyone know what rating
this is supposed to have for my engine, as my manual doesn't say, and I
don't trust motor factors when it comes to asking questions about my engine
- they even tried to convience me that I should have a mechanical fuel pump
fitted to it as opposed to an electrical one cos "thats waht the book
says")

Thanks for any help

Robin

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:02:08 +0100
Subject: Re: How many can a SIII 109 seat?

Sorry if my original mail was confusing - I am not asking about the
seating capacity oif a station wagon - I am asking about a stock 109"
SIII - in other words - three in the front and how many on each bench
seat on each side?

Adrian Redmond

          http://www.channel6.dk/native

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From: Anthony Cornell-Hewlett <Tony.Cornell-Hewlett@Bristol.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:38:09 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: 1998 LROI tyre test 'GENERAL GRABBERS AP'

I've got Discovery steel wheels on my  V8 90 with 'General Grabber AP'
fitted.  I haven't had a problem with them whilst green laning and on the road
they are excellant.  However, on occasions I have lost all traction in
situations where the ground is wet and the surface is grass/mud and have had
to be either winched or pulled out.  This seems to  be due to my
inexperience in driving a V8 in low ratio with diff lock on and trying to get
out in too low a gear such as 1st or 2nd thus digging myself in!

Recently, I have pulled a horse trailer that was inbedded in mud by
pulling off in 3rd and although the 90 was in deep slippery mud and slid
a little bit the tyres seemed to fight for grip and I suceeded in
pulling the trailer out.  So it seems that 'General Grabber' are fine
providing the driver is competent.

Actually my wife said this demonstration of the vehicles ability looked
quite impressive as there was a lot of mud and previous efforts by other
part time four wheel drives and man power had failed!  The woman who owned
the trailer and towed it around with an estate car asked my wife as the
landy was pulling the trailer out:  (wait for it)

 'is that a four wheel drive?'

Actually I had impressed myself as I had visions of getting stuck
as I had done in the past, but learnt from my mistakes, just goes to show
get as much off roading experience as possible to get to know your vehicle to 
save
embarrassing situations.  You could have a good tyre but because of lack
of knowledge screw it up.

regards

TONY C-H
1987 V8 90 COUNTY
THE CD DISC WILL BE DANGALING FROM MY REAR VIEW MIRROR AT BILLING 99
MAKES A CHANGE FROM FURRY DICE.........................!

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:22:24 +0100
Subject: Re: LR Rear doors

The best improvement - after rebuilding the door and protecting the
steel from the aluminium, is to add an extra hinge (an extra bottom
hinge) just at the top of the tub before the side of the door tapers in.
This really helps prevent the frame from cracking with the weight of the
tyre.
-- 
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From: "Peter BRADLEY" <pbrad@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:20:51 -0000
Subject: Re: LR Rear doors

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/pbrad/ibex.htm

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From: Simon Minshall <simon@cinesite.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:45:59 +0000
Subject: Re: LR Rear doors

Adrian Redmond wrote:
> The best improvement - after rebuilding the door and protecting the
> steel from the aluminium, is to add an extra hinge (an extra bottom
> hinge) just at the top of the tub before the side of the door tapers in.
> This really helps prevent the frame from cracking with the weight of the
> tyre.

Thanks Adrain, I'm not sure what you mean by "top of the tub". Should
the hinge go between the bottom and middle hinge?

The problem seems to come from the flexing of the door when it's opened
and shut. The weight of the wheel aggrivates the flexing, which leads to
metal fatigue which makes rust form more quickly and causes the whole
thing to fall apart. A fourth hinge may stiffen the side for the door
frame. Another recommendation was to install a riveted aluminium plate
inside the door, again to stiffen the frame.

Simon

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Simon Minshall                              
Imaging Systems Engineer                    9 Carlisle Street
Cinesite Digital Studios                    London    W1V 5RG
http://www.cinesite.co.uk                   tel:0171-973-4000
mailto:simon@cinesite.co.uk                 fax:0171-973-4040

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From: Simon Minshall <simon@cinesite.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:59:01 +0000
Subject: Re: LR Rear doors

> Yes.  It's called a Foers Ibex and there is a website at
> http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/pbrad/ibex.htm
> All the best bits of a LR90 with an aluminium body and *galvanised*
> chassis/spaceframe.

It sounds impressive from the web site. But I'm really after a better
door. Can't afford much else at the moment, gotta pay for a millennium
holiday first ...
Can your guys help with a re-designed door?

Simon
-- 
Simon Minshall                              
Imaging Systems Engineer                    9 Carlisle Street
Cinesite Digital Studios                    London    W1V 5RG
http://www.cinesite.co.uk                   tel:0171-973-4000
mailto:simon@cinesite.co.uk                 fax:0171-973-4040

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From: "Bonorchis, Conrad" <ConradBonorchis@interim.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:56:21 -0000
Subject: RE: Water Pressure

Hi Robin.

How old is that cap? When they get old, or are used on the wrong radiator
(if non-standard radiator) then it releases the water (under pressure)
before the 9 whatever rating. 
The spring in the cap is probably shot. 
Buy a new cap and your problems will probably be gone.....worked for me on
my 2.6 109

Cheers
Conrad

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:06:41 -0000
Subject: Re: Bad drivers

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:10:21 -0000
Subject: Re: Safety/loose nut

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:13:00 -0000
Subject: Re: Trailer warning light/Instrument panel wiring

>> How difficult is it to rewire just the instrument panel on a
>> series 3?

>Easy, I re-wired the whole of my S3, but then I work in electronics. I
>hate anything to do with the bodywork.

Yeah... I know what you mean... I have the whole of my Lt Wt to re-wire...
s'easy!...

Just take a look at my welding on the chassis... it looks like a carbunkle
on a lepers back!

But I am getting better.... (No you're not  - You'll be stone dead in a
minute - aka monty python!)

 Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:19:42 -0000
Subject: Re: 1998 LROI tyre test

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From: "Bonorchis, Conrad" <ConradBonorchis@interim.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:24:35 -0000
Subject: RE: Safety/loose nut

Hmmmm......LandRover South Africa decided to put BMW 2.8i (M5) motors into
their Defenders, that lifted a few eyebrows when this bulky, big landy
out-accelerates most cars....0-100km/h  (0-60mph) in 9 seconds.
It is governed to do 160 km/h (100mph), and at that speed it is scary for
the driver, let alone the idiots who pull out in front of it.....my friend
that owned this D90 2.8I finally sold it as he was too afraid to drive it,
also owns a BMW M3 and always drives it fast so he was no stranger to
speed......His previous landy was a Series 3 with a Ford 3.0 V6
transplant......he seized the gearbox into second about 2 weeks after the
transplant...

Fast Landys are bad for the heart.....

Cheers
Conrad

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:28:59 -0000
Subject: Re: LR Rear doors

Cant you get some door repair sections and weld it all up?...

I did see some doors in LRoi for 80 ukp with a heated glass, and about 50
with no glass, you could use your glass and locks etc..

I just keep welding mine up, I have had about 10 cracks appear in the last 3
years, mainly cos of the spare wheel.

After a while the welder costs turn into a profit!...
Chassis plating, garage repairs, fixing the push bikes, building the Car
port...

Yep Mines earned its keep.

Or you could fit one of those swing out spare wheel carriers... (or make one
with the welder....Hmmm..... Thinks.....)

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:32:25 -0000
Subject: Re: Water Pressure

Try a new cap, and flush out the radiator.
I think the ratings are 9 or 11 psi certainly not 9 BAR.

Are you boiling up cos of some other reason?... Is the head gasket OK?..
Is the rad clean, is the block blocked?..
I would remove the bottom hose and flush the rad very thouroughly...

Over what period does it boil off... ie a full rad dissapears in how long?..

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:34:54 -0000
Subject: Re: LR Rear doors

.>The best improvement - after rebuilding the door and protecting the
.>steel from the aluminium, is to add an extra hinge (an extra bottom
.>hinge) just at the top of the tub before the side of the door tapers in.
.>This really helps prevent the frame from cracking with the weight of the
.>tyre.

This is a definate help for those with two hinge doors... I have an '84 110
with 3 hinges and they still crack the door frame.

Just get a welder!...

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:39:34 -0000
Subject: Re: LR Rear doors

If you are reallly stuffed.. then weld some strengthening struts over the
existing frame.

ie reinforce the door you have.

My welder (150 amp SIP) cost me 224 ukp... a door would cost you 50ukp min,
and with all the other jobs done it costs in over time.

You could put off the holiday!!! (might not be that popular though!)

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

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From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:00:08 -0500
Subject: Re: LR Rear doors

Re Simon's plight -
Adding the cost of a new door, and the time to try and reinforce it
adequately, may make it worth while to get an add-on carrier, like the one
from W&H. Very convenient, as it hinges with the door, and is also very
strong. Might cut a few days off the holiday though.
Cheers
Allan 

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From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:42:03 +0000
Subject: Re: LR Rear doors/new welder?

Geoff Wilkin wrote:
> If you are reallly stuffed.. then weld some strengthening struts over the
> existing frame.
> ie reinforce the door you have.
> My welder (150 amp SIP) cost me 224 ukp... a door would cost you 50ukp min,
> and with all the other jobs done it costs in over time.

Have we had a new welder then Geoff??

Mick Forster
1972 109" Series III Safari 2.25 petrol 
1963 88" Series IIa 2.25 petrol
http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~mick/landpics.html

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:58:49 +0100
Subject: Re: LR Rear doors

Something like this (if Major doesn't eat the ASCII)

 roof      |----------------------|
-----------| |------------------| |O top hinge
           | |                  | |
 side      | |                  | |
           | |                  | |
           | |------------------| | 
-join------| ----                 |
           | |  |                 |O new middle hinge (bottom type)
           | ---                  | just below join between tub and top
 tub       |                      |
           |                      |O bottom hinge
-----------|----------------------|
rear x-member

This extra hinge will hold the door frame taut, obviating the flex which
eventually causes the frame to crack - actually the hinge position is
exactly where the crack comes if you don't have a hinge.

Adrian Redmond

          http://www.channel6.dk/native

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:07:30 +0100
Subject: Re: LR Rear doors

I forgot to say, that the easiest way to repair an old door frame (if
you don't replace it) is to find another old door frame and cannibalise
it for the frame profiles which can easily be welded in to replace the
rusty bits on the one you want to save.

Then rust paint twice (or galvanise/metalise), green paint once,cover
the areas where the frame meets the aluminium panels with silicone
mastic, self amalgamating tape or rubber tape (to prevent galvanic
corrosion) - fit the alu. panels (which have been similarly painted) and
paint green once. leave to dry, fit windows and door handles.

The aluminium panels are really easy to make yourself, just cut and
fold. The hardest part is the opening for the door handle - mark the
shape from the old panel, cut the hole 5 mm undersiize, and gently fold
using a ball pein hammer and maybe a little heat (not fierce flame). Use
the ball of the hammer to create the rounded corners. Use a pair of
shears or a sanding disk to trim the folded back edge so that it doesn't
ruin your hands when you open the door. Try this - maybe on a scrap bit
first - it's a lot easier than it looks.

Remember to make rubber gaskets for between the hinges and the aluminium
door panels.

The same process applies to side doors, plus the little bend!

Good luck.
-- 
Adrian Redmond

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:09:23 -0000
Subject: Re: LR Rear doors/new welder?

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From: "Bettster" <bettster@legend.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:36:05 -0000
Subject: Re: LR Rear doors

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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:51:19 -0000
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Saftey (no ranting)

Trouble is in this area, and I am sure many others there is a small, but ver
persistent group of objects that have no license, and indeed have never had
a license, who drive.  To quote the local copper "I like to get hold of the
****** and use them as bumpers on a dodgem".  Didn't think cops were allowed
to use such language to describe such deprived individuals......
Only cure for them is a rather permanent one, preferably without using
someone else as the tool.

Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110

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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:51:32 -0000
Subject: RE: How many can a SIII 109 seat?

Pub runs with a 110 are:
Two in the 'cab'
Four each side in the rear., suing bench seats.
That makes 10.
If you have the normal 'knee groper' in the middle of the front (only for
the use of young ladies in short skirts......)  you get 11.
I think I could get more in, but the tool & rubbish boxes get in the way.
MOT man tried to convince me that mine was actually 13 seats, until I grab
hold of a tool box!

Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110

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From: "Dave Codrai" <dave@codrai.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:58:15 -0000
Subject: Re: How many can a SIII 109 seat?

Adrian
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> I am asking about a stock 109" SIII - in other words - three in the front
and how many on each bench seat on each side?
> I am asking about a stock 109" SIII - in other words - three in the front
109" can have four rear bench seats, each takes two people, so total seating
capacity is eleven.

Someone else mentioned MoD capacity as ten, this is because a front centre
seat occupant secured with lap belt only, managed to head butt main gear
lever in an accident, if I remember correctly it was fatal.

Dave

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From: Manuel Silva <mj.ls@usa.net>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:21:46 +0000
Subject: Re: How many can a SIII 109 seat?

At 15:02 23/02/99 +0100, you wrote:
>Sorry if my original mail was confusing - I am not asking about the
>seating capacity oif a station wagon - I am asking about a stock 109"
>SIII - in other words - three in the front and how many on each bench
>seat on each side?

	Mine has three bench seats in the rear: two in one side and one on the
other (in this side it carries the spare tyre). Each bench seat taker two
persons, so it gives 6 in the rear. In front it takes three, so nine seats
total.

[],

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From: "Tom Murkin" <tom@riverside-repairs.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:34:20 -0000
Subject: Re: Safety/loose nut

>There is another aspect to this subject.How many of you find that
>increasingly,you have to drive for other people? For instance,granny
>has stopped in her Escort on a busy road.*You* can see it,but you
>also know that because of your size,the bloke behind (particularly
>if he's too close as is usually the case) cant.So you have to
>indicate very early and pull out,so he can see the obstruction in
>time.

Seems to happen nearly all the time driving the Land Rover.

>Actually,roundabouts piss me off.This town is the roundabout capital
>of the universe.Dotty on them it is.So what you get is this.Motor in
>front appoaches the roundabout with his right hand flasher going.
>Goes *round* it with his RH flasher going.Then cancels the indicator
>and shoots *off* the thing without any indicator at all! Or there's

Probably spent too long driving in Somerset and forgotten what a roundabout
is!  They seem to like replacing them with Traffic Light junctions here, so
far every single one has resulted in much longer delays and more accidents
than the roundabouts ever caused.

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From: "Tom Murkin" <tom@riverside-repairs.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 00:05:28 -0000
Subject: Re: Instrument panel wiring

>>Easy, I re-wired the whole of my S3, but then I work in electronics.

Unfortunately I dont think I have time to rewire the whole vehicle as it is
my only transport, but I guess I will have to attempt the instrumet panel
sooner rather than later!  Is this likely to end up in a total rewire I
wonder?  I am fairly competent at wiring (wired several canal boats) - it is
just the current mess thats putting me off!

>>I hate anything to do with the bodywork.

Same here.

>Just take a look at my welding on the chassis... it looks like a carbunkle
>on a lepers back!

I'm fairly good at welding, and find it relaxing (unless I'm trying to weld
outside in pooring rain and a force 10 gale, working to a tight deadline)

Thanks

Tom
SIII 2.5D

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From: "Tom Murkin" <tom@riverside-repairs.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 00:03:22 -0000
Subject: Re: Strange Screeching Noise

Happened to me in another car and turned out to be a worn power steering
drive belt - it was tight but was sitting at the bottom of the V on the
pully, not the sides.

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From: "Tom Murkin" <tom@riverside-repairs.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 00:04:56 -0000
Subject: Re: Water Pressure

Are you sure that the water is actally boiling?  I have driven my SIII 2.25
diesel without a radiator cap for months because the cap caused extra
pressure thus more leakage (cracked block) and more difficulty toping up.
It never boiled or over heated on me, but the water level would drop due to
the cracked engine block.

If I were you I would try replacing the cap (easiest thing to do) with a
known good one rated at 9psi  but I suspect that it is somthing else.  The
most likely cause is a blown head gasket or possibly even a cracked cylinder
head or even block, though the gasket is more likely.  This may give the
impresion of boiling as the escaping gasses bubble through the system and
pressurise it.

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From: "Tom Murkin" <tom@riverside-repairs.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 00:04:22 -0000
Subject: Re: How many can a SIII 109 seat?

Adrian,  I have Worked alongside the Exmoor Search and Rescue Team, and they
had a SIII 109 Hard Top that they used as their Ambulance/Control centre.
They had fitted 4 two-person bench seats in the back, 2 each side and had
three in the front.  It is (just) possible to fit 13 people and a large dog
complete with walking gear and rucksacks in it, but not to be recommended!

They have it insured to carry up to 10 passengers (11 including driver).
Unfortunately they now have a NEW 300Tdi 110 County Staion Wagon given to
them by Land Rover and currently won't let you in if you have muddy boots
on!

Cheers,

Tom
SIII 2.5D

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From: Marijn van der Himst <marijn@multiweb.net>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 01:56:47 +0100
Subject: Re: Instrument panel wiring

Tom, you wrote: (snipped)

[[ ...Cured the problem yesterday (...) Ended up accidently braking one of
[[ the wires which went into the flasher unit and this cured the problem!
[[ it brushed on the metal bracket (...) blew a 25A inline fuse, everything
[[ seems to work fine now.

Sorry to say/type, I am somehow not convinced your electrical woes are over...

[[ How difficult is it to rewire just the instrument panel on a series 3?
[[ (...)what are most series 3's like behind the instruments?

Funny you ask that... had to do just that on my FFR, the former owner had
'cured' some probs, resulting in what looked like a mesh of overcooked
spaghetti, including the sauce a la Bolognese! Got a picture of that... :)
I was lucky however, finding a secondhand bundle of wiring, also from a
24V SIII, in reasonable shape. *And*: after a call for help on this list,
several people soon came with the brilliant idea to have the wiring diagrams
scanned and put on website. I downloaded from Richard Marsden's site:

 http://www.cix.co.uk/~rigel/alice.htm  there are also 12V scheme's there.
Richard kindly pointed out some(!) errors in them.

or you could try Ron's Rover Page: (have not checked this one lately)
 http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman/ROVER/Rover.html

Do not know if the correct wiring diagram is there for you, (diesel),
*perhaps someone else can help at this point?*

Once you have this to look at, you need:
-good eyesight
-time (read: lots of patience)
-an understanding wife
-a multimeter
-disconnected batteries ;)
-earplugs to prevent helpful neighbours to let you do silly things
 like looking for a large tree with a rope, or worse, sell the rover... ;)
-the correct amount of white watery stuff that smells nice and tastes better
-......, er, forgot, can the list fill this space?

Apart from some minor things like fuel gauge wiring and such, all is well
with 'The Green Machine', Richard(yes him again) kindly mailed me a spare
genny-panel, the postman has now almost recovered from his injuries ;)

Do not run away screaming once you've opened up the instrument panel,
in time, she'll be right! Play some older Pink Floyd tapes, worked for me.
"Dark side of the moon" springs to mind...
B.t.w. can email you the basic 12V diagram if you like.
Once I get the software for it, will be drawing everything I can find
-for the Series- from scratch and put it on a (my?) website. Later,
when I get a round tuit.

Good Luck,
if you get stuck do not hesitate to let us/me know, off-list if need be.
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