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From: "Joost Kramer" <jkramer@best.ms.philips.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:10:38 +0100
Subject: Dwell angle

Hi all,

Is somebody able to tell me the dwell angle for the LR 6 cylinder?

Thanks,
Joost

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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=F8hlers=2C_Bent?= <Bent.Boehlers@WANG.COM>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:13:29 +0100
Subject: RE: sorry

It's Ok, meine Deutche grammatik ist auch nicht der schönste, dass
wichtigste ist das Wir dich verstehst.

Teilen ist oft preiswertiger aus ländern who der Landi mehr gewönlich ist
als in Deutchland. 
Versuche vom William in Dänemark einen preis zu kriegen.

William's  
Foulumvej 38  
9640 Farsø  
Tlf: (45) 98 63 44 41 

Grüss Gott

Bent Böhlers
Dänemark

> Subject: sorry

> Sorry about that. I meant to send that last German message 
> privately but pressed the wrong button. It wouldn't be so bad if it 
> was good German but unfortunately it wasn't! Like I said - sorry
> Neill Hogarth

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From: "Davidge, Anthony" <antony_davidge@merck.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 03:47:30 -0500
Subject: Coils and shocks - more details

The coils and shock will be on a 90, mainly road use 120 miles a days, with
reasonable green lanes and possibly in the future (by Billing??) towing a
small caravan - I'm getting too old for camping and the S2a gets most of the
real abuse.

It's noticeable now that the whole vehicle leans well in bends, it may
because I'm going that little bit quicker because of the Tdi or they really
are getting tired - or it's just a land-rover. I was hoping that the 'pub'
would have some ideas

Cheers Tony 

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From: Orlando_Scott-Cowley@watsonwyatt.co.uk
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:59:32 +0000
Subject: how many list subscribers does it take ? (NO LR CONTENT)

Apologies for the lack of Land Rover content I just could resist releasing this 
into the wild.

>   Q: How many list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? 
>   A: 1,331:
>   1 to change the light bulb and to post to the list that 
>   the light bulb has been changed.
>   14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and 
>   how the light bulb could have been changed differently.

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>   meant for, leave it here.
>   143 votes for alt.lite.bulb.
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From: Bruce Napier <b.napier@bangor.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:12:02 +0000
Subject: Major inDigestion

One of the highlights of my working day is reading the digest every morning
(sad, isn't it) and I must say that even without asking specific questions
myself it provides a fund of useful hints and tips re my SIII.

My only concern is for Geoff Wilkin - the Major seems to eat about 66% of
his posts, or am I the only one missing out on his sagacity and wit?

Any reason for Geoff to be truncated like this?

Cheers

Bruce

Bruce Napier
IMSCaR
University of Wales, Bangor
***********************
1980 88" SIII: Neat and tidy
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From: Orlando_Scott-Cowley@watsonwyatt.co.uk
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:11:39 +0000
Subject: Greenlanes..

Morning chaps...

Is it my imagination or is there a white paper going through parliament 
tomorrow, about opening up all the UK's greenlanes to the hoy poloy?

Any ideas?

Orlando

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From: Thorsten Klein <kleit001@mail.uni-mainz.de>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:27:58 +0100
Subject: Re: Coils and shocks - more details

Davidge, Anthony schrieb:
> The coils and shock will be on a 90, mainly road use 120 miles a days, with
> reasonable green lanes and possibly in the future (by Billing??) towing a
> small caravan - I'm getting too old for camping and the S2a gets most of the
> real abuse.
> It's noticeable now that the whole vehicle leans well in bends, it may
> because I'm going that little bit quicker because of the Tdi or they really
> are getting tired - or it's just a land-rover. I was hoping that the 'pub'
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> are getting tired - or it's just a land-rover. I was hoping that the 'pub'
> would have some ideas

If it is not for trials use, but for daily road use, I can recommend
Famous Four springs and Decarbon or Koni shocks. With this combination
you get a stiffer ride (with adjustable Konis you get a gocart-feeling!)

Hope this helps, Thorsten

Thorsten Klein
Mainz, Germany
kleit001@mail.uni-mainz.de
SIII Lightweight (almost sold)
Defender 110 Tdi HT(driven in)

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From: Andrew Baker <Andrew_Baker@mitel.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:35:22 -0000
Subject: RE: Major inDigestion

My only concern is for Geoff Wilkin - the Major seems to eat about 66%
of
his posts, or am I the only one missing out on his sagacity and wit?

Funnny you should say that Bruce, but I'm sure I only get half the story
sometimes, in fact there have only been 8 e-mails since yesterday lunch
time!

Andrew B

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:35:27 -0000
Subject: Re: Major inDigestion

Oh dear the major is at it again... Perhaps the Major has a "Wit filter".

Thanks for the boost to my meagre ego... I never knew that I had Sargacity
AND wit...

Errrr... Wots Sargacity or where is it?...

I will mail Bill C. and see if he can spot what I am doing wrong... I mean
it cant be the major can it!..

Thanks for letting me know.

Geoff W.

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:40:29 -0000
Subject: Re: Greenlanes..

I  believe its to do with opening up Farm / moor land to the bobble hat
brigade (Wramblers) [Not the J**p fraternity]
There was a debate on the TV the other night... Usual crap from both sides.

Personally speaking, if its private land then no one else has the rights to
go on it.
Except for public paths etc etc. I see this as a can of worms.

I dont think it will include Vehicles or Hosses.

Lets talk about nicer things, like the 6p per Litre on Diesel.

Anyone know what ratio of Low Sulphur Diesel to 28 Sec heating oil  works
best is?..

Tongue in cheek.....

Geoff..W
trying not to get too trashed!...

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:41:56 -0000
Subject: Re: Coils and shocks - more details

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:43:18 -0000
Subject: Re: Major inDigestion

Its been dead quiet on the list, I usually see a lot more, its been like it
all week...

OR... has my Sargacity AND Wit frightened everyone off!...

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

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'97)
All views expressed are my own and are no-one elses! (or so I am told).

'84 110 CSW - Green & Clean
'73 Lightweight V6 - All in bits

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:48:44 +0000
Subject: Re: Greenlanes..

>Morning chaps...
'Morning...
>Is it my imagination or is there a white paper going through parliament
>tomorrow, about opening up all the UK's greenlanes to the hoy poloy?
You may well be right.There was an item in the BBC's "Countryfile"
about it last weekend.One or two shots of a nice white Disco.Nothing
so common as a series motor though.Got to keep up standards dontcherknow.

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:55:05 +0000
Subject: Re: free-wheel hubs

  the hubs are about 5" long and are tapered with
>flutes along its length, there is an inset cap on the end to change from
>2 to 4 wheel drive.

>From your description they sound like Selectro.Made by Mile Marker in the
U.S.The bad news being you cant get spares in the UK.I had a pair given
to me but with the wrong no of splines.I tracked down Mile Marker and
e-mailed them on the subject.The upshot being they offered (eventually)
to sell me the spares I needed,plus carriage.A set of new hubs would
have been cheaper.So I gave them away to a lad with the right splines
on his vehicle.

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Andrew Baker <Andrew_Baker@mitel.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:48:40 -0000
Subject: RE: free-wheel hubs

>From your description they sound like Selectro.Made by Mile Marker in
the
U.S.The bad news being you cant get spares in the UK.

Oh! thanks Mike, anybody else got any ideas.

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From: "Steve Mace" <steve@solwise.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:14:27 -0000
Subject: Re: free-wheel hubs

I've got Selectro on my LtWt and they don't have an inset. 
With mine you twist the whole end of the hub to switch 
drive.

Not trying to create trouble just trying to help.

On 10 Mar 99, at 9:55, Mike Rooth wrote:

>   the hubs are about 5" long and are tapered with
> >flutes along its length, there is an inset cap on the end to change from
> >2 to 4 wheel drive.
> From your description they sound like Selectro.Made by Mile Marker in the
> U.S.The bad news being you cant get spares in the UK.I had a pair given
> to me but with the wrong no of splines.I tracked down Mile Marker and
> e-mailed them on the subject.The upshot being they offered (eventually)
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> Cheers
> Mike Rooth
www: http://www.solwise.co.uk

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From: "Peter Estibeiro" <petere@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:12:04 +0000
Subject: Re: Dwell angle

> Is somebody able to tell me the dwell angle for the LR 6 cylinder?

I may be able to tell you tomorrow, I've got a list at home of almost 
all dwell angles.  Landrovers differ slightly according to year and 
make of the distributer.  Do you know the make and series number of 
the distributor?
Peter.

Peter Estibeiro
Membrane Biology Group
Department of Biomedical Science
University of Edinburgh
Edinburgh EH8 9XD
tel: 44 131 6503731
fax: 44 131 6503711
email peter.estibeiro@ed.ac.uk

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From: "Peter Dowson" <Peter.Dowson@softwareag.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:23:19 -0000
Subject: Re: free-wheel hubs

I used to have fwh on my 88" S1 which sort of fitted your description. I
sold that vehicle a number of years ago so can't check but I thought that
they were A.M.P. or some other tla (3 letter acronym). I thought that this
was cast into the housing though so that is a possible check.

Peter Dowson
S1 80"

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From: "Baker, Stuart J" <bakersj@bp.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:22:17 -0000
Subject: 2.5LTurbo Diesel

My dad owns a 1990 2.5L Turbo Diesel 90.  It recently had a new cylinder
head but now the bottom end has gone, blowing oil out of the breather, big
style.  He's not able to do any repairs himself (Time/space), so will have
to get it done at a garage.  Does anyone on the list have any opinions on
what's going to be the best/cheapest fix - repair what he's got (i.e.
rebore/new piston rings etc), or go for a recon engine, either block only,
or complete.  If the latter is the preferred choice, can you recommend a
cheap supplier, or better still does anyone have one in good nick.

I thankyou.

Stuart
1961 SII Big and Yella

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From: Dave Ladell <ladell@proasisn.demon.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:50:17 +0000
Subject: Disco for sale

Blatant sales advert, but a friend in the Cambridge area is selling their
Discovery.

Basic info:
1991 Discovery 200TDi - gold
5 door manual
about 130 K miles
Owner maintained
Poly-Bush kit
£6k ONO

If anyone is interested email me off the list and I can pass on a contact
number.

Dave Ladell  
'75 Lightweight 2.5TD 
nr. Buxton, Derbyshire, UK

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:22:17 -0000
Subject: Re: 2.5LTurbo Diesel

How about a short engine from Turner, and use your head and ancillairies.
Turners wont be the cheapest, but they do have a very good name. 

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

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'84 110 CSW - Green & Clean
'73 Lightweight V6 - All in bits

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From: "Iain Tennant" <i.r.tennant@dundee.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:32:01 GMT
Subject: Snow Chains

Apart from the usual sources (Rudds etc), anyone know of any 
special deals for decent quality 7.50/16 chains?  I know about those 
currently on offer at Craddocks but they're 205/16s.   Any idea if 
there's much difference price-wise in France/S.Switzerland these days 
as we could pick up en passant if it were worthwhile.

Regards,

Iain

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:50:50 +0000
Subject: Re: free-wheel hubs

>I've got Selectro on my LtWt and they don't have an inset.
>With mine you twist the whole end of the hub to switch
>drive.

Might be a different version of the same thing Steve.I checked
their website and I certainly had what looked like theirs.

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Andrew Baker <Andrew_Baker@mitel.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:05:24 -0000
Subject: RE: free-wheel hubs

>>I've got Selectro on my LtWt and they don't have an inset.
>>With mine you twist the whole end of the hub to switch
>>drive.
>Might be a different version of the same thing Steve.I checked
>their website and I certainly had what looked like theirs.

Where is their web site? I could have a look and see if their like mine
then.

Regards
Andrew C. Baker

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From: "Matthew Reeve & Mel Mauger" <blatchwood@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:33:28 -0000
Subject: Re: Major inDigestion

>Errrr... Wots Sargacity or where is it?...
>Geoff W.

It's the metropolitan centre of the eel's breeding ground..... 

<g>

Matthew
UK, nr Heathrow
1979 2-dr Range Rover 300Tdi

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From: AVAC11@aol.com
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:23:03 EST
Subject: Re: 2.5LTurbo Diesel

In a message dated 10/03/99 11:27:36 GMT Normalzeit, bakersj@bp.com writes:

> My dad owns a 1990 2.5L Turbo Diesel 90.  It recently had a new cylinder
>  head but now the bottom end has gone, blowing oil out of the breather, big
>  style.  He's not able to do any repairs himself (Time/space), so will have
>  to get it done at a garage.  Does anyone on the list have any opinions on
>  what's going to be the best/cheapest fix - repair what he's got (i.e.
>  rebore/new piston rings etc), or go for a recon engine, either block only,
>  or complete.  If the latter is the preferred choice, can you recommend a
>  cheap supplier, or better still does anyone have one in good nick.

Typical, I tell that folks over and over again, but nobody ever listens.
Rebuild top end witrhout bottom end will lead to see above. Rebuild the bottom
end depending on damage.
Sound like you are in for a rebore and new bearings. If you are lucky piston
rings and a  hnoe will do, but you'll have to take at least the head off to
check the bores with a micrometer.

Cheers, Gernot

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From: "Eric Leuzinger" <eric@solihull64.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 23:35:05 -0000
Subject: Re: 2.5LTurbo Diesel

I can't recommend Turners highly enough...all the reports and my own
experience conclude that they do top quality product.

Loz

>How about a short engine from Turner, and use your head and ancillairies.
>Turners wont be the cheapest, but they do have a very good name.
>Best Regards
>Geoff Wilkin

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:59:28 +0100
Subject: heating oil

I can confirm - having run out of diesel in Iceland some years ago and
having had to resort to a couple of hundred liters of heating oil from a
friendly farmer - that heating oil works fine in a series III 2.25
diesel. Less smoke too!

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From: "Clive Taylor" <clive@tcns.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 01:21:44 -0000
Subject: Re: heating oil

Yes, but don't let the C&E guys over here hear that one. Maybe, just maybe,
they'll remain in perfect ignorance. Of course they won't for the benefit of
GCHQ and anybody else listening to the email stream from the UK (must number
in the hundreds by now).
Clive (unashamed)

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From: "Tom Murkin" <tom@riverside-repairs.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 01:37:42 -0000
Subject: Re: 2.5LTurbo Diesel

>to get it done at a garage.  Does anyone on the list have any opinions on
>what's going to be the best/cheapest fix - repair what he's got (i.e.
>rebore/new piston rings etc), or go for a recon engine, either block only,
>or complete.  If the latter is the preferred choice, can you recommend a

If it was me I would probably rebuild the current engine, and as the biggest
cost is in time, would go the whole way i.e. rebore, new pistons, bearings
etc.  As the head is fairly new it shouldn't need doing again, but get it
checked while it is off - I would at least lap the valves in if they show
ANY signs of deterioration. Another option is a recon short engine, which as
he would have to pay all labour costs should work out similar price.  Both
have advantages and disadvantages, and to a certain extent depends on your
opinion of the garage doing the work and what they recommend.  A good garage
and machine shop should be able to do as good a job as a dedicated engine
rebuilder.

>cheap supplier, or better still does anyone have one in good nick.

I have just a block in good condition if it would be of help, but don't know
where you live.  That way you could save some money on the machining and
parts as you would only need new bearings and rings, however as I said
earlier, the biggest cost is labour and I would go the whole way while it is
out.

Speak to the garage that would do the work, and ask their opinion.  If they
have very little experiance of rebuilding engines, I would go for a recon
short engine, but if they have rebuilt several and have a good reputaion
then let them do it.

Cheers

Tom
SIII 2.5D

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From: "Tim Burt" <tim@muddyweb.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 06:31:30 -0000
Subject: Re: Coils and shocks - more details

OK, the first question to ask is whether you have anti-roll bars fitted.  If
not, consider this before changing all of the springs.    Anti roll bars
will certainly help the handling on the road, and since you are not going to
do any really serious off-roading the slight reduction in axle articulation
will not be noticed.

Someone else has already suggested fitting a new set of shocks such as
DeCarbons.   I have these on the Discovery and they really did transform the
handling.   It's more accurate and responsive, especially setting up for a
corner.

In my experience the springs are the last thing to look at.  Coils are
usually very long lived, (unless they are broken or cracked) and shouldn't
give you too much grief.

Personally speaking, for the use you describe I would avoid springs with
extra lift as they will only mess up the handling of the vehicle.  A new set
of standard springs should be fine on a 90.   (I know that's not the fun
answer but it's the most sensible).

Unless you are carrying lots of weight around, I personally wouldn't even
worry too much about heavy duty springs.   A caravan should put too much
weight on the tow ball, and HD springs will just make the ride a bit bumpier
in day to day use.

Finally, something else you could check is the condition of the bushes.
Old bushes can make a big difference to the feeling of the vehicle.
Again, you can do a lot worse than put standard bushes on..... they are
cheap (relatively) and last a fair time.
If you want something different, try polybush comfort.  (The blue ones)
The standard polybush are too hard for a vehicle in standard use.

All of the above comments are based on my experience playing with
suspension, treat it with the contempt it deserves......  but remember......
what ever you do, in 3 or 4 months you will probably complain that your
vehicle is rolling around corners again due to your new driving style !

Cheers,

Tim Burt
www.muddyweb.co.uk

The coils and shock will be on a 90, mainly road use 120 miles a days, with
reasonable green lanes and possibly in the future (by Billing??) towing a
small caravan - I'm getting too old for camping and the S2a gets most of the
real abuse.

It's noticeable now that the whole vehicle leans well in bends, it may
because I'm going that little bit quicker because of the Tdi or they really
are getting tired - or it's just a land-rover. I was hoping that the 'pub'
would have some ideas

Cheers Tony

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