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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 08:21:09 -0000
Subject: Re: Funny things on bumpers

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 08:26:48 -0000
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From: gwinston@cisco.com (Graham Winstone)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 08:28:58 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: Funny things on bumpers

Geoff Wilkin wrote:
  Hmm I have seen the damage done by raising bollards to a Renault. Did a lot
  of damage, nearly wrote the car off!...
  
  Its the reversing off that does it, the bollards need to be lowered to get
  it off safely.

Geoff, another use for a hi-lift jack :-)
 
- Graham

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From: Simon Minshall <simon@cinesite.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:27:04 +0000
Subject: Re: Rear Door/wheel

> >Result: get the carrier and don't slam the door too hard.
 
> The moral of this story is : never, ever, under any circumstances, open the
> rear door if it's got a wheel mounted on it. Inconvenient, I realise, but a
> solution...

Hmmm...  I think I'll get the carrier *and* close use the door gently
but firmly.

Thanks for all the advice

SImon

-- 
Simon Minshall                              
Imaging Systems Engineer                    9 Carlisle Street
Cinesite Digital Studios                    London    W1V 5RG
http://www.cinesite.co.uk                   tel:0171-973-4000
mailto:simon@cinesite.co.uk                 fax:0171-973-4040

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From: Michael Becker <Michael.Becker@post.rwth-aachen.de>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 11:46:55 +0100 (MEZ)
Subject: 100 % original

Hello,

has anybodey heared of a sticker for LandRovers with the words: ' 100% BMW-part 
free' ? A friend of mine told me that it is 
available in the UK. Could someone maybe get me an adress where I can buy it or 
even send me one to Germany? I'll pay for it, 
of course. It's just that I want to show that my Disco is still originally 
LandRover!

Regards,

	Michael

Disco 200Tdi, white and always dirty

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From: Michael Becker <Michael.Becker@post.rwth-aachen.de>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 11:47:14 +0100 (MEZ)
Subject: Cylinder leakage test

Gernot,

do I get you right that the difference between both tests is that the 
compression is measured twice in the leakdown test- with and 
without oil? And that you can tell from whether there is a difference in the 
measurements where a leakage is. No difference - 
head gasket or head, significant difference - rings/bores.

Such a test should not be too expensive. Can you recommend a garage in Aachen 
where I can have it done? By the way - what 
kind of LandRover do you own? Have you heared of the LandRover 'Stammtisch' in 
Aachen?

Regards, 

	Michael

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From: Michael Becker <Michael.Becker@post.rwth-aachen.de>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 12:11:10 +0100 (MEZ)
Subject: TD5 engine problems

Gernot,

On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:06:38 -0800 (PST), owner-uk-lro-digest@playground.sun.com 
wrote:

>Any electronic ignition has an ecu , any ecu has a limp home function apart
>from very early ones that just puts the engine in a static running condition
>such as with a carb.

You are right with your comments on electronic injection systems. But if I have 
not misunderstood the article about the TD5 
engine in the (I think) January issue of the LROi, the new five cylinder has a 
'limp home' function which only enables the engine 
to run at a constant rpm of 1200. Sounds not too convincing to me, if I imagine 
standing in the desert of Libya with nothing but 
sand dunes around for 100 miles or more.
Maybe somebody else knows more details about the 'emergency mode' of the new 
engine. By the way: still comments on the 
cracks in the cylinder block from the list - or are the list-members just 
speechless?!

Regards,

	Michael

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From: Michael Becker <Michael.Becker@post.rwth-aachen.de>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 12:18:07 +0100 (MEZ)
Subject: Re: D90/110 engine choice

Gernot,

On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:06:38 -0800 (PST), owner-uk-lro-digest@playground.sun.com 
wrote:

>Any electronic ignition has an ecu , any ecu has a limp home function apart
>from very early ones that just puts the engine in a static running condition
>such as with a carb.

You are right with your comments on electronic injection systems. But if I have 
not misunderstood the article about the TD5 
engine in the (I think) January issue of the LROi, the new five cylinder has a 
'limp home' function which only enables the engine 
to run at a constant rpm of 1200. Sounds not too convincing to me, if I imagine 
standing in the desert of Libya with nothing but 
sand dunes around for 100 miles or more.
Maybe somebody else knows more details about the 'emergency mode' of the new 
engine. By the way: still comments on the 
cracks in the cylinder block from the list - or are the list-members just 
speechless?!

Regards,

	Michael

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From: Michael Becker <Michael.Becker@post.rwth-aachen.de>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 12:18:15 +0100 (MEZ)
Subject: Cylinder leakage test

Gernot,

do I get you right that the difference between both tests is that the 
compression is measured twice in the leakdown test- with and 
without oil? And that you can tell from whether there is a difference in the 
measurements where a leakage is. No difference - 
head gasket or head, significant difference - rings/bores.

Such a test should not be too expensive. Can you recommend a garage in Aachen 
where I can have it done? By the way - what 
kind of LandRover do you own? Have you heared of the LandRover 'Stammtisch' in 
Aachen?

Regards, 

	Michael

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From: Michael Becker <Michael.Becker@post.rwth-aachen.de>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 12:18:21 +0100 (MEZ)
Subject: 100 % original

Hello,

has anybodey heared of a sticker for LandRovers with the words: ' 100% BMW-part 
free' ? A friend of mine told me that it is 
available in the UK. Could someone maybe get me an adress where I can buy it or 
even send me one to Germany? I'll pay for it, 
of course. It's just that I want to show that my Disco is still originally 
LandRover!

Regards,

	Michael

Disco 200Tdi, white and always dirty

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:07:14 -0000
Subject: Re: 100 % original

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From: Thorsten Klein <kleit001@mail.uni-mainz.de>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 13:31:39 +0100
Subject: Re: 100 % original

Geoff Wilkin schrieb:

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From: Jan Schokker <janjan@xs4all.nl>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 13:36:58 +0100
Subject: Re: 100 % original

At 12:18 3-3-99 +0100, you wrote:
>Hello,
>has anybodey heared of a sticker for LandRovers with the words: ' 100%

BMW-part free' ? A friend of mine told me that it is 
>available in the UK. Could someone maybe get me an adress where I can buy
it or even send me one to Germany? I'll pay for it, 
>of course. It's just that I want to show that my Disco is still originally
LandRover!
>of course. It's just that I want to show that my Disco is still originally

Michael,

At Billing there were some dutch guys selling the stickers.
I will ask around on the nl-lro list.

Jan.

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From: AVAC11@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:47:41 EST
Subject: Re: Cylinder leakage test

Michael.Becker@post.rwth-aachen.de writes:
> Gernot,
>  do I get you right that the difference between both tests is that the 
> compression is measured twice in the leakdown test- with and 
>  without oil? And that you can tell from whether there is a difference in
the 
> measurements where a leakage is. No difference - 
>  head gasket or head, significant difference - rings/bores.

Correct

>  Such a test should not be too expensive. Can you recommend a garage in 
> Aachen? what  kind of LandRover do you own? Have you heard of the LandRover
'Stammtisch' ?

To be honest, I would recommend you getting a compression tester. I sure
wouldn't recommend Haiden. If you insist on a garage,  you can ask Traut, my
favourite engine reconditioner, on 0241/501988 (not sure if he does it, but
he's a nice bloke and will give you advice) Then there is an ex employee of
Dreis, he's got a workshop an the road from the allkauf to citycentre on the
lh side next to the place selling tumbstones,nice bloke as well, forgot his
name though.  
Never heard of the LR stammtisch, I have an SIII 2 1/4 petrol, you know anyone
wanting an LPG conversion ?

Cheers, Gernot?

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From: Andy Gardiner <101_nut@shedcity.demon.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 12:49:33 +0000
Subject: Auto Boxes

In message <bulk.2874.19990303000638@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, owner-uk-lro-
digest@playground.sun.com writes
>You can get more control from an auto box off road than you can in a manual
>box, for example hill descent - stick it in reverse and let the torque
>converter do the rest - use the accelerator to increase engine revs will
>make the vehicle go down the hill slower ( you are going forwards ).

Excuse me for being thick but ...

I believed that auto boxes gave more control off-road as they don't
suffer from harsh gearchanges and the torque delivery is far better - ie
it's more difficult to spin the wheels. However they do suffer from lack
of engine braking so there you have to learn to drive by fiddling the
brake and accelerator to lock up the torque convertor.

What you are suggesting is that you should put the vehicle in reverse
and accelerate 'up' the hill. I would imagine that this would work until
the torque convertor locked up, the wheels lost traction or the engine
stalled and you ended up in uncontrolled descent. Going forwards, first
gear and locked torque convertor seems far safer to me.

On the other hand, if it was a very steep hill and the torgue convertor
didn't lock solid ... nah, still like the traditional method!

-- 
Andy Gardiner

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From: Andy Gardiner <101_nut@shedcity.demon.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:56:01 +0000
Subject: Electrical joints.

In message <bulk.2874.19990303000638@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, owner-uk-lro-
digest@playground.sun.com writes
>I would like to see how the tests are performed though as I suspect we are
>talking about joint made with industrial quality machines rather that the
>hand crimpers and connectors available to the general public. I would think
>that in real life, ie making a connection in your drive when the light is
>failing and your dinner is slowly turning to carbon in the oven a good
>tinned and soldered joint would be easy to achieve than a good crimped one.

The tests are the standard climatic cyling tests as far as I'm aware.

Weld crimps can be made by hand. The crux of the matter is that the
smaller the contact area, the higher the pressure. Hand weld crimpers
have a very small contact patch to produce the weld and are expensive.

Normal crimpers (like those you buy in Halfords) are in my opinion
totally useless for long term contacts. A good ratchet crimper produces
a far better result with less effort for under 20 pounds and will last a
lifetime in a domestic environment.

I have to say that I hate soldering outside - I do a lot of electronic
and electrical work but soldered joints made outside, when it's
drizzling and the wind blowing, especially in failing light, are the
spawn of the devil!

-- 
Andy Gardiner

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From: gwinston@cisco.com (Graham Winstone)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:02:58 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: Auto Boxes

Andy Gardiner wrote:
  I believed that auto boxes gave more control off-road as they don't
  suffer from harsh gearchanges and the torque delivery is far better - ie
  it's more difficult to spin the wheels. However they do suffer from lack
  of engine braking so there you have to learn to drive by fiddling the
  brake and accelerator to lock up the torque convertor.

The auto box in the V8 50th gave perfect control on hill decents.  With
the box locked into 1 or 2, I always felt in control going down some
very slippery muddy decents.

- Graham

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From: "Peter Estibeiro" <petere@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:44:25 +0000
Subject: Re: 100 % original

> >has anybody heared of a sticker for LandRovers with the words: ' 100%
> BMW-part free' ? A friend of mine told me that it is
> >available in the UK. Could someone maybe get me an adress where I can buy
> it or even send me one to Germany? I'll pay for it,
> >of course. It's just that I want to show that my Disco is still originally
> LandRover!
Far more fun to go the other way.  There's currently a 3.5 L straight 
6 from a BMW M5 in my local paper complete with ecu and all 
ancilliaries.  I fancy that in my series I.  Now that BMW owns LR 
could I RTV it under ARC rules?  I jest, but I am thinking of 
putting a BMW badge on it to cause indignant spluttering at the next 
club outing:-)

Cheers
Peter (Three BMWs: 1982 316, 1983 series III 109, 1956 series 1 86")

Peter Estibeiro
Membrane Biology Group
Department of Biomedical Science
University of Edinburgh
Edinburgh EH8 9XD
tel: 44 131 6503731
fax: 44 131 6503711
email peter.estibeiro@ed.ac.uk

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From: "Peter Dowson" <Peter.Dowson@softwareag.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:53:22 -0000
Subject: Re: Auto Boxes

>What you are suggesting is that you should put the vehicle in reverse
>and accelerate 'up' the hill. I would imagine that this would work until
>the torque convertor locked up, the wheels lost traction or the engine
>stalled and you ended up in uncontrolled descent. Going forwards, first
>gear and locked torque convertor seems far safer to me.

Nah, what I am suggesting (actually seen written up somewhere) is for
controlled hill descent. You come down forwards with the auto in reverse.
The torque converter will only allow for a certain no. of revs so by
accelerating you can control where and when the torque converter starts to
lock. I've never tried it as I prefer a manual, much more fun as in the case
of descending a 1:1 in my 88" S1 when the transfer lever jumped into
neutral - didn't notice initially as the rest of the transmission drag meant
that acceleration was fairly sluggish. The bottom of the hill fortunately
had a long run off area so no harm was physically done to anything (the
nerves of the passenger and driver suffered a little).

Peter

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:01:35 EST
Subject: Re: 100 % original

No, haven't seen the BMW sticker, but a fellow lister is providing green hang
tags that state "Y2K Compliant - Do Not Remove" which nicely accessorize your
Series vehicle.

If someone finds a source for the BMW stickers, put me on the list for three.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 15:47:48 +0100
Subject: Scrimping crimping

Those ælittle hand crimp pliers from Ha***ds are useless. Years ago I
invested in an expensive Ampliversal crimper - constructed usinmg a mole
vice frame - this unit strips and crimpts and does it properly - I have
had it for 16 years and I can't recommend anything better.

Adrian Redmond

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 15:52:26 +0100
Subject: Re: 100 % original

I think this sticker is available from BMW - part # 293949994826662Z

:-)

Adrian Redmond

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:41:32 +0000
Subject: Re: Scrimping crimping

>Those Êlittle hand crimp pliers from Ha***ds are useless.
Regularly shop at Harrods do you Adrian?:-)

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Andrew Baker <Andrew_Baker@mitel.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:57:05 -0000
Subject: RE: Scrimping crimping

When I re-wired my 109, I used the multi-pole connectors from Mo***gos
or Me***os and I crimp/soldered each connection, never had an electrical
problem since.

Andrew B

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From: The Bickertons <Bickerton@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:03:37 -0500
Subject: 2.25 diesel starting probs

Well, I've changed the O-ring around the water drain plug, and it's going
longer between needing bleeding now (5hrs is OK, 12hrs is not). I've bought
a new filter and all the associated seals, because if I change this and
solve the problem then I don't have to try and remove any fuel pipes, which
won't be fun.

Thanks to all the people who've responded to my problem. Fingers crossed
it's getting better. The annoying part is that even if I've fixed it, it
needs to sit overnight drawing in air so diagnosis is taking FOREVER!

BTW to those who asked, those who want to know and the terminally lonely
(like me then...), Dad bought the heap for 500 of your english pounds. (I'm
going to measure performance as top speed, coz I find it's the most
quantitative measure short of a dyno). As far as the engine goes, I pulled
the dipstick and changed the oil coz it was nasty and black. Dad works for
a diesel engine company, and a group decision from their engineers decided
that it was retarded, so they got the spanners out, and took the top speed
from 50~55mph to around 15. This was not good, so we sent the pump off for
reconditioning to Bosch UK. They kindly threw it in the bin for me, and
despatched a new one, and because it was for Dad they screwed, filed and
drilled special bits, so it's now one of the few that'll do ~5500rpm, has a
bit more on the end of the rack for even more fuel delivery, and still has
the OEM lead seals. 

I slapped this on, bled the whole caboodle and fired up. Now it would
achieve 55mph again, but I was worried that Iraq might see the white smoke
screen and assume war had been declared. In the interest of world peace I
advanced the timing of the pump (further away from the pointer, but I
wasn't fooled by the subversive measures in the first place!). Guesswork
rather than trial and error put the pump where it is now, and it seems
happy (noisy, but happy) doing 68-70 on the flat with 205x16 tyres, and
I've had 65 on the clock with the 750's (78mph in real money if my maths is
correct). That was at the bottom of a beeg hill, but it held it all the way
along the flat at the bottom (until the 30 zone). Lucky there was noone
coming, because it was doing the random lane-change thing. Scary. Other
than the smartarse pump and an oil change (2000 miles ago - about due again
then) my servicing has been limited to a bleed a day recently and putting
diesel in the tank and oil in the top. I've had the rocker cover off once
for public interest, looking for why the oil issues forth from here, down
onto the exh. manifold under heavy load (Mmmm - donuts? No, 20W40. Mmmmm.)
Rocker cover and crank rear seal combined, it goes from H to halfway
between L and MIN every 100 miles.

If the back axle doesn't leak, is it empty? Don't worry - I've always got
the front, and that leaks like a DUKW so there's oil in there!

Cheers,
John B

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 19:53:07 +0100
Subject: I did it!

Well folks! I did it! I have just bought a brand new Defender 110 County
statio wagon wityh the 300 Tdi motor, nice seats, sun-roof, and all the
works.

So now this is a LR only household! This will be a fun weekend!

Adrian Redmond

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From: Jan Schokker <janjan@xs4all.nl>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 20:54:40 +0100
Subject: Re: hi-lift goes up, not down

At 15:58 1-03-99 +0000, Ian wrote:
>Jan Schokker wrote:
>> Going up is no problem, but lowering the load is possible only when I push
>> the lower half of the sliding part down bij hand. If I don't do this the
>> pegs don't engage in their holes and the handle blocks.
>Do they not slide out, or not slide in

Tonight I have been experimenting some more. 
The lower peg doesn't slide out. Although the jack is new and looks well
greased I put some silicone spray on the mechanism and bar but that changed
nothing.
It seems not to be a question of running dry or something, because I can
lower the handle to 45 degrees and then it just stops and feels solid.
When you put the handle all the way up the lower peg sticks out. I found out
(I guess this is the do-not-try-this-at-home-part) that when I keep the peg
pulled out with my fingers to get it started the jack works fine!
It looks like The sliding part that goes up and down when you switch between
raising and lowering isn't getting low enough. The part of it that is
supposed to push the peg out is not reaching the peg. Is anyone still
reading this? Will I ever find out?
Anyway, I begin to suspect something is seriously wrong here..

Thanks for your patience and input,

Jan.

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From: Jan Schokker <janjan@xs4all.nl>
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 20:56:06 +0100
Subject: Re: I did it!

At 19:53 3-03-99 +0100, you wrote:
>Well folks! I did it! I have just bought a brand new Defender 110 County
>statio wagon wityh the 300 Tdi motor, nice seats, sun-roof, and all the
>works.
>So now this is a LR only household! This will be a fun weekend!

Congratulations Adrian!
I am just a little bit jealous.

Jan.

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From: "Rich" <Rich@Llanthony.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:00:19 -0000
Subject: RE: Freelander CD-changer

If it is anything like the one in my MG it is an obsolete model that is only
supplied to Rover, and is incompatible with any available models - i.e. the
dashboard unit will only work with the CD Player that Rover supply.

I found it cheaper to buy a complete Alpine system (header and changer) than
to fit the Rover changer....

Obviously it may be different with LandRover.... <g>

Cheers
Rich

> Is there a substitute to the LRO CD-changer for the Freelander. I have
> read somewhere the radio is a Philips,so...!?
> Martin

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From: "Dave White" <dave@bang.demon.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:46:29 -0000
Subject: Re: Defender station wagons

>> They all leak... but who cares?... 
>Oh no they don't!  Granted, virtually all land rovers I've had 
>contact with over.. cough..cough.. years have (of course) leaked but 
>our present 110 is the absolute antithesis of this and has NO leaks  
>(YET! I hear you shout).  Seriously though, LR are actually capable 
>of producing  vehicles with decent doors seals.  I have no way of 
>course of knowing if ours is the only one in existence though!  :-)

Evidently there is no oil in it then :-) they all stop leaking when empty!

Dave White
'82 V8 Stage 1 SW (Light Green)
'69 2.6 LWB 2A (in bits)

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From: Magnus.Pettersson@ecs.ericsson.se
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 08:40:51 +0100
Subject: LDH rangie

Dear list

Since I'm living in a country (Sweden) who normally have the steering wheel
on the "wrong side" and 
very few range rovers I'm considering if there are any (LHD rangies) for
sale in UK? (Price £ 4000-6000+)

Knowledge anyone?

Regards Magnus 

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