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From: "Peter Dowson" <Peter.Dowson@softwareag.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:28:49 -0000
Subject: Re: Absent friends?

>seem to be many of our firends who are absent - I'm thuinking of Dixon
>Kenner, Ned Heite, Peter Hirsch, and Frank Elson - have they founded
>another pub, or are they just waiting for a tow home?

Well I know that Peter unsubscribed so he could try and spend more time with
his 107" SW. He is on another LR list but that one is S1 oriented and gets a
little less mail through it.

Peter Dowson
S1 80"

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:44:05 -0000
Subject: Re: I did it!

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:10:07 -0000
Subject: Re: I did it!

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From: gwinston@cisco.com (Graham Winstone)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:39:01 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: Prepping a defender

Adrian Redmond wrote:
  And can a coil-owner still drink in this bar with all the series folks?
  I don't really want to have to go into the saloon with the discos and
  rangie types - my hands and shoes are too dirty - and likely to remain
  that way!

Adrian,

I've owned nothing but coilers, and the list still talks to me, but one
day soon I hope to enjoy the pain and suffering of the other members of
the list.  But, they just hold their damn price to well, so the piggy
bank never gets full enough before we have an emergency and the wife
spends it all at Marks & Spencers.  If I could have it my way, we would
all live off the oxfam shop so that I could have my indulgences...

Enjoy the 110 - A superb wagon.  Shame about the build quality though.

- Graham

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From: "Iain Tennant" <i.r.tennant@dundee.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:15:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Prepping a defender

Adrian wrote:
>   And can a coil-owner still drink in this bar with all the series folks?

Given that you still have a leafer you must surely still qualify for  
full membership while, although I'm fully "Series time-served" I'm 
afraid it's associate membership only for me and the rest of  us soft 
(and, have I mentioned before, warm) leafless owners.  This 
of course means that we're not allowed  to buy drinks at the bar  :-)

and Graham spoke:
> Enjoy the 110 - A superb wagon.  Shame about the build quality though.

Absolutely, on all 3 counts.  Had the column cowling off yesterday to 
re-attach the headlight light switch because someone at Solihull 
is incapable of tightening a nut properly. 

Enjoy! 

By the way,  Geoff,  (lights blue touch paper) Have you read what 
David Phillips said about the 200Tdi in the new LRO (p31) in his run 
up to pronouncing that "the TD5 is the last word in Land Rover 
utilities so far"  

Stands well back,  covers ears.

I agree with his comment on the Defender's "ridiculous front seat 
layout" though.

Regards,

Iain

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From: Oliver Gottlob <dg5dbv@gmx.de>
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:35:11 +0100 (MET)
Subject: congrats

Hello Adrian, Hello all,

congrats to the new Landrover. Do you go to a strip down now ?

In the past I use rust-protecting primer (two-times) and two times of
black paint. After this winter (with a lot of salt on the streets I found that
the paint had gone on serveral points and the highpressure washer removed
also a lot of paint. I think the problem is that the whole paint (primer and
top) dont stick so much on the steel. (I removed all underseal to the bare
steel and degreased it carefully a few years ago)
I spoke to the guy at our local marine, boatshop, shipyard and 
he says that the best paint for boats and for the Landrover chassis
is epoxy 2-pack primer and polyuretane 2-pack paint. 

What do you think. Is he right? Will this 2-pack stuff be high-pressure
washer steady ?

Bye Bye 

Oli 

"one of: the chassis must be black paint purists" ;-)

1976 Landrover 109 Diesel (2,25l) "slow & smokey"
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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:02:49 -0000
Subject: Re: Mail failure

The server has gone, and Gary cant unsubscribe (I think).

[spamkill: [Pp]lease [Dd]elete input: %s]	 Bill... if you see this one, 
please delete gary from the list.
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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:03:19 -0000
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Mail failure

>>Is it just me or is anyone else getting a single mail bounce from
>>POSTMASTER@lngcb4.agw.bt.co.uk
>Yes!

>The user has probably left the company and his account has been deleted,
without
>bothering to un-subscribe first. Hence the bounce-back.

He is still here...

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

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'84 110 CSW - Green & Clean
'73 Lightweight V6 - All in bits

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:23:55 -0000
Subject: Re: Frank

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:30:02 -0000
Subject: Re: Nice one Adrian !

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:32:47 -0000
Subject: Re: congrats

>I spoke to the guy at our local marine, boatshop, shipyard and 
>he says that the best paint for boats and for the Landrover chassis
>is epoxy 2-pack primer and polyuretane 2-pack paint. 

Marine paint is usually quite good.

How about using "stone chip" stuff.... anyone tried it?

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

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'84 110 CSW - Green & Clean
'73 Lightweight V6 - All in bits

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From: "Peter Estibeiro" <petere@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:12:05 +0000
Subject: Re: congrats

Geoff wrote:
> How about using "stone chip" stuff.... anyone tried it?

I've got it on the sills of Kaths BMW.  Its OK but not at all 
anti-corrosive in itself, so needs a couple of coats of zinc primer 
under it and a coat of top coat to seal it.  Does seem to absorb 
stone impact though.

Cheers
Peter.

 
Peter Estibeiro
Membrane Biology Group
Department of Biomedical Science
University of Edinburgh
Edinburgh EH8 9XD
tel: 44 131 6503731
fax: 44 131 6503711
email peter.estibeiro@ed.ac.uk

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From: jason <lists@heaven.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:41:32 +0000
Subject: Engine swapping

Hi people,

I've a 1985 2.25ltr petrol Defender 90, and have been thinking about
swapping the endjinn for a TD of some description!  Apart from the y2k
problem <g> I'd also like to see a bit better fuel consumption.  So far,
advice has been that a TD would give between 22 and 28 mpg (compared
with the 12 - 20 the petrol sucks up).  Given the number of miles SO and
me drive per year, the fuel savings on those figures would pay for the
change in just over a year!

So, are there any obvious problems associated with this kind of
activity?  Are we likely to see any power improvements - the beast does
a cool 65 - 70 on the flat (on the motorway) with its current engine.
Any gotchas?

Awaiting howls of derision :-)

Jason
-- 
[B] Defender 90
    
                                                   McQ
I feel a really sharp knife solves most problems - D.S.

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:46:24 -0000
Subject: Re: Engine swapping

I've a 1985 2.25ltr petrol Defender 90, and have been thinking about
swapping the endjinn for a TD of some description!  Apart from the y2k
problem <g> I'd also like to see a bit better fuel consumption.  So far,
advice has been that a TD would give between 22 and 28 mpg (compared
with the 12 - 20 the petrol sucks up).  Given the number of miles SO and
me drive per year, the fuel savings on those figures would pay for the
change in just over a year!

Right..

I did this with a 84' 110 CSW NA Diesel

Apart from the fuel pipe possible needing a return line It should be just a
nut and bolt job, mine was.

I used all 110 stock parts, and it was easy.

I dont know if the engine mountings will need to be changed, but I doubt it.
What gearbox has it got?... 5 speed LT77 (no prob if it is).

You will need to mount a fuel filter on the bulkhead (couple of built in
nuts in the Bhead for that)
The wiring is dead easy, usual  senders, some heavy wiring WILL be required
for the heaters,
Stick in a 200 Tdi plenty available at not too great a cost.

Use a stock 90 Tdi exhaust,

You will need the later rad with the intercooler. 300 UKP new, so make sure
you get one with the engine.
Tdi Starters are expensive 160ukp, get one with the engine!

I have a complete list of bit to do it for a 110.
Its all the silly little brackets and bits that add up.
I may be able to find the list and let you have a copy.
Do bear in mind that its for a 110, but with a parts book,you can work it
all out.

It took me two evenings prep, and two days and evenings to complete it.
I was working alone and in the back garden.

Its a good mod, I get 26-27 Mpg driving normally, 22 mpg with a 1 ton
caravan (60+Mpg) and 19Mpg in Cornwall with the Van.
Thats over a period of 3 years and 36K miles with 3+K towing.

I would take advice from one of the engine changers in LRO mag, ring them up
and say, I am thinking of doing a swap out, I just want you to supply the
mil, and ask them about mountings, petrol tanks (second hole in it for
diesel return line), etc etc

Just make sure you get all the bits with the engine!.
I have a crate of bits!...
I paid 4.4K ukp for a new 200Tdi Mill, ALL the bits complete exhaust, rad,
intercooler, ALL pipes, jubilee clips, nylon tie wraps, right down to the
"Tdi" sticker for the wing.

I recon there was over a grands worth of parts (all genuine of course).

Let me know, and I will dig out the list if I can find it.
I can scan it in and mail it to you. It will give you a good starting point.

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

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'84 110 CSW - Green & Clean
'73 Lightweight V6 - All in bits

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:54:45 -0000
Subject: Re: congrats

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 15:20:49 +0100
Subject: Galvanised chassis

Anyone out there with a several year old chassis which was glavanised
inside and out from new, who hasn't painted the chassis? How does it
keep after a few years.

My new chassis arrived today, and I am reluctant to paint it - why start
a tradition which will only take several days of my time every couple of
years to maintain?

On the other hand, is there anyone there who HAS painted a galv chassis?
How did that keep? Did the paint begin to flake off?

What's the experience on this one?
 
Adrian Redmond

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 15:23:18 +0100
Subject: Drowning in Rovers

There will not be a strip down on the D110 CSW this year - this vehicle
must be on the road and working fast.

Anyway, today I'm drowning in Rovers - my new Series III 109 galvanised
chassis arrived from the UK this morning, so the weekend agenda is to
get the axles, springs, wheels and hubs, engine, gearbox, firewall, fuel
tank and tranny's mounted - to make a little more space in the workshop
for the D110 which arrives later today - that has to have the equipment
bay in the back end fitted before it can be inspected by the customs
people next week.

By the middle of next week even I will be tired of Rovers - especially
black enamel paint and light green.

This will be a fun weekend!
 
Adrian Redmond

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From: gary.vale@bt.com
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:01:21 -0000 
Subject: sorry ( no LR content)

Sorry about all the bouncing mail messages 
But I hope that the major will remove my old email address from the server
That is if Bill has not gone to sleep 

Gary 
90 CSW 

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From: Anthony Cornell-Hewlett <Tony.Cornell-Hewlett@Bristol.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 15:40:20 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: Mail failure

Yep I get a bounced error back also

Regards

TONY C-H
1987 V8 90 county

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From: "Matthew Reeve & Mel Mauger" <blatchwood@btinternet.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:26:22 -0000
Subject: Re: Prepping a defender

>And can a coil-owner still drink in this bar with all the series folks?
>I don't really want to have to go into the saloon with the discos and
>rangie types - my hands and shoes are too dirty - and likely to remain
>that way!
>Adrian Redmond

I certainly hope so, if not I'm about to get a meeting with the bouncers <g>

Matthew
UK, nr Heathrow
1979 2-dr Range Rover 300Tdi

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From: JPitcher@sperry-sun.com
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:50:51 -0600
Subject: Which carburettor ?

     The best thing to do is to get a reconditioned Zenith from Greenways 
     Engineering in Somerset (01749 860267). I've got a Weber fitted at the 
     moment and according to form it strangles the engine cos the body is 
     too small. These guy's remanufacture carbs and fix the low tickover 
     fueling problems of the originals. They also give a lifetime warranty 
     of their work. Don't get a new Zenith as they are terrible quality. 
     I'll be getting one of their carbs in the next month or so. I don't 
     have any connection with this outfit, incidentally.
     
     Jason
     
     1970 Siia
     1986 Rangie

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 02:40:07 +0100
Subject: A Roverly day

This has been a somewhat Roverly day. Nine o'clock this morning my new
galvanised chassis arrived, and I've spent the day painting the last
parts before the assembly this weekend and next week. Besides a new
galv. frame, all steel parts (firewall, rad panel, firewall chassis
supports, oil filter and battery tray, steering rods, hinges, U'bolt
shoe-plates, fuel tank, inner wing mudguards, door sills, and lots of
brackets) have been sandblasted and metalised. Besides rendering the
steel rustproff, sandblasting (with fine steel shot) and metalising
makes the surface 100% clean and rough, which means that the metal
really takes to paint. I've sprayed the parts with red oxide rust
preventer this evening, tomorrow they get two or three coats of black or
green.

Apart from the engine block and gearbox, both of which were rebuilt a
couple of years ago and are running fine, every other part on the
vehicle has been dismantled totally - stripped, cleaned, degreased,
washed, painted and reassembled. All bearings and gaskets have been
replaced, new swivel balls and tie rod ends fitted and new nuts and
bolts throughout. The entire exhaust system is being replaced and the
new one gets two coats of 650°C resistant paint. The engine and
peripheral parts have been painted bit by bit. All that remains -
besides assembly, is to beat a few dents out of the front wings, and
paint the bodywork light green before assembly.

So the 109 is well on the way to being fully rebuilt and on the road
again. Originally from 1976 - a youngster compared with some of the
vehicles which figure on this list - I bought her in 1984, my first
Rover. This rebuild - more so than the rebuild of the 88" last summer,
proves that given free labour, a Rover can be brought back to life.
Doing the work oneself means that many features end up far better than
when the vehicle was new.

And to top it all, the day ended with the delivery of our new Defender
110 CSW (Woodcote metallic green) It's a real beauty, and I'm looking
forward to driving it - but first, before it can be registered, it must
be fitted with space for our film equipment, so without number plates,
the farthest I can drive is around the yard from the workshop to the
house - I've made that run several times this evening!

My wife identified a typical Rover enthusiast situation this evening. My
dealer/mechanic Marius Bertelsen arrived with the Defender, and instead
of us both admiring the new investment, we both dived into the workshop
to admire and gloat over the 109" chassis. Marius sold me the 109 in
1984, followed by the 88 in 1985 and another 88 a couple of years ago.
It's taken me 15 years to bring the three of them up to tip-top
condition, and it's taken him 15 years to get me to buy a brand new car.
Hanne came over to the workshop to see the Defender, and there we were,
admiring every detail on the 109 chassis and motor rebuild, whilst the
Defender stood out in the rain. I tried to explain that the defender
isn't mine yet - well it doesn't feel like mine - we've bought it, but
until I've stripped it and rebuilt it, which will be in about 5 or 6
years, then it'll be just another Rover! (Although a warm, fast,
comfortable and presentable Rover to boot!)

Anyway - that was Friday - I like Fridays (at least when they're like
this)

Have a good weekend's rovering folks

:-)

Adrian Redmond

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From: "Kevin Whitmarsh" <kevin@kwhitmarsh.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 01:46:23 -0000
Subject: Re: Sump Plug Spanner

Hmmm,   I thought my 110 V8 is 1.25"

rgds
Kevin

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