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From: "Baker, Stuart J" <bakersj@bp.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:06:44 -0000
Subject: Re: SII wing mirrors

Thanks for the responses everyone.  From Franks comments am I correct in
thinking that SIII hinges and 90 mirrors are not quite compatible (work
loose).  If so do 90 hinges go straight onto a SII or are there
modifications to the pillar/door required?

Ta

Stuart
1961 SII Big and Yella

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From: "Iain Tennant" <i.r.tennant@dundee.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:21:30 GMT
Subject: Re: LHD Conversions

Gunnar spoke:-
>   nearside = where driver sits
>   offside = where passenger sits

t'other way round usually.

> ==> so near/offside on different sides on LHD/RHD vehicles ???
>   offside = where passenger sits

Nearside = side nearest the kerb
Offside = side furthest  from kerb.

Best stick to Left/Right.  Wouldn't be a problem if everyone drove on 
the correct ( i.e. left ) side of the road.  :-)

Regards,

Iain

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From: Andy Gardiner <101_nut@shedcity.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:09:36 +0000
Subject: new owner ...?

In message <bulk.16254.19990316000643@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, owner-uk-
lro-digest@playground.sun.com writes
>hi everyone!

Hello!

>I am looking for a cheap to run and reliable everyday 
>transport 

>somehow I have alway like 
>LR's... can I have your opinion please whether a LR is a 
>suitable car for me,

'Car'? Perhaps you have your rose tinted spectacles on at the moment.
> I am thinking of a series II (I would 
>like a tax extempt one).
'Car'? Sll? Things are getting bad ... perhaps a little lie down?
> what are the running costs?
Somewhere between high and higher - unless you do all your own work and
fit after-market parts at which point it becomes reasonable. A bit like
any other vehicle really! At least you can do most things yourself with
a little physical dexterity.
> what 
>about fuel comsumption, diesel or petrol?
You really don't want to know about fuel consumption. You average saloon
will put any LR to shame (even the diesels most of the time) - you must
remember that LR are workhorse vehicles that are heavy, inefficient and
unless converted will only drink 4-star. They are uncomfortable and
noisy, draughty, cold and hot (but at the wrong times!). Their only
saving grace is that they ... they ... well ... I don't know if they
have one?
> what is a good 
>place to start in terms of literature? - I beleive the 
>haynes manual?
You believe what in the Haynes manual? For general maintenance it's
probably as good as anything to start. Personally, I'd probably start
with the manuals for the welder, ball-joint extractor and big hammer!
> what is a good 

Unless you have some mad passion about Land Rovers, I'd suggest that it
wouldn't be the best of things to buy. If you want some fun trialling or
green laning that's another story but don't buy one as a 'car' unless
you wish to be committed ...

Careful doctor, the groin strap is nipping slightly ....

-- 
Andy Gardiner
BLRC Editor
Lit me tell yew tha' orl vews, ign'rent o' th' fax an' tu'al lud
a' squit tha' thay moit be, are me own unless oi sed atherwoise.

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From: Robert Jan van Vliet <rjvvliet@casema.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:35:01 +0100
Subject: Re: LHD Conversions

> Best stick to Left/Right.  Wouldn't be a problem if everyone drove on
> the correct ( i.e. left ) side of the road.  :-)

Isn't the correct side of the road in case of a LR in the middle?

Robert Jan
SIII 109" HT rhd 2.25 petrol '80

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:45:04 +0000
Subject: Re: new owner ...?

>'Car'? Perhaps you have your rose tinted spectacles on at the moment.
Oh,come on Andy its not *that* bad....

Q:Are Land Rovers reliable?
A:Yes they are reliable.They will reliably produce every fault
  known to man (plus some that hitherto arent) usually at the most
  inconvenient time.

Q:Are Land Rovers cheap to run?
A:Yes they are cheap to run. Because of the syndrome described
  above.They use no fuel whilst being repaired.

Q:Are Land Rovers suitable for student use?
A:109" Land Rovers are slightly more suitable for student use than
  88" Land Rovers.They will save you a great deal of money.Keep
  your hall fees and live in it.

Q:Can a Land Rover be used as a car?
A:Certainly.A Land Rover has many advantages used as a car.You
  will find it difficult to lose a Land Rover on Sainsbury's
  car park.Conversely you will never have any trouble finding
  a parking space,once you have flattened the vehicle that is
  already occupying that space.You will get to know your
  immediate neighbourhood intimately due to the lack of speed
  and the driving height.You may therefore be retained as a
  consultant by the local taxi drivers who know the area less well.

Q:Is a tax exempt S11 a good idea?
A:An excellent idea,judging by the way the prices are going.Up.

Q:Should I buy the Haynes manual?
A:You should buy *two* Haynes manuals,one labelled "petrol"
  and the other "diesel".They make excellent reading,being
  imaginatively written and entertainingly funny.

See? Think *positively*:-)
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:02:56 +0100
Subject: Re: SII wing mirrors and hinges

AFAIK SII and SIII hinges are the same as SIV (D90!) the only difference
being the rear of the hinge casting. When the defender was designed, the
new wing mirrors were designed to be bolted onto the hing, and the
casting was modified to give space for two mount holes. SII and SIII
hinges can be drilled, but the holes come out on the rear in a positio
where it is hard to get the bolts to sit straight because of the casting
hollow. I have drilled SIII hinges on all my SIII's, but my present 109
rebuild has D90 hinges (Zinc metallised of course!)

The old SII method of mounting the mirror bracket between the hinge and
the door worked well, but the inevitable wobbling of the vehicle induced
vibrations which, with time weakened the bracket. With the help of rust
and crud, the mirror swivel mechanism glogged up, and when the owner put
pressure on the arm, the brackets broke. I've seen a few of these!

The D90 mirrors may not be strictly original on a Series, but they work
great!

Adrian Redmond

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From: Robert Jan van Vliet <rjvvliet@casema.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:59:58 +0100
Subject: Re: SII wing mirrors and hinges

Adrian Redmond wrote:

> AFAIK SII and SIII hinges are the same as SIV (D90!) the only difference
> being the rear of the hinge casting. When the defender was designed, the
> new wing mirrors were designed to be bolted onto the hing, and the
> casting was modified to give space for two mount holes.

My 109" is an ex-army british model. It has hinges as you describe for the D90.
Are these later modifications? If not they might be ideal as they won't suffer
metal-fatigue.

Robert Jan
SIII 109" HT rhd 2.25 petrol '80

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From: "Matthew Reeve & Mel Mauger" <blatchwood@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:04:50 -0000
Subject: Re: ble poly-bushes

>Anyone got any comments about using polybushes off-road - the blue
>comfort ones that is, I know standard yellow are too hard? They'll go on
>a RR ... perhaps ...
>Andy Gardiner

I'm soon to be fitting blue polybushes all round, except for the panhard
bushes. I've been advised by a mechanic friend of mine that the panhard
bushes chew up polybushes, he's got no idea why, but he was going through a
set of panhard bushes every thousand miles or so, but since changing back to
standard rubber, they've lasted a long time.

Again, no logical reason has so far been forthcoming, any ideas?

Matthew
UK, nr Heathrow
1979 2-dr Range Rover 300Tdi

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From: andy Smith <andy@bobstar.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:27:09 +0000
Subject: Re: SII wing mirrors

In message <bulk.17700.19990316011051@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, Baker,
Stuart J <bakersj@bp.com> writes
>Thanks for the responses everyone.  From Franks comments am I correct in
>thinking that SIII hinges and 90 mirrors are not quite compatible (work
>loose).  If so do 90 hinges go straight onto a SII or are there
>modifications to the pillar/door required?

Hell just fit 90 doors and be done with 8). (fire proof suite at the
ready)

Andy Smith
1965 ser2a V8 swb road/ccvt 1971 ser2a 2.25p swb road
Tamworth Staffs    ICQ 30236512
Founder of #uk_rover IRC chat channel on DAL.NET
For more information please visit  http://www.bobstar.demon.co.uk/index.html

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From: andy Smith <andy@bobstar.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:23:47 +0000
Subject: Re: SII wing mirrors

In message <bulk.8058.19990315170630@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, Frank Elson
<frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>     >>>>  Replace the top hinges on the front doors with ser3 or 90 type
>hinges and fit 90/110 mirrors to the hinges. <<<<
>whoa there Andy. Are you saying that Ninety hinges will fit a Ser3?
>Course they will, silly me.
>I think you've just solved my son's problem there.
>SPOT here is Ninety mirrors fitted to Ser3 hinges, which means they don;t,
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)]
>properly at least, and work loose every few miles. You just gave me the
>answer you luvvly person you.
Frank,
       I have been called a lot worse 8). But why don't you loctite the
screws in place or is that just plain old daft. 
ooh mines a pint of pedigree cheers.

Andy Smith
1965 ser2a V8 swb road/ccvt 1971 ser2a 2.25p swb road
Tamworth Staffs    ICQ 30236512
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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:46:54 -0500
Subject: Re: new owner??

Christopher,

<< I beleive the 
haynes manual? >>

 No one else does!
 
 The genuine Land-Rover manual is a bit dearer, but much better. The
magazines can be helpful too.
 You will get lots of advice from the list. 
 However, certain issues are highly contentious; such as oil vs grease in
swivels and how tight to tighten spring attachment bolts.
 Some people even make a fuss about what shade of green a Landy should
be.....
 
Paul

Ex- H.M. Coastguard SIII SWB
"Dougal Mc Landie"
B895 OJT (1984)
(Navy Blue with a Yellow Roof)

 

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From: "Geoff Wilkin" <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:56:32 -0000
Subject: Re: re-ble poly-bushes

I have some 6mm x 75mm x 50mm.

I was thinking of using them in pairs ie two bit at the top and two at the
bottom.

The bottom and sides all bolted (Hi T Bolts) and welded.
The use some Hi T Pins to slide the top "T" (two "L" shapes back to back) up
and down the side rails. this would overcome the short reach. It wooould be
enoungh to do suspension bushes on the 110.
Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

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'84 110 CSW - Green & Clean
'73 Lightweight V6 - All in bits

->>  >I have been thinking about making a 4 ton press from some solid Angle
Iron
.>>  >and a 4 ton  hydraulic Car (bottle type) jack.
.>)) tons of pressure, i.e. a few angle irons won't exactly do. The downside
.>of using the hydraulic cylinder of a jack is that theusually are very
short,
.>ie. the travel of your press is short as well whereas you ideally want
long
.>travel, but better than buying one anyway...

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From: "Geoff Wilkin" <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:13:27 -0000
Subject: Re: Billing 99

Err... I have 3 serials for breakfast... weetabix, bran flakes, and some
cherios all mixed...

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

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'84 110 CSW - Green & Clean
'73 Lightweight V6 - All in bits

-
>"110s eat Ser 2s for breakfast"

>Best Cheers

>Frank

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From: "Geoff Wilkin" <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:38:35 -0000
Subject: Re: new owner ...?

Oh... BTW the haynes manual show a picture of a Mini CV joint and talks
about the drive shafts on the axle!....

They are not the best literature, but does have a few usefull bits in it.

Geoff

-
.>>place to start in terms of literature? - I beleive the
.>>haynes manual?
.>You believe what in the Haynes manual? For general maintenance it's
.>probably as good as anything to start. Personally, I'd probably start
.>with the manuals for the welder, ball-joint extractor and big hammer!
.>> what is a good

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From: "Geoff Wilkin" <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:09:28 -0000
Subject: Re: Re:Reference unleaded additive

Hmm Well interesting... how about just bunging half the local chruch roof in
the bottom of the tank?...
Surely some would disolve into the petrol... or aint it that simple?..

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

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'73 Lightweight V6 - All in bits

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From: "Geoff Wilkin" <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:52:09 -0000
Subject: Re: re-ble poly-bushes

Hmm...I suppose the main thing is to get it all absolutely suqare /
parallel.
Otherwise you would be pushing bushed in on the P*ss, and b*gger them up.
A solid base for the jack, and summat to stop the lot falling on yer foot!.
Also some way of securing the work or I think you may need three or more
arms.

No problem here on that one, When I was courting the missus, she said I had
arms like an octopus!..(but that was 15 years ago... I lost them on the
way... Just got two now - Must be rapid evolution at work)

Any ideas from your end?.

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

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'73 Lightweight V6 - All in bits

>>I have been thinking about making a 4 ton press from some solid Angle Iron
>>and a 4 ton  hydraulic Car (bottle type) jack.
>I have been thinking exactly the same.  Sounds fairly easy, but I've been
>waiting to learn from somone elses mistakes first ;-)

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From: "Geoff Wilkin" <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:26:35 -0000
Subject: Re: new owner??

Are you a rich student??
ie can you afford an average of 15mpg for petrol, maybee 18 to 20mpg if get
an exceptional one and drive it carefully. (ive never donr better than 18mpg
on a run, but some on here get 20 or more.
An oil burner (Diesel) will do 25+mpg except a certain GIT in the government
now has us buying the most expensive diesel in the EU.
Are you handy with the tools?....
You will need to be, Old LR's are 40's 50's and 60's technology motors,
hence need the love and care of that era, and regular tinkering.
If you go Tax Exempt, then do you have and Whitworth Spanners?...I believe
most of the nuts and bolts on the S11's were Whit or BSF.
I would get .... LR workshop Manual, LR Parts manual (nice exploded diags),
Haynes, and any other books you can find. Oh and the most important one is
subscription to the UK-LRO mailing list!.

Other than that take your time, and only buy a good one, pass up the
rubbish, pay for condition not the year.
Take someone who know LR's with you, and spend a good hour looking it over,
and under, chassis especially. Then check out ALL the mechanicals.

Series (and 110 /90's) are easy to work on, but bits are big and heavy! (and
fairly cheap).

Its not my idea of student transport, as they are thirsty. But if you can
stomach that, they are good motors and much more fun than a F**d Fiesta, or
F**t chinkychento.
Roof and doors off in the summer,  and 27 jumpers on in the winter!

Best of luck mate... keep us all posted of your progress..

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

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From: "Geoff Wilkin" <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:34:37 -0000
Subject: Re: LHD Conversions

I though Nearside was where the kerb side was, and off side was the middle
of the road side...

Pistols at dawn??

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

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