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From: "Steve Mace" <steve@solwise.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:00:11 -0000
Subject: Re: Freelander (LANDROVER SPIRIT OF ADVENTURE)

Reminds me of a story I heard the other day....  
In this area the local health/education authorities have 
started using taxis as pick up vehicles to take 'special' 
kids to school and back. 
One of the taxi drivers who does this was describing 
some of the things this job entails: Firstly the cab will 
carry upto 3 kids and a special minder must sit in the 
back with the kids. The minder carries a toffee hammer 
to break the windows in the event of an accident. Also, 
each time, before they set off the driver has to explain to 
the minder where the ignition key is - this is so in the 
event of the driver suffering a heart attack the minder will 

that these measures are probably a sop to the public 
rather than actually intended to be of any actual use.

On 27 Feb 99, at 11:44, Micky wrote:

> >I've seen special glass breaking hammers in some motoring shops just
> because
> >of this problem.  A very worthwhile investment for such occasions.
> My grandfather kept a small lump hammer in his BMW for just such an event...

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> Micky
> 101 in bits
www: http://www.solwise.co.uk

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:16:22 -0000
Subject: Re: Mike Hammer(ite)

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:18:17 -0000
Subject: Re: Defender 110 CSW

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:00:53 -0000
Subject: Re: 2.25 diesel - non starting woes

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From: "Iain Tennant" <i.r.tennant@dundee.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:01:35 GMT
Subject: Re: intro

Gernot wrote:

> I'll start with a question, I'm thinking of getting a defender, whats the
> engine of choice, keeping in mind that I need a reasonably fast, powerful
> and
> durable engine.

There isn't a great deal of choice really.  Depends where in the 
world you are and if you're talking new or second-hand but for 
"reasonably fast" you're probably looking at a V8 or one of the 
intercooled turbo-diesels, i.e. a 200, 300 or TD5.

If you're thinking about spanking-new,  in the uk I think the TD5 is 
the only  standard-fit engine on offer although there are almost 
certainly 300Tdi-engined jobs still on forecourts.  The V8 is still I 
think (at least till recently anyway) an option from Special 
Vehicles.  Various other engines have been fitted elsewhere, for 
example a BMW lump is fitted in S. Africa.

Hope this is of help.

Regards,

Iain

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From: gwinston@cisco.com (Graham Winstone)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:16:15 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: intro

Iain Tennant wrote:
  There isn't a great deal of choice really.  Depends where in the 
  world you are and if you're talking new or second-hand but for 
  "reasonably fast" you're probably looking at a V8 or one of the 
  intercooled turbo-diesels, i.e. a 200, 300 or TD5.

I would never describe the V8 Defender as "reasonably fast".  The
V8 50th I used to have would be fine until it got to around 70mph.
Around country lanes, very nice.  Along the motorway, it was the
worst 4.0 I have ever had.  My old 4.0 Jeep was fantastic on the
motorway and around country lanes.  The only problem I had with
the Jeep was off road the thing would cross axle too easily
(perhaps I'm just too lazy to drive properly, but the 90 never
had any off road problems).

I'm already ducking for the abuse I know I am about to receive
for mentioning the four letter word J word...

- Graham

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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:02:41 +0100
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From: Orlando_Scott-Cowley@watsonwyatt.co.uk
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:36:57 +0000
Subject: Disco Lights. (Not, as in Boogie Woogie)

How do Folks.

I know this has been said before, I don't want to start a huge long thread so 
I've just got a quick question. Well, kinda quick.

Last night driving round the M25 (in the rain) I decided my standard Disco 
headlights are, in a word naff. Full beam is O.K. but dipped just doesn't do the
job. 

As far as I'm aware the bulbs are standard stock bulbs and I don't have any aux.
lights.

Here's the question. Any recommendations as to what to upgrade them to? i.e. 
watts etc... and where I can get them from. 

VMTIA.
Orlando
93 Disco, slightly dim.

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From: Anthony Cornell-Hewlett <Tony.Cornell-Hewlett@Bristol.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:45:12 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: SCARE MONGERING 'PETROL TAX'

Have you heard the latest in the press about the budget:

Petrol to be increased by 0.24p per litre meaning that 84% of the price of
petrol will be the tax element!  God knows what price road tax will be
increased by?

regards

TONY C-H
1987 V8 90 COUNTY

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From: "Baker, Stuart J" <bakersj@bp.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:45:57 -0000 
Subject: Re: Instrument panel wiring

Tom
Just a thought but do you really need to do a complete re-wiring job?  I
remember that when I first looked behind the panel on mine, my reaction was
"heck that's gonna need a complete rewire, what a mess".  As I was doing a
complete rebuild, it didn't bother me to much.  However now that it's
complete, I still have what looks like a bowl of spagbol, it's just that
now, I know what all the wire do, and they are a nice clear colour.
I would say, pull the panel out, make a comprehensive diagram of what wire
goes where, remove them all, then see what you think.  If the wires all
clean up OK (so you can actually see what colour the are) and connections
are in reasonable condition, then you might be save yourself a looming
headache!

Cheers

Stuart
SII Big and Yella

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From: John Strang <john.strang@bbc.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:46:52 -0000 
Subject: Neil's HSE

Neil Wrote

>>As I said in an earlier post, I saw the new 4.6 HSE and wanted one,
budgets
have deemed a 1996 model with 27000 miles on the clock. It is mint. So...it
has to be done. <<
	Congrats, a Very nice machine, 

>>I am a gadget man at heart sorry, <<
	Ditto, but means more expense when (not if) they go wrong.. BTDT :-(

>>I love the Series III to bits, and still love driving her, but the RR has
the edge when you want to
do a 400 mile haul and arrive the same day<<
	Agreed.. No contest..
>>so it is goodbye to the evercapable but sadly supported Explorer....I will
never ever ever ever ever
touch a Ford again. I don;t have any problem with their vehicles....it is
the monkeys that service them. I hate being f*cked over by dealers....long
story, but lets just say..if I had the money..one dealer here would be no
more....kaboooooom!<<
	Again agreed, I have heard many tales of F**d dealers extracting the
urine..
	I considered the exploder for a while, then I woke up and the LSE
won :-)
	(NB the nickname came from the states, where early models apparantly
did!)

>>I needed a new rear hub gasket at the same LR dealership and as it only
cost
17p...they gave me it! Now that's service I like<<
	Some independent suppliers are also like that (but not many).

>>1996 Range Rover 4.6 HSE - code named - 'Silver Machine' (after all I am a
Hawkwind fan<<
	Hey, you're not the only one (I have a copy of them live on the Peel
show
	circa 1973). twas rumoured they also recorded an album (called New
Worlds
	 Fair)  with Michael Morecock (yep, the scifi author) under the name
Deep Fix..
	yeah, I'm not only a rover anorack, but a music one too, I'm also
old enough
	to remember them)..

Regards
Strange John			john.strang@bbc.co.uk
1994 LSE 
1976 SWB series III
1998 Speed III

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From: "Peter Estibeiro" <petere@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:50:45 +0000
Subject: Re: 2.25 diesel - non starting woes

> >Questions - a) What does the flat (ie not hex) screwy bit do on the bottom
> >of the (b/head) fuel filter do? It drips slightly if I hand-prime the lift
> >pump since the first morning - I don't think it leaked before.
> The only screw fitting on the bottom of my fuel filter is a plastic drain
> plug.  Is this what you mean?  If so it is for draining water out and should
> be sealed using an O-ring.  If this leaks badly it may cause the problems
> you discribe, but I would have thought that it would have to leak quite
> badly.
Mine leaked from there for an annoying few weeks and caused all the 
non-starting and bleeding problems that you've been getting.  As 
diesel leaks out air leaks in.  If it drips when you hand prime the 
pump then its pretty bad.  Get a new drain plug and o ring and the 
problem will probably go away
Cheers
Peter.

Peter Estibeiro
Membrane Biology Group
Department of Biomedical Science
University of Edinburgh
Edinburgh EH8 9XD
tel: 44 131 6503731
fax: 44 131 6503711
email peter.estibeiro@ed.ac.uk

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From: John Strang <john.strang@bbc.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:53:24 -0000 
Subject: Scare Mongering/Petrol tax

Hi Guys..

Thats (Hopefully) the usual govt tactic, release predicted massive
price rises, then no-one complains when you ONLY put it up by 6p..

I think (hope) the same will be true of the predicted rise in Road Fund
duty..

Regards..

Strange John			john.strang@bbc.co.uk
1994 LSE 
1976 SWB series III
1998 Speed III

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From: Simon Minshall <simon@cinesite.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 11:19:44 +0000
Subject: Rear Door/wheel

I still need a new rear door for the 90. The best price I've been quoted
so far to 80 pounds for a new pattern part. As before, I'm concerned
about it's lifespan. Corrosion will soon weaken the bottom of the frame
the the weight of the spare wheel will break it, though not necessarily
in that order. 

Allan Smith suggested getting a wheel carrier. Adrian said to get it
galvanised. I like these ideas the best. Getting a welder and making it
out of sheet metal, I would probably enjoy but as I have no workspace to
speak of, it's an impractical solution. 

Before I go and spend yet again, I'd like to dig a little deeper into
the door flexing problem. 

There is a wheel carrier available from Mantec. It mounts onto the rear
body at three points: two hinged joints near the rear door's hinges and
a sliding joint attached to the door.

The top hinge attaches to the steel rail on the body's mid section, the
bottom hinge bolts to the bumper, and the sliding joint allows the door
to open and close normally. With this setup, the vertical and the
side-to-side momentum of the wheel will be transferred to the
body/chassis by the wheel carrier but the front/back momentum will be
absorbed by the door frame.

So my question is, in practice what causes the door to flex? Is the most
damage caused when the door/wheel is slammed shut, or caught open by the
wind? Or does the damage occur from the forces of bumpy driving. It
makes a difference in terms of the wheel carrier's usefullness. Such a
carrier will be of no use if the door will be damaged from being used,
but it will be a real solution if the door gets damaged from driving.

Any thoughts?

Simon

-- 
Simon Minshall                              
Imaging Systems Engineer                    9 Carlisle Street
Cinesite Digital Studios                    London    W1V 5RG
http://www.cinesite.co.uk                   tel:0171-973-4000
mailto:simon@cinesite.co.uk                 fax:0171-973-4040

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From: "Steve Mace" <steve@solwise.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:33:04 -0000
Subject: Re: SCARE MONGERING 'PETROL TAX'

I assume you mean 24p not 0.24p..... 

On 1 Mar 99, at 10:45, Anthony Cornell-Hewlett wrote:

> Have you heard the latest in the press about the budget:
> Petrol to be increased by 0.24p per litre meaning that 84% of the price of
> petrol will be the tax element!  God knows what price road tax will be
> increased by?
> regards
> TONY C-H

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> TONY C-H
> 1987 V8 90 COUNTY
www: http://www.solwise.co.uk

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From: "Iain Tennant" <i.r.tennant@dundee.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:27:35 GMT
Subject: Re: intro

Graham wrote:..
> I would never describe the V8 Defender as "reasonably fast".  The
> V8 50th I used to have would be fine until it got to around 70mph.

It achieves the uk speed limit then?

In fact I had the 3.5 V8 in mind.   No experience of the 4.0 so can't 
really comment on this except to say it wasn't exactly raved over 
when LROi did a comparative review a few months ago.  Out of choice 
I'd personally go for the diesel but the clatter isn't to everyones 
taste.

Regards,

Iain

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From: "Baker, Stuart J" <bakersj@bp.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:32:51 -0000 
Subject: Re: Instrument panel wiring

Tom
Just a thought but do you really need to do a complete re-wiring job?  I
remember that when I first looked behind the panel on mine, my reaction was
"heck that's gonna need a complete rewire, what a mess".  As I was doing a
complete rebuild, it didn't bother me to much.  However now that it's
complete, I still have what looks like a bowl of spagbol, it's just that
now, I know what all the wire do, and they are a nice clear colour.
I would say, pull the panel out, make a comprehensive diagram of what wire
goes where, remove them all, then see what you think.  If the wires all
clean up OK (so you can actually see what colour the are) and connections
are in reasonable condition, then you might be save yourself a looming
headache!

Cheers

Stuart
SII Big and Yella

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From: gwinston@cisco.com (Graham Winstone)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:39:27 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: intro

Iain Tennant wrote:
  Graham wrote:..
  > I would never describe the V8 Defender as "reasonably fast".  The
  > V8 50th I used to have would be fine until it got to around 70mph.
  It achieves the uk speed limit then?

On the flat.  But to get it up hills, you had to kick the thing down.
Or if there was a headwind, it could not maintain 70 in 4th, had to
kick down, or drive in 3rd.
  
  In fact I had the 3.5 V8 in mind.   No experience of the 4.0 so can't 
  really comment on this except to say it wasn't exactly raved over 
  when LROi did a comparative review a few months ago.  Out of choice 

I agreed with every comment in the article.  Mine had too many problems to
list here though, and I doubt that anyone on the list is really interested.

  I'd personally go for the diesel but the clatter isn't to everyones 
  taste.

Now, the 90 TD5 does look an interesting beast.  Am I a glutten for
punishment or what ?  Once bitten twice shy ?

- Graham

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From: Simon Minshall <simon@cinesite.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 11:54:38 +0000
Subject: Rear Door/wheel

I still need a new rear door for the 90. The best price I've been quoted
so far to 80 pounds for a new pattern part. As before, I'm concerned
about it's lifespan. Corrosion will soon weaken the bottom of the frame
the the weight of the spare wheel will break it, though not necessarily
in that order.

Allan Smith suggested getting a wheel carrier. Adrian said to get it
galvanised. I like these ideas the best. Getting a welder and making it
out of sheet metal, I would probably enjoy but as I have no workspace to
speak of, it's an impractical solution.

Before I go and spend yet again, I'd like to dig a little deeper into
the door flexing problem.

There is a wheel carrier available from Mantec. It mounts onto the rear
body at three points: two hinged joints near the rear door's hinges and
a sliding joint attached to the door.

The top hinge attaches to the steel rail on the body's mid section, the
bottom hinge bolts to the bumper, and the sliding joint allows the door
to open and close normally. With this setup, the vertical and the
side-to-side momentum of the wheel will be transferred to the
body/chassis by the wheel carrier but the front/back momentum will be
absorbed by the door frame.

So my question is, in practice what causes the door to flex? Is the most
damage caused when the door/wheel is slammed shut, or caught open by the
wind? Or does the damage occur from the forces of bumpy driving. It
makes a difference in terms of the wheel carrier's usefullness. Such a
carrier will be of no use if the door will be damaged from being used,
but it will be a real solution if the door gets damaged from driving.

Any thoughts?

Simon

 --
Simon Minshall
Imaging Systems Engineer                    9 Carlisle Street
Cinesite Digital Studios                    London    W1V 5RG
http://www.cinesite.co.uk                   tel:0171-973-4000
mailto:simon@cinesite.co.uk                 fax:0171-973-4040

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From: "Iain Tennant" <i.r.tennant@dundee.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:26:20 GMT
Subject: Re: intro

> list here though, and I doubt that anyone on the list is really interested.

Not true.  In my experience members of this list are interested in 
all matters LR.  You never know, constructive critical comment may 
even result in improvements.  (You ARE listening in aren't you LR?)

> Now, the 90 TD5 does look an interesting beast.  Am I a glutten for
> punishment or what ?  Once bitten twice shy ?

If you've driven a 200 or 300 Defender I don't think you'd be 
disappointed.    Had a drive in a TD5 90 a couple weeks ago and there 
seemed very little difference to the 300 apart  from a bit more 
power.   Only time will tell as to reliability or durability.

Regards,

Iain

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 13:34:15 +0100
Subject: Re: Mike Hammer(ite)

We're talking black gloss enamel hammerite

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 13:36:31 +0100
Subject: D90/110 engine choice (was: intro)

The new TD5 (if my info is right) is an electronic/computer controlled
jobbie - putting an end to the Sunday afternoon tweaking of us
enthusiasts - that's why i will buy a 110 CSW with  the 300 Tdi if I go
that route.

Adrian Redmond

          http://www.channel6.dk/native

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From: "Iain Tennant" <i.r.tennant@dundee.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:37:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Freelander (LANDROVER SPIRIT OF ADVENTURE)

In response to Tom Murkin's comments:....
>   A friend of mine had a lucky escape a few years back when the car he was
>   driving ended up in a ditch with the water half way up the windows.  The

Graham wrote:... 
> I've seen special glass breaking hammers in some motoring shops just because
> of this problem.  A very worthwhile investment for such occasions.

Yes, a good idea, in fact we have one fitted in the front beside the 
extinguisher.  Got it cheap several years ago but any wee hammer 
will do so no need to fork out on a special.  

As for usefulness... 
In fact the easiest way to get out of most cars if the doors are 
jammed (and you're mobile) is to push out the front screen with your 
feet,  been there... done it!  
Most likely use is to get into a crashed car if you come across an 
accident where the doors are either locked or jammed.   The custom 
made things also have a recessed blade for cutting seat belts.

Regards,

Iain

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From: gwinston@cisco.com (Graham Winstone)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:39:50 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: D90/110 engine choice (was: intro)

Adrian Redmond wrote:
  The new TD5 (if my info is right) is an electronic/computer controlled
  jobbie - putting an end to the Sunday afternoon tweaking of us
  enthusiasts - that's why i will buy a 110 CSW with  the 300 Tdi if I go
  that route.

I don't know.  How long before someone makes a gadget to allow you to
connect your PC to your car to have a play tweaking it without getting
your hands dirty.  Food for thought.

- Graham

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From: "Iain Tennant" <i.r.tennant@dundee.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:56:13 GMT
Subject: Re: D90/110 engine choice (was: intro)

Adrian wrote:..
> The new TD5 (if my info is right) is an electronic/computer controlled
> jobbie - putting an end to the Sunday afternoon tweaking of us
> enthusiasts - that's why i will buy a 110 CSW with  the 300 Tdi if I go
> that route.

 
Is the TD5 engine management system any more complex than that of the 
300?  Surely both rely mainly on a single ECU and if this is the case 
(I don't know) then what's the problem with a new Defender over the 
old.  All the other electronic gizmos (ABS etc)  are optional.

Regards,

Iain

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 15:10:49 +0100
Subject: Re: D90/110 engine choice (was: intro)

AFAIK the 300TDi is almost completelty "manual" the only electronics of
which i am aware is the EGR or whatever it's called. But please correct
me if I am wrong...

Adrian Redmond

          http://www.channel6.dk/native

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:23:07 -0000
Subject: Oil

Hi Chaps...

Its oil change time for me... and I notice, that like Old mother Hubbards
cupboard... my nice 25 Litre drum of CCMC D5 SHPD oil is near empty.

Land Rover SHPD (Super High Performance Diesel) id 19 UKP + VAT per 5
litres... OUCH   :-((

I was using Unipart GUL 8035 SHPD oil, and so far so good. Except that dont
make it any more  and the replacement isnt CCMC D5 spec.

So... What are all you Diesel Demons out there using?...
I was considering Castrol Turbomax, but thats Not CCMC D5, but does say its
SHPD.

The only CCMC D5 oil I can find is Tetrosil aka Comma, and I am not too
happy about letting that loose in my 35k (miles) 200 tdi.
I would prefer a lower spec of a quality oil like Castrol... At least I know
that I wouldnt be too far from wrong.

What do you 200 / 300 Tdi chaps do?... replies on a small postcard, or
alternatively on an Email!..
TIA

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

This note is copyright of Geoff Wilkin and should not be published
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All views expressed are my own and are no-one elses! (or so I am told).

'84 110 CSW - Green & Clean
'73 Lightweight V6 - All in bits

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From: Andrew Baker <Andrew_Baker@mitel.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:28:06 -0000
Subject: RE: Oil

> From: 	Geoff Wilkin[SMTP:geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com]
> So... What are all you Diesel Demons out there using?...
> I was considering Castrol Turbomax, but thats Not CCMC D5, but does
> say its
> SHPD.

	Whatever is on offer at the local accessories place. My 109
changes it's own oil so I've never bothered with the expensive stuff.

	Andrew B
	109 2.25D

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:39:32 -0000
Subject: Re: Cable markings

. I use 7 core trailer cable, and
.>re-run this from the bulkhead just beside the heater coil, all the way
.>through the chassis, and up into the right hand light compartment.
.>Similar cables run from the RH compartment to the LH and from the RH
.>compartment to the trailer socket. All cables are marked to indicate
.>where they go(come from) like - TO FRONT / TO TRAILER SOCKET / TO RH
.>LIGHTS. Each wire is marked with its function. I use insulated crimp
.>connectors (size BLUE) as these fit quite wel into LR torpedo connectors
.>for doubling up.

Hmmm good Idea.. I will follow suit when I rewire the LtWt.
I was going to plug it at the rear tub, so I could get the tub off easily
without messing about t with the wiring.

I wont go thru the chassis, I had a load of probs when I did my 110 rear X
member. They are now all soldered and sealed in self amalgamating tape, been
OK for 3 years.

I will still solder on the crimped terminals.
Crimping is best if you have the proper crimpers, ie you get a really tight
crimp where water cant get in etc.
So I crimp and solder over to maintain the contact, then it wont corrode
inside the crimp. Then I protect it with SA tape.
That usually sorts it.

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:48:30 +0000
Subject: RE: Oil

 Whatever is on offer at the local accessories place. My 109
>changes it's own oil so I've never bothered with the expensive stuff.

So does my 88,but I occasionally give it a birthday.Mainly I use
B&Q 20-50,unless I can bestir myself to go and get Miller's 20-50.
OTOH,Andrew he *has* got one of those shiny Tdi thingys.So perhaps
he's a shade more picky than us agricultural types....:-)

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Ian Stuart <ian.stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 15:58:17 +0000
Subject: Re: hi-list goes up, not down

Jan Schokker wrote:
> Going up is no problem, but lowering the load is possible only when I push
> the lower half of the sliding part down bij hand. If I don't do this the
> pegs don't engage in their holes and the handle blocks.
Do they no slide out, or not slide in

(Shades of Viagra again..)

> I have tried to cure this by filing the edges of the holes in the bar, and
> smoothing the sides of the bar with sanding paper, but still no go.
> My parts dealer ordered the jack for me in the UK, but doesn't know much
> about it.
Hmm..

> This is not a very safe way to operate the jack.
And then some ;)

> Sounds familiar? Will it improve over time? If I have to help it going down
> when used vertically, how can I ever use the jack horizontally?
Have you tried putting some light oil on the mechanism?

If it runs dry, it does stick.

-- 
           --==**==--
Ian Stuart - University computing services.
Opinions are funny things:
     Mine are mine and mine alone

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:04:08 -0000
Subject: Funny things on bumpers

Further to our rantings on the blue poles etc... I now see the ones everyone
is talking about, a few more have gone up in the last week or so.

However... I am curious as to these little black things on the front of
busses.
Its a black plastic object about 4" x 1"  by about 2/3" high. They are
always mounted vertically on the bumpers at the front and only on the front.
 Are these the sensor detectors for changing the traffic lights in Bus
Lanes?..

I appreciate that councils are now imposing a "Time Tax" on us motorists to
"encourage" us to use the park and rideschemes. ie putting Bus and cycle
lanes everywhere and producing huge queues of cars (Very environmentally
friendly eh?)

Or are they for dropping the bollards into restricted areas, as I have also
seen one on a Taxi (Cab - not hire car)
I shall now look to see if they are on Fire engines, Police cars and
Ambulances... my curiosity is getting the better of me!

Anyone throw some light on this

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

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From: Andrew Baker <Andrew_Baker@mitel.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:03:37 -0000
Subject: I'm really getting fed up

How do I configure Exchange to use something other than ">" to indicate
reply lines?
I could cut and paste replies to a new msg and use my own choice of char
but that defeats the idea of a reply option.
Andrew B

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From: "Peter Dowson" <Peter.Dowson@softwareag.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:21:21 -0000
Subject: Re: Funny things on bumpers

Geoff Wilkin wrote :-
->
-> snip
->

->However... I am curious as to these little black things on the front of
->busses.
->Its a black plastic object about 4" x 1"  by about 2/3" high. They are
->always mounted vertically on the bumpers at the front and only on the
front.
-> Are these the sensor detectors for changing the traffic lights in Bus
->Lanes?..
->
-> snip

I know that in some areas buses are carrying two cameras which record the
goings on in bus lanes (reviewed later by the police). Two cameras so that
one high up can see what is going on and one lower down to read the
registration plate.

Maybe a bit Big Brotherish but I have no time for those who blatantly break
laws.

Peter Dowson
S1 80"

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From: gwinston@cisco.com (Graham Winstone)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:25:02 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: I'm really getting fed up

Andrew Baker wrote:
  How do I configure Exchange to use something other than ">" to indicate
  reply lines?
  I could cut and paste replies to a new msg and use my own choice of char
  but that defeats the idea of a reply option.

As I'm in an expansive mood today, wipe your hard drive, install Linux,
then I'll be able to help with your questions :-)

- Graham

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From: Andy Gardiner <101_nut@shedcity.demon.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:15:06 +0000
Subject: electric windowss

In message <bulk.13551.19990227000626@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, owner-uk-
lro-digest@playground.sun.com writes
>He will now
>not even consider a car with electric windows, and can't understand what is
>so difficult about turning a handle.

'76 Range Rover, choke full out, feel like opening windows, swear,
curse, blaspheme as knuckles wrap themselves around that bloody choke
knob on one side and the door handle on the other!

'leccy windows may have their moments!

-- 
Andy Gardiner

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From: Andrew Baker <Andrew_Baker@mitel.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:51:32 -0000
Subject: RE: I'm really getting fed up

Actually I've been going to install linux for quite some time now but
have never quite got round to it.
Andrew

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:54:10 +0000
Subject: Re: Funny things on bumpers

>Maybe a bit Big Brotherish but I have no time for those who blatantly break
>laws.

Well,neither have I but there are limits.And I am beginning to be
of the opinion that its time Plod earned his own not inconsiderable
salary,as well as doing his own dirty work.
Whilst I can (just) accept surveillance cameras (out in the open,easily
seen,and therefore a deterrent) I most certainly *dont* accept the ones
on traffic lights which are virtually hidden,therefore *dont* act as a
deterrent,but as some sort of sneaky entrapment device.OK,so I dont run
red lights either,but you'd get fewer people doing it if the cameras
were in full view.Or isnt the idea to prevent lawbreaking at all,but
some other agenda we arent privy to?

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:00:02 -0000
Subject: Re: Mike Hammer(ite)

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:00:17 +0000
Subject: Re: electric windowss

>'leccy windows may have their moments!

Ah,windows 76.Better in the next issue,but then they wouldnt shut....

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:17:29 -0000
Subject: Re: Funny things on bumpers

.>I know that in some areas buses are carrying two cameras which record the
.>goings on in bus lanes (reviewed later by the police). Two cameras so that
.>one high up can see what is going on and one lower down to read the
.>registration plate.

.>Maybe a bit Big Brotherish but I have no time for those who blatantly
break
.>laws.

Hmm I agree, I have heard of these cameras, I have no problem with that, but
this appears to be a self contained unit, havent seen any wiring, but it
could be fed from the rear.
They have no apertures at all, and are definately not cameras. They are
completely sealed to the front.I wondered if they are simmilar to the
devices used in shops to prevent good leaving ie anti shoplifting devices. I
was thinking they may use a simmilar technology.

Still Baffled ....

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:19:42 -0000
Subject: Re: Oil

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 20:34:18 +0100
Subject: Cable crimpings (was: Cable markings)

Soldering cables to crimp connectors is a good idea - but be sure to
solder to the connector and not (as some Japanese electronics
manufacturers do it) just tin the cable and crimp it. As the solder
works loose with age, the joint loosens.

Tinning first is essential for a good joint. The best recipe is to use
uninsulated crimp connectors, so that you can tin the wire, the stick it
into a hot uncrimped connector - then crimp it, then a dab of solder
again (to avoid japanese woes) - then insulate with 2 layers of heat
shrink sleeving. Such a joint will last forever.

 
Adrian Redmond

          http://www.channel6.dk/native

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From: "George Corner" <George@gacorner.force9.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:45:35 -0000
Subject: Re: Disco Lights. (Not, as in Boogie Woogie)

Uprating the bulbs on their own is not the answer. The geometry of the light
units are just not that good.

Geo

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From: "Micky" <micky@big101.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:54:11 -0000
Subject: Re: Funny things on bumpers

>Hmm I agree, I have heard of these cameras, I have no problem with that,
but
>this appears to be a self contained unit, havent seen any wiring, but it
>could be fed from the rear.
>They have no apertures at all, and are definately not cameras. They are
>completely sealed to the front.I wondered if they are simmilar to the
>devices used in shops to prevent good leaving ie anti shoplifting devices.
I
>was thinking they may use a simmilar technology.
>Still Baffled ....
>They have no apertures at all, and are definately not cameras. They are
>completely sealed to the front.I wondered if they are simmilar to the

Are you sure they are not those squirty things for washing windscreens and
lights and stuff?

Just a thought...

Cheers

Micky
101 in bits

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From: "Micky" <micky@big101.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:14:23 -0000
Subject: Hawkwind, was: Neil's HSE

>Neil >>>1996 Range Rover 4.6 HSE - code named - 'Silver Machine' (after all
I am a
>Hawkwind fan<<
> Hey, you're not the only one (I have a copy of them live on the Peel
>show
> circa 1973). twas rumoured they also recorded an album (called New
>Worlds
> Fair)  with Michael Morecock (yep, the scifi author) under the name
>Deep Fix..
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>old enough
> to remember them)..

Bloomin' hippies.... :-)

Mind, Hawkwind wasn't all bad - they did give the rock world Lemmy...

Cheers

Micky
101 in bits

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From: "Micky" <micky@big101.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:06:32 -0000
Subject: Re: Funny things on bumpers

>>Maybe a bit Big Brotherish but I have no time for those who blatantly
break
>>laws.

Must admit,l I have absolutely no time for those who jump lights or speed
excessively. Did you know that you can get an on the spot fine in Germany
for having a part of the vehicle cross the line at lights, even if it's only
6 inches. Might be an urban myth...

>Well,neither have I but there are limits.And I am beginning to be
>of the opinion that its time Plod earned his own not inconsiderable
>salary,as well as doing his own dirty work.

But these cameras (when there's any film in the thing) are big money
earners. A6 near Stockport - there is a camera just after the road goes from
60mph to 30mph - apparently it's the most profitable in the country...

>Whilst I can (just) accept surveillance cameras (out in the open,easily
>seen,and therefore a deterrent)

Not for that Stephen Lawrence statue. (Ooh er, little bit of politics :-)

I most certainly *dont* accept the ones
>on traffic lights which are virtually hidden,therefore *dont* act as a
>deterrent,but as some sort of sneaky entrapment device.OK,so I dont run
>red lights either,but you'd get fewer people doing it if the cameras
>were in full view.Or isnt the idea to prevent lawbreaking at all,but
>some other agenda we arent privy to?

I think the idea is that once you've been done a few times, it's more quids
in the Police coffers, and you're less likely to commit the same offence
again.

I have no objection to buses with cameras. When you're sitting in a queue of
traffic and some youth in an XR2 boom box with wheels comes screaming up the
bus lane, it kinda gets on my tits. Okay, in the great scheme of motoring
offences it's probably not important, but if everyone does it, there's no
point having the bus lane.

Anyway, back to the little boxes on buses - couldn't they be transmitters
for those new fangled bus stops (whoa! I'm not 25 for a month and already
I'm starting to sound like an old fogey) which tell you when the next bus
will arrive? Was stood at one of those stops, said next bus in 5 minutes,
last bus of the night. Then said 4, 3, 2, 1 minutes. Waited with
anticipation for a few more minutes. Then the screen went blank and the
lights went out on the shelter. Bummer...

Cheers

Micky
101 in bits

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From: "Richard Clarke"<Richard.Clarke@nre.vic.gov.au>
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:17:22 +1000
Subject: Re: high lift (not) going down

spray some silicone spray on the pins to lubricate them

you can use RP7/WD40 or alike but it is messy and will attract the dirt for
next time

the pins can sometimes bend, which will stop them retracting properly - but
I think you said your jack was new so this should'nt be the case - maybe
there is too much paint on the pins stopping them sliding properly?, work
them in and out a few times, or sand the paint off if this is the case

my jack is 15 years old, and I find a sqirt of silicone every now and then
keeps it working

richard c

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From: AVAC11@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:29:54 EST
Subject: Re: intro

In a message dated 01/03/99 11:39:45 GMT Normalzeit, gwinston@cisco.com
writes:

>   It achieves the uk speed limit then?
>  On the flat.  But to get it up hills, you had to kick the thing down.
>  Or if there was a headwind, it could not maintain 70 in 4th, had to
>  kick down, or drive in 3rd.
>    In fact I had the 3.5 V8 in mind.   No experience of the 4.0 so can't 
>    really comment on this except to say it wasn't exactly raved over 
>    when LROi did a comparative review a few months ago.  Out of choice 
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>  Now, the 90 TD5 does look an interesting beast.  Am I a glutten for
>  punishment or what ?  Once bitten twice shy ?

I could aceive the 70 with the 2 and a quarter, though I didn't find it
feeling good. Haven't read that article obviously but the V8 should have some
grunt, whats wrong with it again, some lo compression watered down version?
What engine does the TD5 have then?
I was indeed thinking of something spanking new as it has to go through the
books. The LR will be bought in Germany, I know they don't officially export
them there but you can get them in all kinda bodys, including the wierd six
seater pick up.

Gernot

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From: AVAC11@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:29:55 EST
Subject: Re: Rear Door/wheel

In a message dated 01/03/99 11:15:46 GMT Normalzeit, simon@cinesite.co.uk
writes:

>  So my question is, in practice what causes the door to flex? Is the most
>  damage caused when the door/wheel is slammed shut, or caught open by the
>  wind? Or does the damage occur from the forces of bumpy driving. It
>  makes a difference in terms of the wheel carrier's usefullness. Such a
>  carrier will be of no use if the door will be damaged from being used,
>  but it will be a real solution if the door gets damaged from driving.

I think its the weight of the whel itself that causes flexing, I'm only
talking from the SIII's but the frame is too weak to keep up with it in
combination with slighlty underdimensioned hinges.

Gernot

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From: AVAC11@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:01:54 EST
Subject: Re: Funny things on bumpers

In a message dated 01/03/99 21:17:52 GMT Normalzeit,
micky@big101.freeserve.co.uk writes:

> Must admit,l I have absolutely no time for those who jump lights or speed
>  excessively. Did you know that you can get an on the spot fine in Germany
>  for having a part of the vehicle cross the line at lights, even if it's
only
>  6 inches. Might be an urban myth...
>  excessively. Did you know that you can get an on the spot fine in Germany

Is urban myth.

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From: "Matthew Reeve & Mel Mauger" <blatchwood@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:45:09 -0000
Subject: Re: LATIN? (no LR content)

>Know that I'm not the only reactionary old fart on this list, and
>assuming that there must be some others whose Latin grammar is better
>than mine - can anyone translate the following...

>"Pic vivere et Deum et patrium deligere"
>Adrian Redmond

No such word as "pic",  could possibly be "dic", but still not
grammatically correct.  For "patrium" try "patriam", then it is something
like
" Tell (them) to live and choose God and country."  However, one letter
different in "deligere" would change it from "choose" to "love".

Matthew
UK, nr Heathrow
1979 2-dr Range Rover 300Tdi

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From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 22:14:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Oil

At 14:23 01/03/99 +0000, Geoff wrote:
>Hi Chaps...
>Its oil change time for me... and I notice, that like Old mother Hubbards
>cupboard... my nice 25 Litre drum of CCMC D5 SHPD oil is near empty.

>What do you 200 / 300 Tdi chaps do?... replies on a small postcard, or
>alternatively on an Email!..
>TIA
Oh boy, has this one ever gone around to no good conclusion. We agonize. We
discuss it at length on the ZA list, with some really informed
contributions from them. We carry SHPD oil illegally in our luggage. We try
to get  our local dealers to help: Shell to import Myrina - Texaco their
Ursa Super TD etc, to no avail; we hear that Monolec is the oil of choice
of the Slavins (who supplied my 300) for their expedition vehicles and try
to import that; we  hear so much conflicting information on this that a
definitive piece would be really welcome.
Allan

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From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 22:20:25 -0500
Subject: RE: Oil

BTW - the call was for a turbo spec. It is not helpfull to tell someone
with a Tdi that they can get away with the stuff your 2.25s are happy with.  
Lucky you.
Allan.

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From: gwinston@cisco.com (Graham Winstone)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:02:51 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: intro

AVAC11@aol.com wrote:
  I could aceive the 70 with the 2 and a quarter, though I didn't find it
  feeling good. Haven't read that article obviously but the V8 should have some
  grunt, whats wrong with it again, some lo compression watered down version?
  What engine does the TD5 have then?
  I was indeed thinking of something spanking new as it has to go through the
  books. The LR will be bought in Germany, I know they don't officially export
  them there but you can get them in all kinda bodys, including the wierd six
  seater pick up.

The engine was supposed to be 190bhp, but I don't believe that.  The real 
problem is that the thing is completly over geared.  Move the auto lever
to '3', and the thing would be acceptable, move it to 'D' and you would
slow down and have to stamp on the pedal to get the thing to kick down
again.  With all this going on, it barely managed to get 120 miles on
each tank of petrol which was a real bummer.

I was going to add here the 'just my $0.02 worth' here, but then though
what is the european version of this with the euro now.  Being completely
ignorant of this, are there only whole euro's, or is there a pennies
variant of the currency as well ?  Is 'just my E0.02 worth' acceptable ?

- Graham

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