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From: d.p.round@bangor.ac.uk
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:30:24 GMT
Subject: Re: Registrations

> how does one read the various reg's? What would the year be for say, a "B"
> reg. vehicle etc. Quite a lot of the personnel and commercial ads don't
> have the year only the "___" reg.

I'll send this to the list because someone there will correct me when I get
it wrong...

The registration letter changed every August. Most cars were bought in
August/September, just after the registration changed which means that
even though the registration letter spans two years it is almost always
safe to assume the earlier year.

The new registrations (letter at the front) started with A in 83/84,
B was 84/85, C was 85/86 and D was 86/87 etc.

A lot of the letters of the alphabet weren't used. The following
were used:

ABCDEFGHJKLMNPRSTUVWXY

The older registration system (letter at the end) ended with Y in 82/83.

The system has just changed again with the reg plates changing every six
months but that only applies to very recent cars (this year?)

Clear as mud huh

David

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From: chris.mokes@symbian.com
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:49:05 GMT
Subject: Re[2]: Registrations 

> A lot of the letters of the alphabet weren't used. The following
> were used:

> ABCDEFGHJKLMNPRSTUVWXY

I don't remember U being used.

> The system has just changed again with the reg plates changing every six
> months but that only applies to very recent cars (this year?)

March this year T reg came out, so I think the next change will be septemberish 
with U or V :-)

Chris

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From: Simon Minshall <simon@cinesite.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:01:46 +0000
Subject: Re: Registrations

> I have been checking the "for sale" advertisements in LROI, LRW, and LRM,
> how does one read the various reg's? What would the year be for say, a "B"
> reg. vehicle etc. Quite a lot of the personnel and commercial ads don't
> have the year only the "___" reg.

In a nutshell ...

A == 1983 
B == 1984 
C == 1985 
D == 1986
E == 1987 
F == 1988 
G == 1989 
H == 1990 
J == 1991 
K == 1992 
L == 1993 
M == 1994 
N == 1995 
P == 1996 
R == 1997 
S == 1998 
T == 1999

>From "T" onwards, the letters will change twice yearly.  

Why? Are you looking for a LR? I'm thinking of selling my D-reg Land Rover 90
2.5 Turbo Diesel. If you're interested we can chat about it off the list.

Simon

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Cinesite Digital Studios                    London    W1V 5RG
http://www.cinesite.co.uk                   tel:0171-973-4000
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From: Simon Minshall <simon@cinesite.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:23:07 +0000
Subject: Re: Registrations

 
> > A lot of the letters of the alphabet weren't used. The following
> > were used:
> > ABCDEFGHJKLMNPRSTUVWXY
> I don't remember U being used.

And Q *is* used, but it signifies a special registration, i.e., a heavily
modified vehicle, not the year it was registered.

Simon

-- 
Simon Minshall                              
Imaging Systems Engineer                    9 Carlisle Street
Cinesite Digital Studios                    London    W1V 5RG
http://www.cinesite.co.uk                   tel:0171-973-4000
mailto:simon@cinesite.co.uk                 fax:0171-973-4040

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From: "Iain Tennant" <i.r.tennant@dundee.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:36:18 GMT
Subject: Re: Registrations

Jim Wolf wrote:-
> I have been checking the "for sale" advertisements in LROI, LRW, and LRM,
> how does one read the various reg's? What would the year be for say, a "B"
> reg. vehicle etc. Quite a lot of the personnel and commercial ads don't
> have the year only the "___" reg.

The letter suffix was introduced in 1963 and ran initially by 
calender year (i.e. Jan-Dec).  Following lobbying from the motor 
industry this was changed in 1967 to run from Aug-July (what a daft 
idea!).
When they ran out of letters the prefix was introduced (Aug 1983) and 
we're now back to a calender-year system, but with two changes per 
year, again following whinge-ing... er sorry, lobbying from the poor 
car industry .  This to be superseded I believe with another system more in 
line with what's done elsewhere in the EU.

Regards,

Iain

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:42:16 +0000
Subject: Re: Crewe

>When Sir John Betjemen wrote the famous lines "Come friendly bombs and
>fall on Slough, it's not fit for humans now..." I think he really meant
>Crewe. At least he would have meant Crewe if he'd ever got stuck there
>for a month one weekend.

Its not surprising really that Crewe became run down,since it was
largely built by,run by,and owned by the London & North Western
Railway.And when that ceased to exist (The loco's it produced were
notable only for their quirkiness) the town was almost bound to
fall over.I beleive it was almost axiomatic that the CME (Chief
Mechanical Engineer) of the LNWR became Mayor of Crewe and manager
of the brickworks.
However,Crewe did give birth to "The Webb Syndrome".Briefly stated
its "I built it,its perfect,you drive it".Basically,one CME by the
name of Francis Webb had a lot of "advanced" theories upon how a
Locomotive Engine should be constructed.Compounding was his hobby
horse.That is using steam expansively by exhausting it from small
high pressure cylinders into(in his case) a large,low pressure
cylinder and thence to atmosphere.This was OK on its own,but dear
old Francis took the opposite view of the world to Land Rover,and
didnt believe in coupling axles together.
Imagine Euston station in Victorian times.Train awaits departure time
to go northwards.Big shiny black(sorry Frank) loco drifts down onto
the train in reverse and is coupled up.Now,the rear driving axle
is driven by two small cylinders on the outside,valve gear controlled
from the cab.Between the frames is a large economy size dustbin into
which the outside cylinders exhaust,valve gear a simple slip eccentric
which requires half a revolution to set it for progress in the opposite
direction.This is connected to the front driving axle,which is a crank axle.
It is *not* controlled from the cab.Guard blows his whistle,
and the driver winds his valve gear to full forward and opens the regulator.
At this point,the loco is trying to lift the train using only the one
driving axle,because the dustbin hasnt yet received any steam from the
outside cylinders.So the inevitable happens and the rear driving wheels
slip.NOW the dustbin has steam.But there is a problem.Due to the fact
that the engine *backed* onto the train,the front axle is still in
back(reverse) gear.So it slips too.And the assembled populace is treated
to the sight of a locomotive sitting still with its driving wheels merrily
turning...in *opposite* directions.Not,as someone said at the time,the
best way to commence the ascent of Camden Bank.Our Francis,however,would
have none of it,and any driver that complained,or even suggested
alterations
was summarily dismissed.
No Land Rover content here except that when *our* wheels spin they at
least do so in the same direction.With,granted,possibly much the same result.

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "Peter BRADLEY" <pbrad@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:40:14 -0000
Subject: Re: Crewe

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From: "Peter BRADLEY" <pbrad@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:51:46 -0000
Subject: Re: Re:winches

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From: "Tim Burt" <tim@muddyweb.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:17:51 -0000
Subject: Centre mount Winches

I'm intrigued, tell me more.....

Where is the actual winch located ?
Where / How is the rope routed ?

Interested and much obliged,

Tim Burt
www.muddyweb.co.uk

>To winch from the front you simply engage freespool and pull the cable out
>forwards.  To winch backwards you engage freespool and pull the cable out
>backwards.  Clever isn't it ?  And he's patented it.  Unfortunately there
is
>no retro-fit.  It has to be built into the vehicle chassis from new.

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From: "Baker, Stuart J" <bakersj@bp.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:52:28 -0000
Subject: RE: to grease or not to grease

LRO did an article on restoring chrome balls.  As I recall they used
araldite to fill the pit marks then sanded down smooth.  They stressed that
this is obviously not as good as getting new ones, but does help in the
short term to re-seal, and hence retain your oil.  Sounds plausible and
would'nt take to long ?

Cheers

Stuart
1961 SII Big and Yella

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From: Ketil Oftedahl <ketil.oftedahl@datapoint.no>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:03:44 +0100
Subject: Re: Centre mount Winches

> Where is the actual winch located ?
> Where / How is the rope routed ?

Description and pictures are available at : 
  http://4wdonline.com/Foers/Winch.html

Regards,
Ketil

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From: Marijn van der Himst <marijn@multiweb.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:22:44 +0100 (MET)
Subject: RR V8 problem

 I'll pass this question on to you, as it concearns not the leaf-sprung
 type of Land-Rover and I despise them (up untill the point where I can
 afford to own one myself)...:       (note: all this written in a hurry)

 Vehicle: Range Rover V8 3500
 Work done recently: both heads skimmed
 Known defaults (other than the usual): -pardon my poor english here-
 the retard/advance 'thing' is leaking air on the advance side.
 
 Problem: engine will not run stationairy below 2000 rpm.

 That's all the info I got.
 Any sound advice greatly recieved by my friend who owns the RR;

 Cheers,

 Marijn.

 SIII 109'FFR
 Long&Green, donnow where it's been..
 Member of EMLRA & LRCH

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From: "Peter Dowson" <Peter.Dowson@softwareag.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:01:54 -0000
Subject: Re: Centre mount Winches

I got a broken link at the following address, but
http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/pbrad/ibex.htm takes you to the Foers front
page.

Peter Dowson
S1 80"

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From: "Peter Dowson" <Peter.Dowson@softwareag.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:04:36 -0000
Subject: Re: RR V8 problem

Marijn van der Himst <marijn@multiweb.net> abused :-
> I'll pass this question on to you, as it concearns not the leaf-sprung
> type of Land-Rover and I despise them (up untill the point where I can
> afford to own one myself)...:       (note: all this written in a hurry)

How can you despise an inanimate object? Especially when that object is a
Series Landrover? Especially when most of them are painted green ( for
Frank ) ?

Peter Dowson
S1 80" (which is currently very inanimate in the garage)

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From: "Gareth Evans" <g.d.evans@talk21.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:38:27 -0000
Subject: Utter madness

You have to be joking

I own a series 3 109 diesel safari station wagon...Top of the range in 1979.
>From new it had fairy hubs (now in-operable) and overdrive (shot to pieces
and too expensive to repair). Its had full engine rebuild and reconditioned
gearbox (mega bucks), and costs on average £500 EVERY year to MOT. It eats
ball joints, swivel pin bushes/bearings, and the bulkhead is as rotten as a
pear.

Its had all outriggers, dumb irons, rear crossmember and drivers door  all
replaced due to rot.

My wife refuses to drive it (cant stay on her side of the road or stop).

You need ear defenders if you exceed 30mph.

This vehicle has been the most expensive "thing" i have ever had the
mis-fortune to own. I've now spent so much cash on it i could cry.

sorry chaps..... if Land Rovers are the best i pity the rest

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From: "Baker, Stuart J" <bakersj@bp.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:42:43 -0000
Subject: Re: registrations

Jim
Not too sure what reg your looking at but.....
An M reg is Aug 94 to Jul 95
So... L reg is Aug 93 to Jul 94
and in the words of Yule Brinner exsetera, exsetera, exsetera.

Cheers

Stuart
1961 SII Big and Yella

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From: "Peter BRADLEY" <pbrad@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:25:23 -0000
Subject: Re:John Foers centre mounted winch system

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/pbrad/ibex.htm

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:20:01 +0100
Subject: Rechroming balls?

Has anyone ever had their balls ( of the swivel variety) stripped and
rechromed? I now have three pairs which it seems a pity to throw away,
and I was wondering if it could be done?

Otherwise they'll end up as ashtrays!

Adrian Redmond

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From: "Tim Burt" <tim@muddyweb.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:19:27 -0000
Subject: Re: Re:John Foers centre mounted winch system

Thanks Peter,

Sound like a clever system.   I don't think I'll try and re-create it on my
26 year old Series 3 chassis though !

I wish the man the best of luck with his sales.

Cheers,

Tim Burt
www.muddyweb.co.uk

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From: "Steve Mace" <steve@solwise.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:36:08 -0000
Subject: NFI playing silly buggers

Decided to try NFU for insurance on the D90 this time 
round. Problem is they seem shocked/concerned that I 
might be using the LR off road! After getting a written 
quote for insurance by phone/fax when I completed the 
proposal form they got really worried when they saw that I 
had various off-roading accessories fitted (e.g. steering 
guard). They've just asked for a written statement 
detailing how often and where I take the vehicle off road! I 
can only assume that most farmers only use their LR's 
for the weekly drive down to Sainsburys.

I'll keep the group informed of progress on this.

Steve

1972 SIII LtWt
1993 D90
In the UK
Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: steve@solwise.co.uk
www: http://www.solwise.co.uk
Tel: +44 1482 621888
Fax: +44 1482 621877

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From: "Eric Leuzinger" <eric@solihull64.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:43:28 -0000
Subject: Re: Gaiters - contentious!

I've found that it doesn't split if well vaselined....

Oh sorry.....that was meant for alt.wierdo.stuff

erm.....

er..

bye

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From: "Eric Leuzinger" <eric@solihull64.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:47:00 -0000
Subject: Re: Wheelclamps

Got clamped in the SII when I was a student...they could only just get it on
my 7.50 x 16 sized tyre...being a cheap one, I just drove away and it broke
up...claimed that the notice blew away and it was a terrible accident...gave
the clamp back it bits together with an "invoice" for some damaged
paintwork....never heard from them again

Loz

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From: "Eric Leuzinger" <eric@solihull64.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:47:53 -0000
Subject: Re: One for you Frank

WHAT????

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From: dunk <dunk@Ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:32:09 GMT
Subject: Re: registrations

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From: AVAC11@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:47:26 EST
Subject: Re: Registrations

If you want a compilation of regs, take a look at my web site @
http://www.geocities.com/geocities.com/garage/1048/
B reg new is 84, in april this year the new t reg is coming.First time two
regs in a year, should boost car sales in theory, in practise it doesn't of
course.

Cheers, Gernot
>  I have been checking the "for sale" advertisements in LROI, LRW, and LRM,
>  how does one read the various reg's? What would the year be for say, a "B"
>  reg. vehicle etc. Quite a lot of the personnel and commercial ads don't
>  have the year only the "___" reg.
>  Jim Wolf

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From: "James G.Wolf" <elvenwood@whro.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:03:17 -0500
Subject: RE: gaiters

>I have heard that the rubber military gaiters are good, though I have
>never seen them. I suspect that just like the gearstick and handbrake
>collars, they will chafe and wear and suffer the sme fate of the leather
>gaiters.

P.A. Blanchard has them, very nice and quite thick material.

Jim Wolf

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From: AVAC11@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:07:09 EST
Subject: Re: Utter madness

what'd ya expect man, the thing is twenty years old. Twenty years ago they
didn't exactly worry about rust prevention and dare me to say, you obviously
didn't as well. Don't know about the od, normally od's are fairly easy to
repair if you do it yourself and relatively cheap as well as long as not the
clutch is gone and you didn't use it in reverse (i.e. when the switch was
blown)
Apart from that, buy an average fiesta or so and you'll spend the same on the
mot every year, can't see you use the fiesta for the same things as the LR
tho. I ran my SIII on a yearly repair budget of say good deal under 200 and
thats including the usual servicing. Admittedly I spent about a grand on it
when I got it, sometimes better to bite the bullet and do thing s properly.

Bet you didn't have your flameproof overall on eh?

Cheers, Gernot

>  You have to be joking
>  I own a series 3 109 diesel safari station wagon...Top of the range in

1979.
>  From new it had fairy hubs (now in-operable) and overdrive (shot to pieces
>  and too expensive to repair). Its had full engine rebuild and reconditioned
>  gearbox (mega bucks), and costs on average £500 EVERY year to MOT. It eats
>  ball joints, swivel pin bushes/bearings, and the bulkhead is as rotten as a
>  pear.

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