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From: Andrew Baker <Andrew_Baker@mitel.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:27:26 -0000
Subject: Range-Rovers

pleasure of sitting in a 1976 V8 range rover. I was working with Raynet
who were providing search and rescue for a walk across Exmoor to raise
money for cancer research ?232K.

Those rangies are much quieter than my S3, and quite comfortable,
although I was a bit concerned how many people we could fit in, my S3
can take 9 (legally), but we managed 11 in a rangie, 5 crew and a team
of 6 exhausted walkers. Fully loaded we then had to negotiate a 2 mile
narrow muddy track, the walkers were now in high spirits but I was
uneasy as I'd seen the drop to the river in the day-light and the track
was starting to cut up!

All good fun though, can't wait till next year.

All good fun though
Andrew
M1DJX

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From: gary.vale@bt.com
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:38:00 -0000 
Subject: overheating 

I am having some problems with overheating  on my 300 tdi
I have tried a new thermostat a new temp sender unit I have had the radiator
out this weekend and back flushed the rad and the engine, no rusty water etc
The rad feels cold if I put my hand on it after a good run. The top and
bottom hose feels warm and I guess the fan must be working it has some
resistance to it 
If I turn it by hand and the temp goes from hot to normal ish if I let the
engine tick over  for a while it only gets very hot if I am going over 45-50
ish ..and I seems to warm Up very quickly from cold. 
Has any one got any other ideas that I could try or am I missing something
far too obvious ???

Regards 
Gary 90 CSW 

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From: gary.vale@bt.com
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:57:25 -0000 
Subject: 

Who uk-lro

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From: peter.thoren@genetik.uu.se (Peter =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thor=E9n?= )
Date: 	Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:15:26 +0100
Subject: Re: overheating

Maybe the waterpump is starting to go bad?

Peter

Peter Thoren, PhD
Department of Conservation Biology and Genetics
Evolutionary Biology Centre, University of Uppsala
Box 7003, S-750 07 Uppsala, Sweden
Fax +46 18 67 27 05
Tel +46 18 67 12 69, 67 26 64
e-mail: peter.thoren@genetik.uu.se

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:58:39 -0000
Subject: Re: spare wheel

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From: "Peter Estibeiro" <petere@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:06:33 +0000
Subject: Re: Prepping a defender

> I certainly hope so, if not I'm about to get a meeting with the bouncers <g>
Is that as apposed to the 
remain-absolutely-rigid-and-rattle-your-teethers? :-)

Peter.

Peter Estibeiro
Membrane Biology Group
Department of Biomedical Science
University of Edinburgh
Edinburgh EH8 9XD
tel: 44 131 6503731
fax: 44 131 6503711
email peter.estibeiro@ed.ac.uk

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From: "Peter Dowson" <Peter.Dowson@softwareag.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:13:05 -0000
Subject: Re: spare wheel

Also, don't forget that spare wheels are not light and having it bonnet
mounted makes opening the bonnet a fitness exercise. If you are working
under the bonnet do you really want all that weight sitting above your head?
My 88" S1 used to have the wheel here and I always put extra support in
 two broom handles cut to length ) when doing minor things under there.
Anything taking longer I used to remove wheel (and bonnet - easy on a S1 ).

I know that S1 bonnets will crack with the weight - have L/R fixed this
problem over the years or are you just moving the problem from the rear door
to the bonnet hinges etc.

Peter Dowson
S1 80"

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From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 10:57:38 +0000
Subject: Re: spare wheel

Neill Hogarth wrote:
> When I bought my new (old) LR the whell was mounted on the
> bonnet which seems the sensible place, back doors being what
> they are.

I am prejudiced, I like the look of Landies with the spare wheel on the
bonnet.
That said, all the Land Rovers I have had over the last 19 years (2
Series IIa 88", a Series III 88" and the Series III 109", not to mention
the IIa 88" in 1973!) have had the wheels on the bonnet with no problems
at all with the bonnet hinges or the bonnets themselves either warping
or cracking due to the weight.
The Series III 109" has the heaviest wheel I have owned but I still have
no problem lifting the bonnet, it is heavy no doubt about that but not
too heavy. I usually check under there at least once a week and for the
last few months practically every day ( due to a loss of water from the
rad, which now thanks to the list appears to be cured!).
Keeping the bolt threads greased means it is not to difficult to get the
wheel on and off.
The bonnet support is, I have found, very stable just a matter of
lubrication and checking the split-pin regularly.
>From all the comments about rear door mounts there is no way I would put
my spare on the back door, a separate mounting bracket maybe, but not on
the door even with an extra hinge.
 But that's just me, my mate Dunk has his on the back door and has had
no problems for the last 2 years.

Mick Forster
1972 109" Series III Safari 2.25 petrol 
1963 88" Series IIa 2.25 petrol
http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~mick/landpics.html

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From: John Strang <john.strang@bbc.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:04:15 -0000 
Subject: RE: spare wheel Mount

	Hi Guys:

	My series III has the bonnet mount kit, but I prefer to keep the
spare inside the car (Yep, had a spare nicked in the past).. 
	Only thing I'd say to Neil, who was thinking of fabricating his own,
is the official kit has bonnet strengthening, which is needed! as Geof
commented its a lot of weight
	it also slightly limited visibility, but thats not a strong point in
a Series III hardtop anyhow :-)

	Strange John	john.strang@bbc.co.uk(Nr Heathrow)
	1994 LSE
	1976 SIII
	1998 Speed III

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From: Wendy McCulloch <wendy.mcculloch@tradition.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 12:41:48 +0000
Subject: (no subject)

i would like to know whom and where I can direct complaints regarding
Land Rover to

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From: Andrew Baker <Andrew_Baker@mitel.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:29:26 -0000
Subject: RE: spare wheel

I used a rear door mounting kit to fix my spare to the bonnet, it looks
nice up there, but had a few visibility problems off-road so I moved it
to the roof. After Geoff's comment I'm quite glad I did, although now
I'm worried about it flying off the roof and hitting a granny 3 cars in
front :-(

Andrew

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From: "Peter Dowson" <Peter.Dowson@softwareag.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:00:08 -0000
Subject: Re: spare wheel

Andrew Baker wrote :-

>I used a rear door mounting kit to fix my spare to the bonnet, it looks
>nice up there, but had a few visibility problems off-road so I moved it
>to the roof. After Geoff's comment I'm quite glad I did, although now
>I'm worried about it flying off the roof and hitting a granny 3 cars in
>front :-(

Mind you, putting it on the roof raises the center of gravity of the vehicle
which is possibly more important off road than on.

So where should we put it - the rear causes the door to break,
- the roof cause too high a CofG
- the bonnet reduces visibility and can cause the bonnet to break
- inside takes up too much room

Peter Dowson
S1 80"

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:07:49 -0000
Subject: Re: spare wheel

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From: gwinston@cisco.com (Graham Winstone)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:07:28 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: spare wheel

Peter Dowson wrote:
  So where should we put it - the rear causes the door to break,
  - the roof cause too high a CofG
  - the bonnet reduces visibility and can cause the bonnet to break
  - inside takes up too much room
  
Peter, How about one bolted on each side of the vehicle to balance
it nicely :-)

- Graham

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:15:16 -0000
Subject: Re: (no subject)

You could post them to Land Rover Direct, but what make and model do you
have, and how old...
We will always listen to your complaints (plenty of whingers on here) but
wee may not be able to help you with a factory fix!...

if its an old LR then we will talk about it all day! (and even for the newer
ones as well).

Anybody got the address of the complaints dept at lode Lane?

OR.... email to watchdog@bbc.co.uk

or judy@itv.co.uk  (Their version of watchdog)

Land Rover are still working in the 50's and probably havent heard of
computers let alone Email or the Internet!.

Let us know how you get on, and what the problems are, there is pleanty of
experience here on the list.

We like to have a good laugh, so ignore the inane comments from people like
myself!!
But we may know of some of the problems and have done cheap or simple fixes
for them.
Franchise dealers tend to be expensive!.

Post the probs here, and we may have some answers or advide on what to do...

I am sure the rest of the list members will have something to add.

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

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'84 110 CSW - Green & Clean
'73 Lightweight V6 - All in bits

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From: Andrew Baker <Andrew_Baker@mitel.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:13:30 -0000
Subject: RE: (no subject)

Wendy Write:
i would like to know whom and where I can direct complaints regarding
Land Rover to

Ok, I'll be the first to ask, why would you want to complain?

Andrew B

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:26:14 -0000
Subject: Re: spare wheel

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From: "Iain Tennant" <i.r.tennant@dundee.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:21:45 GMT
Subject: Re: I did it!

Geoff wrote:-
> Evidently holland is one of the cheaper places
> But the dont sell new 25 year old land rovers!

'sfunny,  they did 25 years ago.  :-)

On the box over the weekend, guy closed a deal with a Dutch LR 
dealer for a new disco at a saving of  >6K UKP.   The dealer pulled 
out at the last moment saying he'd been threatened with losing his 
franchise if he went ahead with the sale.  LR were quoted as having 
denied this.  Who do we believe?

Out of interest, the EU imposed an 85 million ECU fine on VW last 
year for exactly this sort of tactic. 

Regards,

Iain

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From: "Iain Tennant" <i.r.tennant@dundee.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:40:13 GMT
Subject: Re: spare wheel

> Peter, How about one bolted on each side of the vehicle to balance
> it nicely :-)

MOD-spec Defender (Wolf ?) has it mounted on the side.  Army drivers 
are obviously specially trained to cope with the imbalance....  or is 
it imbalanced enough to cope..   something like it anyway  :-)

Would a civvy landie get away with the spare mounted like this?

Regards,

Iain

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From: AVAC11@aol.com
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:47:14 EST
Subject: Re: spare wheel

In a message dated 08/03/99 11:00:11 GMT Normalzeit,
cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk writes:

> The Series III 109" has the heaviest wheel I have owned but I still have
>  no problem lifting the bonnet, it is heavy no doubt about that but not
>  too heavy. I usually check under there at least once a week and for the
>  last few months practically every day ( due to a loss of water from the
>  rad, which now thanks to the list appears to be cured!).
>  Keeping the bolt threads greased means it is not to difficult to get the
>  wheel on and off.

I had it on the bonnet on my SIII lwb, no problem with the hinges, but in case
the thing is riveted to the bonnet, check the rivets, I had my carrier nearly
come off as the rivets corroded through...found out when I saw a gap when
lifting the bonnet for the usual oil check.

Gernot

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:16:51 +0000
Subject: Re: spare wheel

>So where should we put it - the rear causes the door to break,
>- the roof cause too high a CofG
>- the bonnet reduces visibility and can cause the bonnet to break
>- inside takes up too much room

Tow it behind on a little trolley???

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "Peter Dowson" <Peter.Dowson@softwareag.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:26:54 -0000
Subject: Re: spare wheel

Mike Rooth wrote :-
>>So where should we put it - the rear causes the door to break,
>>- the roof cause too high a CofG
>>- the bonnet reduces visibility and can cause the bonnet to break
>>- inside takes up too much room
>Tow it behind on a little trolley???

It's funny you should say that. I live near the L/R road test route and
regularly see vehicles from the factory on their daily run. They are often
towing a trailer with the spare wheel bolted to the top. This must be the
place to put it. Then, of course, when you go off-road, you use a pto driven
trailer and have six wheel drive ;-) Of course, on the first sharp turn the
trailer will probably push the vehicle over :-(

Peter Dowson
S1 80" - spare wheel bolted to back of seat bulkhead - there is even a
trough in the floor for it to sit in ;-). ONly trouble is it takes about a
third of the load space on an 80" :-(

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From: "T.D.I.Stevenson" <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:34:37 -0000
Subject: Re: Prepping a defender

Spray anti-corrosion treatment of your choice into the bulkhead and all the
box sections of the door frames, bonnet etc. You can get good coverage
inside the bulkhead in the vent area by removing one of the fixing screws
for the top hinge to get access for the spray probe.

Tom Stevenson
University Marine Biological Station, Millport, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland
Tel: 01475 530581  Fax: 01475 530601  Email: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
Web page: http://www.gla.ac.uk/Acad/Marine/

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:50:24 +0000
Subject: Re: spare wheel

Peter disposes:

 Of course, on the first sharp turn the
>trailer will probably push the vehicle over :-(
 ONly trouble is it takes about a
>third of the load space on an 80" :-(
Oh well that's it then.The only option left appears to be
mounted on the front bumper with the top slanted outwards
a la Pink Panther.Hit anything you'd probably bounce off.

Saw the ultimate foolishness the other day.Fiat Panda with
a Bull (Calf?) Bar.And it wasnt the 4X4 version either.

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 15:54:47 +0100
Subject: Complaints (was: (no subject)

Complaints should be addressed to Nissen UK, London

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From: "Peter Dowson" <Peter.Dowson@softwareag.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:00:56 -0000
Subject: Re: spare wheel

I think you have got the right method. Of course, Frank won't be happy when
we all paint our landrovers pink to go with the spare wheel location.

Peter Dowson
S1 80"

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From: "Peter Dowson" <Peter.Dowson@softwareag.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:01:53 -0000
Subject: Re: Complaints (was: (no subject)

Adrian Redmond wrote :-
>Complaints should be addressed to Nissen UK, London

Is this the "hut" that they use for the complaints department?

Peter Dowson
S1 80"

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From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 14:56:34 +0000
Subject: Re: spare wheel

Geoff Wilkin wrote:

> Hmmm... I drilled the split pin hole out to 1/8th ", and fitted an "R" clip,
> much easier to take off the bonnet, and more secure!...
> Just a thought,

 Brilliant thought, why didn't I think of that, ages ago?
Nice one Geoff, where can we get the 'R' clips from, do Halfords do
them?

Mick Forster
1972 109" Series III Safari 2.25 petrol 
1963 88" Series IIa 2.25 petrol
http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~mick/landpics.html

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 15:33:27 +0000
Subject: Re: spare wheel

>I think you have got the right method. Of course, Frank won't be happy when
>we all paint our landrovers pink to go with the spare wheel location.

With a GPMG mounted above the passenger seat,d'you think
he'd dare to argue?

Cheers
Mike Rooth
BTW was that the Chris Marsden we wot of on Countryfile yesterday?

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From: Johan Helsingius <Johan.Helsingius@EU.net>
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 18:49:10 +0100
Subject: Re: spare wheel

>I think you have got the right method. Of course, Frank won't be happy when
>we all paint our landrovers pink to go with the spare wheel location.

Does this mean I have the ideal configuration?

	Julf (with the green Panther)

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 18:03:17 -0000
Subject: Re: spare wheel

Got mine from the local Farmers shop, they sell Combines etc etc, tractor
paint etc....
[spamkill: [Mm]erchant input: %s]	 ie an agri merchant.
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From: "Neill Hogarth" <Neill.Hogarth@allgaeu.org>
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:31:51 +0100
Subject: spare wheel

Thank you all of you for the lively discussion about spare wheel 
mounting.

I admit I had not considered the granny in the back of a Panda 
(with calf bar) angle. Unfortunately it seems that no one knows of a 
source for second hand mounting kits or drawings so it seems like 
my Rover (BMW) handler is going to get richer and I will get poorer 
:-(

Neill Hogarth
Bright Orange 110 Station Wagon
OAL LR 32

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From: "John McMaster" <john@chiaroscuro.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:09:06 -0000
Subject: RE: spare wheel

I would have thought it sticks out from body too far, unless the wheelarches
count.....

john

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From: Gordonkerr@aol.com
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:00:31 EST
Subject: Re: (no subject)

In a message dated 08/03/99 12:45:14 GMT Standard Time,
wendy.mcculloch@tradition.co.uk writes:

> i would like to know whom and where I can direct complaints regarding
>  Land Rover to
  
Wendy

Welcome to the pub.

Now you know how difficult it can be to get a sensible answer round here, but
it's good fun nonetheless and as others have said you usually get the answer
eventually.

If you have a newish Land Rover and you want/need to contact them about a
problem try

Land Rover Customer Care
Lode Land
SOLIHULL
W Midlands
B29 8NW

Tel 0121 700 3636
Fax 0121 742 3790
No email as far as I know

I have found them helpful if you have a newish vehicle which has been serviced
by a dealer but a little less than interested otherwise.

Hope this helps

Gordon
98 Disco Tdi Safari - 87 90 V8 CSW
Bedford

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From: "John McMaster" <john@chiaroscuro.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:32:00 -0000
Subject: RE: spare wheel

This truncating is getting more extreme - is 6 lines too much to quote??

john

 

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From: Gunnar Stolpe <g.stolpe@tu-bs.de>
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 23:27:08 +0100
Subject: Re: spare wheel

> source for second hand mounting kits or drawings so it seems like
> my Rover (BMW) handler is going to get richer and I will get poorer
> :-(

Hey Neill,

have You tried the non-franchise dealers located in Germany ?
They usually can get everything a franchise dealer can get
(and more, because they have more experience than the
average BMW/Rover dealer) at much better prices, although
they are not quite as cheap as in the UK ...
If You need tel.nos./adresses  e-mail me directly.

Gunnar

Gunnar Stolpe                  LR  SIII '88 SW 2 1/4 Petrol (1977)
g.stolpe@tu-bs.de              ***        WL-GS 219            ***

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From: AVAC11@aol.com
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 18:03:36 EST
Subject: Re: spare wheel

In a message dated 08/03/99 18:03:42 GMT Normalzeit,
geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com writes:

>  Got mine from the local Farmers shop, they sell Combines etc etc, tractor

[spamkill: [Mm]erchant input: %s]	 >  Garbage in ie an agri merchant.
[spamkill: [Mm]erchant input: %s]	 >  ie an agri merchant.

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 01:14:21 +0100
Subject: Station wagon rear seats

I'm trying to remove my rear seats (three of them) in the back end of my
new 110 CSW - there are 10mm bolts through seat frame/brackets into the
tub, but I cannot see if the underside of these are captive, or just
hidden by the underseal. The bolt turns but doesn't seem to come up. I
didn't expect the seats to be just bolted through aluminium and carpet,
I expected some sort of anchor plate?

Has anyone tried to remove these and can tell me?

Adrian Redmond

          http://www.channel6.dk/native

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