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From: "Geoff Wilkin" <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:12:54 -0000
Subject: Re: Cable crimpings (was: Cable markings)

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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:15:42 -0000
Subject: Re: Hawkwind, was: Neil's HSE

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From: "Geoff Wilkin" <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:17:19 -0000
Subject: Re: Funny things on bumpers

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From: Orlando_Scott-Cowley@watsonwyatt.co.uk
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:32:31 +0000
Subject: Re: Funny things on bumpers

>I am curious as to these little black things on the front of busses.
>Its a black plastic object about 4" x 1"  by about 2/3" high. 

Ah ha...(no I'm not Alan Partridge.) Those little black things are, or were, 
when I first saw them. A trial-run for the city-centre-billing projects. They 
have been used in Cambridge on buses and Taxi's for about a year now. 

It's a bit like the 'Dart-Tag' used at the Dartford Tunnel. I.e. it logs your 
car everytime you go through a defined check point, and you get billed at the 
end of the month.

I'm not sure how they work, something to do with transponders round a city 
centre picking up and echo from this 'tag' with you id number encoded in the 
signal.

Prove me worng someone.

BFN, Orlando.
93, Disco. Tagless.

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From: "Peter Dowson" <Peter.Dowson@softwareag.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:37:00 -0000
Subject: Re: Funny things on bumpers

Geoff Wilkin wrote :->
>I have closely examined one  and it has no apertures..
>I saw one on a Taxi yesterday.... the plot thickens

Oh dear, that probably means that they are for changing traffic lights to
green or some other flow control device. Why should a private individual who
is prepared to pay for someone else to do the driving get the right to use
dedicated "bus" lanes and priorities in one way systems, when the priviate
individual who is prepared to pay to drive himself can't? I've no objections
with multi-passenger buses doing this as the idea is to reduce the traffic
in the towns/cities but taxis?

<Rant mode off>

Peter Dowson
S" *)2

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From: Simon Minshall <simon@cinesite.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 09:24:32 +0000
Subject: Re: Rear Door/wheel

AVAC11@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 01/03/99 11:15:46 GMT Normalzeit, simon@cinesite.co.uk
> writes:
> >  So my question is, in practice what causes the door to flex? Is the most
> >  damage caused when the door/wheel is slammed shut, or caught open by the
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 8 lines)]
> >  carrier will be of no use if the door will be damaged from being used,
> >  but it will be a real solution if the door gets damaged from driving.
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> talking from the SIII's but the frame is too weak to keep up with it in
> combination with slighlty underdimensioned hinges.

I think we agree on this point, but is the weight a problem when the
door is being opened and closed or it is a problem when driving. I'm
looking into a wheel carrier that will take the weight when it's closed
but not when the door is slammed. I'm wondering if slamming (normal use)
is the cause of the breakages.

Simon

-- 
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Imaging Systems Engineer                    9 Carlisle Street
Cinesite Digital Studios                    London    W1V 5RG
http://www.cinesite.co.uk                   tel:0171-973-4000
mailto:simon@cinesite.co.uk                 fax:0171-973-4040

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@offroading.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:37:18 -0000
Subject: Re: Funny things on bumpers

I think they are for raising and lowering those bollards that stop people
going into town centres etc. I have seen footage of a car tailgating a taxi
into one of these areas in the hope of getting through. Suffice is to
say....he didn;t. It was Cambridge I think, the bollards came straight up
through his sump. The guy was on film, reversed off and tried to drive away,
with all the bits of his engine rapidly falling out behind him.....very
amusing!

Neil

SIII 109"

P.S. Like I need to say this..............never ever ever ever ever ever
ever ever ever buy a Ford ANYTHING. 2 months ago I sent a letter of
complaint (lots of issues, but also they owed me money). I rang yesterday to
be told...oh we've got a backlog - we'll move your complaint to the top of
the list. I have told them where thay can stuff their E*plorer!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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From: Michael Becker <Michael.Becker@post.rwth-aachen.de>
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 11:18:08 +0100 (MEZ)
Subject: D90/110 engine choice

Hi all,

there is a difference in the engine management of the 300Tdi and the TD5: the 
Tdi will run without battery 
power, the TD5 won't (only in 'emergency mode' at best). 
But I've heared other bad things about the new engine. Two people who bought a 
OneTen with the TD5 
engine had both severe problems. One of them had a complete 'blackout' due to a 
failure in the black-box 
that controlls the engine. Both had cracks in the cylinder block!!! I was 
shocked to hear that - your comments, 
please!
If I had to choose - I would go for a 300Tdi, that's for sure! 

Regards,

	Michael

Disco 200Tdi, white and always dirty

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From: Andy Gardiner <101_nut@shedcity.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:16:29 +0000
Subject: Re: The UK/IERE Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

In message <bulk.29584.19990302000709@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, owner-uk-
lro-digest@playground.sun.com writes
>Tinning first is essential for a good joint. The best recipe is to use
>uninsulated crimp connectors, so that you can tin the wire, the stick it
>into a hot uncrimped connector - then crimp it, then a dab of solder
>again (to avoid japanese woes) - then insulate with 2 layers of heat
>shrink sleeving. Such a joint will last forever.

Unfortunately the connector and the contact to the other half may well
not depending on it's quality.

Interestingly, in the electrical industry, crimping is now favoured over
soldering with an expected life-span of more than double. A weld crimp
is even better with something like a 25 year life. (FYI a weld crimp is
basically crimping with a very small contact area or extremely high
pressure to cause so much localised heat that the connector literally
welds to the conductor at the contact point so it no longer relies on
pressure to maintain contact.)

-- 
Andy Gardiner

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From: Robert Jan van Vliet <rjvvliet@casema.net>
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 11:43:12 +0100
Subject: Re: intro

Well Graham,

Yes you can get the euro in bits and pieces. As 1 euro is about $0.90  your 
$0.02
would be Euro 0.022 However the smallest bit you can actually hold in your hand 
is
E 0.01.

When you mention the pennie etc. you mention a problem as there are no names for
the coins yet.
The euro is no loved item in Europe yet. Europeans see there own currency as a
symbol of there nation (it is!) and hate losing it. But for travelling through
Europe it is great. For example: to travel from Holland to spain you need four
currencies.

We'll get used to it.

Robert Jan
109" SIII 1980 rhd petrol 2.25

Graham Winstone wrote:

> I was going to add here the 'just my $0.02 worth' here, but then though
> what is the european version of this with the euro now.  Being completely
> ignorant of this, are there only whole euro's, or is there a pennies
> variant of the currency as well ?  Is 'just my E0.02 worth' acceptable ?

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:04:05 +0000
Subject: Re: D90/110 engine choice

 One of them had a complete 'blackout' due to a failure in the black-box
>that controlls the engine.
It does seem something of a retrograde step to negate one of the
advantages of a diesel engine,which is that it doesnt need electrics
to run.It also seems that the wet weather performance would perhaps
be affected as well.
I've noticed something of a backlash in the press recently against
the mass of electronic gadgets so beloved of the manufacturers.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "Chris Britain" <chris.britain@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:23:34 -0000
Subject: Doggie's Name (slight LR content?)

Hi Gang

My mate has just purchased a border terrier (lady doggie) and, being
slightly more sad than most, would like a Landy related name for her!!!

I said I would ask the list for suggestions as the best he has come up with
as yet is V8 ('cause there was once one called K9 - arrhhh!)

Cant be anything too rude cause he has a young son

Chris

--
Anyone got  life for sale - cheap?

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From: "Iain Tennant" <i.r.tennant@dundee.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:25:19 GMT
Subject: Re: D90/110 engine choice (was: intro)

> AFAIK the 300TDi is almost completelty "manual" the only electronics of
> which i am aware is the EGR or whatever it's called. But please correct
> me if I am wrong...

I'm not sure and would of course be very happy if you're right.  The 
emmision control ECU (i.e. the EGR unit) I assume must talk to the 
injection system in some way and modern engines often also 
have anti-knock sensors which do likewise.   I'll check out  the 
workshop manual tonight.
As for the the TD5, from what I've heard it relies heavily on 
electronics and apparently has a "limp home" mode in case the 
electronics fail.  IMO this does not sound good!

Regards,

Iain

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From: Patrick Colbeck <pat.colbeck@esc.azlan.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:30:07 +0000
Subject: Re: The UK/IERE Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

> Interestingly, in the electrical industry, crimping is now favoured over
> soldering with an expected life-span of more than double. 

I heard that the reason for this is that solder joints can becom brittle and
thus snap with vibration etc, wheras a multicore crimp joint is flexible and
even if some starnds snap the rest still make the contact.

I would like to see how the tests are performed though as I suspect we are
talking about joint made with industrial quality machines rather that the
hand crimpers and connectors available to the general public. I would think
that in real life, ie making a connection in your drive when the light is
failing and your dinner is slowly turning to carbon in the oven a good
tinned and soldered joint would be easy to achieve than a good crimped one.

Pat

-- 

 Patrick Colbeck 	  email: pat.colbeck@esc.azlan.co.uk          
 Senior Analyst            tel:  you dont seriously expect me to 
 Azlan Ltd                       give that out on the internet do you ?

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From: chris.mokes@symbian.com
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 11:33:06 GMT
Subject: Re: Doggie's Name (slight LR content?) 

     How about puddles, 'cos that's what they both leave.
     

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From: "Peter Estibeiro" <petere@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:39:39 +0000
Subject: Re: Doggie's Name (slight LR content?)

> My mate has just purchased a border terrier (lady doggie) and, being
> slightly more sad than most, would like a Landy related name for her!!!
I have always wanted a dog called Mud-Flap.  I think its a great name 
for a dog:-)

Cheers
Peter.

Peter Estibeiro
Membrane Biology Group
Department of Biomedical Science
University of Edinburgh
Edinburgh EH8 9XD
tel: 44 131 6503731
fax: 44 131 6503711
email peter.estibeiro@ed.ac.uk

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From: Duncan Phillips <dunk@ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 12:04:30 +0000
Subject: Re: Doggie's Name (slight LR content?)

At 11:23 AM 3/2/99 -0000, you wrote:
>Hi Gang
>My mate has just purchased a border terrier (lady doggie) and, being
>slightly more sad than most, would like a Landy related name for her!!!

Rover (obviously)
Jack (Hi Lift??)
Roof Rack (pronounced woof rack)
Grommet (but then he'd have to call himself wallace)
Diff (the wolf on due south was called deifenbaker - sometimes shortened to
deif)
Snow Ball (pronounced tow ball)
Mudflap
DOT4 (or should that be 3??)
EP90

As you can see work's kinda slow today.....

*******************************
Duncan Phillips
1980 SWB SIII 'Evie'
http://Gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp/play/lrover/
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Big Bad n' Blue

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From: Duncan Phillips <dunk@ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 12:06:03 +0000
Subject: Re: Doggie's Name (slight LR content?)

At 11:23 AM 3/2/99 -0000, you wrote:
>Hi Gang
>My mate has just purchased a border terrier (lady doggie) and, being
>slightly more sad than most, would like a Landy related name for her!!!

What about naming it after the original LR designer (though I'm shamed to
say I don't know his name!! - enlighten us someone!!)

Work is still kinda slow....

*******************************
Duncan Phillips
1980 SWB SIII 'Evie'
http://Gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp/play/lrover/
*******************************
Big Bad n' Blue

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From: Michael Becker <Michael.Becker@post.rwth-aachen.de>
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 13:08:15 +0100 (MEZ)
Subject: Cylinder leakage test

Hi all,

in one of the last issues of the LROi I have read about a cylinder leakage 
test. It was said that this test does 
say more about possible engine faults than a compression measurement.

What is the difference between both tests and how is a leakage test performed? 
Is it expensive? Does 
anybody know?!

Regards,

	Michael

Disce 200Tdi, white and always dirty

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From: "Steve Mace" <steve@solwise.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:30:12 -0000
Subject: Re: The UK/IERE Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

>From personal experience I will never use crimped 
terminals again. Always solder.... Based upon my job and 
on the LR - I'm sick of connections dying because of poor 
quality crimping. With soldering it's much easier to get a 
proper working connection though I would agree a proper 
machine pressed crimp is probably better.

On 2 Mar 99, at 11:30, Patrick Colbeck wrote:

> > Interestingly, in the electrical industry, crimping is now favoured over
> > soldering with an expected life-span of more than double. 
> I heard that the reason for this is that solder joints can becom brittle and
> thus snap with vibration etc, wheras a multicore crimp joint is flexible and
> even if some starnds snap the rest still make the contact.
> I would like to see how the tests are performed though as I suspect we are
> talking about joint made with industrial quality machines rather that the
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> failing and your dinner is slowly turning to carbon in the oven a good
> tinned and soldered joint would be easy to achieve than a good crimped one.

Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: steve@solwise.co.uk
www: http://www.solwise.co.uk
Tel: +44 1482 621888
Fax: +44 1482 621877

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From: Andrew Baker <Andrew_Baker@mitel.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 12:24:08 -0000
Subject: RE: Doggie's Name (slight LR content?)

A friend of mine called his dog TURBO. What about TURBO injection?
Andrew

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From: AVAC11@aol.com
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:18:54 EST
Subject: Re: intro

In a message dated 02/03/99 08:03:18 GMT Normalzeit, gwinston@cisco.com
writes:

>  The engine was supposed to be 190bhp, but I don't believe that.  The real 
>  problem is that the thing is completly over geared.  Move the auto lever
>  to '3', and the thing would be acceptable, move it to 'D' and you would
>  slow down and have to stamp on the pedal to get the thing to kick down
>  again.  With all this going on, it barely managed to get 120 miles on
>  each tank of petrol which was a real bummer.

Oh, yeah, now I remember, now you mention the word auto lever, sod that, I'm
not buying an ATV with auto tranny. Reasons partly stated above, plus I don't
like it anyway.

Gernot

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From: "Niel J. P. Fagan" <NF@orc.soton.ac.uk>
Date:          Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:25:42 GMT
Subject:       Oil

Just get the best, and change it < keep filling it up ;-) > 
regularly. My local diesel specialist recomends 3,000 miles max 
between changes btw and DON'T use any "universal" oil if the engines 
in good nick, most of the local farmers have been using Castrol 
universal and are now paying the price !

Niel, now a 2/3rd owner of a 200 tdi disco as well as the wHOLE 
series 1.
Rgds Niel

Views expressed are personal and not those of the 
University, unless otherwise & expressly stated.

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From: "Peter Dowson" <Peter.Dowson@softwareag.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:50:44 -0000
Subject: Re: intro

>Oh, yeah, now I remember, now you mention the word auto lever, sod that,
I'm
>not buying an ATV with auto tranny. Reasons partly stated above, plus I
don't
>like it anyway.

You can get more control from an auto box off road than you can in a manual
box, for example hill descent - stick it in reverse and let the torque
converter do the rest - use the accelerator to increase engine revs will
make the vehicle go down the hill slower ( you are going forwards ). I've
never done it and I don't know how long the transmission fluid will last but
it apparently gives very good control.

Peter

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From: Dave Ladell <ladell@proasisn.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:00:04 +0000
Subject: Re: intro

Peter Dowson wrote;
>You can get more control from an auto box off road than you can in a manual
>box, for example hill descent - stick it in reverse and let the torque
>converter do the rest - use the accelerator to increase engine revs will
>make the vehicle go down the hill slower ( you are going forwards ). I've
>never done it and I don't know how long the transmission fluid will last but
>it apparently gives very good control.

Or the torque converter for that matter!

Dave Ladell  
'75 Lightweight 2.5TD 
nr. Buxton, Derbyshire, UK

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From: "Matthew Reeve & Mel Mauger" <blatchwood@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:36:10 -0000
Subject: Re: Rusty ramblings

>should introduce two new option packages - A. the build it yourself
>package - entire car arrives in bits, numbered and indexed in a big
>packing case, you build it yourself. Tools, drawings and tips are
>Adrian Redmond

Are 110s still made in CKD form? If so, it is possible that you might be
able to get hold of one, although you would have to sign away all your
consumer rights I would expect. When I used to work at the bike shop,
customers could collect bikes which were not assembled, but they had to sign
a disclaimer stating that the shop was not responsible for any defects due
to construction etc. etc. This was to cover our backs in the event of the
owner not putting things together properly. Although the owner had no rights
following the disclaimer, on the couple of occasions when there was a fault
with a component, we used our judgement and replaced most of them, except
for one which had failed due to a bolt not being put in properly and thereby
stripping and releasing the component.

Matthew
UK, nr Heathrow
1979 2-dr Range Rover 300Tdi

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From: "Matthew Reeve & Mel Mauger" <blatchwood@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:06:55 -0000
Subject: re: Latin

>Know that I'm not the only reactionary old fart on this list, and
>assuming that there must be some others whose Latin grammar is better
>than mine - can anyone translate the following...
>"Pic vivere et Deum et patrium deligere"
>Adrian Redmond
No such word as "pic",  could possibly be "dic", but still not
grammatically correct.  For "patrium" try "patriam", then it is something
like
" Tell (them) to live and choose God and country."  However, one letter
different in "deligere" would change it from "choose" to "love".

Matthew
UK, nr Heathrow
1979 2-dr Range Rover 300Tdi

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From: "Clive Taylor" <clive@tcns.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:21:23 -0000
Subject: Re: Latin

Wouldn't
"Sic vivere et Deum et patriam deligere" make more sense?

Clive

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From: "Matthew Reeve & Mel Mauger" <blatchwood@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:09:21 -0000
Subject: EGR

>The EGR is designed to bugger up your emissions, especially when it is
>faultly and Land Rover want lots of money to fix it, so when mine was
faulty
>I blocked it up with a ball bearing and it made a hugh inprovment, to
>performance and smoke emissions.
>mark

Can you provide more details on what you did? I've been suffering a loss of
power for a while and have had the EGR suggested as a possible means of
regaining some of it (although it obviously isn't the underlying problem).

Matthew
UK, nr Heathrow
1979 2-dr Range Rover 300Tdi

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From: AVAC11@aol.com
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:46:09 EST
Subject: Re: D90/110 engine choice (was: intro)

In a message dated 02/03/99 11:28:21 GMT Normalzeit, i.r.tennant@dundee.ac.uk
writes:

> > AFAIK the 300TDi is almost completelty "manual" the only electronics of
>  > which i am aware is the EGR or whatever it's called. But please correct
>  > me if I am wrong...
>  I'm not sure and would of course be very happy if you're right.  The 
>  emmision control ECU (i.e. the EGR unit) I assume must talk to the 
>  injection system in some way and modern engines often also 
>  have anti-knock sensors which do likewise.   I'll check out  the 
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>  electronics and apparently has a "limp home" mode in case the 
>  electronics fail.  IMO this does not sound good!

Seems to be some amount of mis and noninformation circulating around. 
Any injection with a mechanic injector pump has no or very little electronics.
Any electronic injection measures airflow, throttle position and mixture
strength.
Any electronic injection with a catalytic converter measures additionally
desired parameters, i.e. co or else.
Any electronic ignition has an ecu , any ecu has a limp home function apart
from very early ones that just puts the engine in a static running condition
such as with a carb. Nothing wrong with that apart from that a) you use more
fuel b) you loose some horses c) your emmissions go up This limp home function
can be so good that you hardly ralize that its on. I have read a road test of
a jag that was running in limp home function, the testers didn't notice
anything, they just complained about high consumption.

Cheers, Gernot (note, all prefixed with IMHO)

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From: AVAC11@aol.com
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:46:05 EST
Subject: Re: Cylinder leakage test

In a message dated 02/03/99 12:15:01 GMT Normalzeit, Michael.Becker@post.rwth-
aachen.de writes:

>  Hi all,
>  in one of the last issues of the LROi I have read about a cylinder leakage 
> test. It was said that this test does 
>  say more about possible engine faults than a compression measurement.
>  What is the difference between both tests and how is a leakage test 
> performed? Is it expensive? Does 

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>  Regards,
>  	Michael

Hi Michael,

nice to see someone else from Aachen on the list.
Anyway, leakdown test is a modified compression test (at least what I know as
a leakdown test) in as such that you check compression after addition of a
quantity of oil through spark plug(glow plug) hole which tells you then if the
leak is gasket/head caused or of the culprit are the rings/bores.

Cheers, Gernot

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From: AVAC11@aol.com
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 14:46:11 EST
Subject: Re: Rear Door/wheel

In a message dated 02/03/99 09:19:59 GMT Normalzeit, simon@cinesite.co.uk
writes:

>  I think we agree on this point, but is the weight a problem when the
>  door is being opened and closed or it is a problem when driving. I'm
>  looking into a wheel carrier that will take the weight when it's closed
>  but not when the door is slammed. I'm wondering if slamming (normal use)
>  is the cause of the breakages.

sorry for not explaining it more clearly, the problem is three dimensional. If
you slam the door you get accelerating forces towards the front with part of
the door being stopped by the lock, causing flexing. OK? At the same time, the
door is already stressed by the weight of the wheel drawing the door towards
the hinge opposed side downwards. This force gets stronger when driving as the
door moves very slightly. All of that leads to fatigue.
Result: get the carrier and don't slam the door too hard.

Cheers, Gernot

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From: gwinston@cisco.com (Graham Winstone)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:31:24 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: Freelander CD-changer

Martin Barbiers wrote:
  Is there a substitute to the LRO CD-changer for the Freelander. I have
  read somewhere the radio is a Philips!?
  Anybody any experience or advice?

The CD changer fitted in mine says it is a Philips RC026.  The radio
has the usual Land Rover badging on it.

- Graham

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From: iain@biolsci.dundee.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:43:22 +0000
Subject: A question of control (was Re: Intro)

Right,  Done the homework, now the 300Tdi according to the workshop 
manual.  

There are two types of injection system fitted to the 300 engine. 
The Electronic Diesel Control (EDC) system (fitted mainly to later  
Discos),  and a "conventional diesel delivery system" as fitted to 
most Discos and to *all*  Defenders).

With EDC, "fuel metering, injection timing and cold-start control is 
controlled by the ECU".  There are sensors for almost everything... 
injector timing, airflow, engine speed, vehicle speed, brake and 
clutch switches, throttle position, turbo-boost, coolant temp,air 
temp, fuel temp.

The actual injector pump is almost identical in both systems, the 
difference is in the method of metering fuel delivery.   With EDC,  
the injector pump has a built-in delivery actuator and timing 
solenoid with independently mounted EGR and Stop solonoids also 
controlled by the ECU.

On the 300 Defender, fuel metering is controlled by a centrifugal 
governor which reacts to accelerator position and engine speed. The 
governor is linked to a metering valve. The EGR is controlled via a 
sensor on the injector pump.  Now, isn't that simpler!

In short Adrian,  you were right!

Regards,

Iain

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 23:34:46 +0100
Subject: Re: Latin

Clive Taylor wrote:
Wouldn't "Sic vivere et Deum et patriam deligere" make more sense?

Maybe - but what does it mean?
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From: "Dave White" <dave@bang.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:31:20 -0000
Subject: Sump Plug Spanner

Does anyone know what size  spanner is required for the sump plug on a V8
(Stage 1 if it helps) I haven't got one that fits and can't get a socket on
it (Exhaust in the way....), too tight for my adjustable. :-(

And there was me thinking nice easy oil change!

Dave White
'82 V8 Stage 1 SW (Light Green)
'69 2.6 LWB 2A (in bits)

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From: andy Smith <andy@bobstar.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:06:43 +0000
Subject: Re: Sump Plug Spanner

In message <bulk.22399.19990302144449@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, Dave White
<dave@bang.demon.co.uk> writes
>Does anyone know what size  spanner is required for the sump plug on a V8
>(Stage 1 if it helps) I haven't got one that fits and can't get a socket on
>it (Exhaust in the way....), too tight for my adjustable. :-(
>And there was me thinking nice easy oil change!

On my V8 ex rangie it is 1"af

Andy Smith
1965 ser2a V8 swb road/ccvt
1971 ser2a 2.25P road
Tamworth Staffs
ICQ 30236512

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From: "Clive Taylor" <clive@tcns.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 01:15:00 -0000
Subject: Re: Latin

Thus to live and choose God and country.

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From: "Clive Taylor" <clive@tcns.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 01:56:38 -0000
Subject: Re: Latin

(Thus/therefore/nothing) to live and God and country choose (love) (a la
Matthew Reeve & Mel Mauger)

Clive

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From: "Micky" <micky@big101.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 01:12:24 -0000
Subject: Re: Rear Door/wheel

>sorry for not explaining it more clearly, the problem is three dimensional.
If
>you slam the door you get accelerating forces towards the front with part
of
>the door being stopped by the lock, causing flexing. OK? At the same time,
the
>door is already stressed by the weight of the wheel drawing the door
towards
>the hinge opposed side downwards. This force gets stronger when driving as
the
>door moves very slightly. All of that leads to fatigue.
>Result: get the carrier and don't slam the door too hard.

In other words, if you hang a wheel off a door for a decade, nothing will
happen.

If you start slamming the bugger shut (for want of a better phrase) or even
open it,  the thing will wear out. It's all to do with things moving and the
stresses within the door and hinges moving. If the load was static, the door
would last for ages. It moves, so it doesn't...

The moral of this story is : never, ever, under any circumstances, open the
rear door if it's got a wheel mounted on it. Inconvenient, I realise, but a
solution...

Alternatively, live with the problem, replace door as and when, and
appreciate the underdimensioned doors and hinges.

For years and years, the British way of doing things was to over-engineer
them completely. Just when you need something really handy like a rear door
that lasts (sorry I've got a Mini pickup and a 101, what's one of those?)
the buggers go and get all economical on us.

I'm sorry, this wasn't very useful, nor informative, nor helpful to those
with the expensive and vexing problem of a knackered door and leaning
hinges.

But it seemed like a good idea at the time....

Love and hugs

Micky
101 in bits
5 pints of Guiness and a bottle of very nice Australian red....

Sorry...

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From: pete.kirkham@minster.cs.york.ac.uk
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 03:28:53 +0000
Subject: Re: Funny things on bumpers

Mike Rooth wrote:
> Whilst I can (just) accept surveillance cameras (out in the open,easily
> seen,and therefore a deterrent) I most certainly *dont* accept the ones
> on traffic lights which are virtually hidden,therefore *dont* act as a
> deterrent,but as some sort of sneaky entrapment device.OK,so I dont run
> red lights either,but you'd get fewer people doing it if the cameras
> were in full view.Or isnt the idea to prevent lawbreaking at all,but
> some other agenda we arent privy to?

But if you don't know which traffic lights have cameras, then you don't know
which ones you can get away with jumping...

Pete

Red 109

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