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From: "Peter Dowson" <Peter.Dowson@softwareag.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:51:36 -0000
Subject: Re: PTO

I have never seen anything other than a fire pump on the front. The power is
taken from the central point through a thin"prop" shaft running up beside
the engine. I think the best bet is to drive a belt driven pump from the
rear. Do you really need to use your landrover for this. You regularly see
small stationary engines pumping water at traction engine rallies which
would probably do the job. They come in at about #100 per bit ( engine and
pump ). Could be cheaper in the end.

Peter Dowson
S1 80"

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From: "Geoff Wilkin" <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:53:35 -0000
Subject: Re: What would I expect to pay

S11 and LT77 boxes come at very different prices.

The original posting spoke of a 2.5 engine and box, a 2.5 engine denotes a
LT77 box.

My mate got his S111 box for about 250 including the recon Xfer box. (not
fitted)

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

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From: Eric Leuzinger <eric@solihull64.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: 23 March 1999 21:31
Subject: Re: What would I expect to pay

>Oh at least that....fitted a new box to my SII last week....cost 400 ukp.
>More than most reconned boxes, but from a VERY reliable source...and

they're

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From: "Geoff Wilkin" <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:55:49 -0000
Subject: Re: Wheelclamps

One assumes that the 5' 9" bit is council speak?....

To put it simply!. In that case .... its Bol***ks

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

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From: Eric Leuzinger <eric@solihull64.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: 23 March 1999 21:34
Subject: Re: Wheelclamps

>>local council has agreed to open up barrier on a Saturday and a couple of
>sites.

>Apparently vehicles over 5' 9" are very rare??????

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From: "Adams, Rod J" <rod.adams@eds.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:55:23 -0000
Subject: Re: PTO

Never contributed to this board before, so not sure if I'm doing this right
or not but here goes anyway.....

When we had problems with our water supply last year I borrowed a pump off a
neighbouring farmer. It just slotted on  to the PTO drive on the old grey
fergie. Presumeably this sort of pump could also be used on a rear PTO on
Landrover, assuming it had a standard PTO splined configuaration.   

Just had another thought, my 109 has a capstan winch on the front, by
replacing the starter dog on the front of the winch with a PTO fitting, hey
presto front PTO. Probably need a larger hole in the bumper to accommodate
it.

Cheers

Rod Adams

109 Ser III sw - Blue with a green bonnet.

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From: "Geoff Wilkin" <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:09:22 -0000
Subject: Re: Simpleton :-(

Yes... good idea, but if its a piddly thin wire, you can use it to fire up a
relay, then switch heavier wire / current to the lamp with that.

Remember a 55w bulb draws 4.5 Amps, and a pair 9 Amps. Choose the wiring
acordingly (with a little reserve capacity!).

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

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From: chris.mokes@symbian.com
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:34:52 GMT
Subject: Re[2]: Simpleton :-( - fog light

     The factory fit fog light on the 90 is only on with the headlights on 
     low beam.  I guess the reasoning behind it is that you use low beam in 
     fog, but wouldn't be driving in fog with just sidelights or with high 
     beam.
     
     Chris
     

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From: "Steve Mace" <steve@solwise.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:32:30 -0000
Subject: NFU playing silly buggers, followup

Just got the final word back from the NFU ref. insurance 
for the D90. Turns out there is no problem, full domestic 
and work cover for £142 - down £45 from my previous 
insurer. The only thing is it isn't covered for driving 
underwater (their words not mine!).

Now the problem is the SIII LtWT - they want to charge 
£276!!!

On 19 Mar 99, at 17:36, Steve Mace wrote:

> Decided to try NFU for insurance on the D90 this time 
> round. Problem is they seem shocked/concerned that I 
> might be using the LR off road! After getting a written 
> quote for insurance by phone/fax when I completed the 
> proposal form they got really worried when they saw that I 
> had various off-roading accessories fitted (e.g. steering 
> guard). They've just asked for a written statement 
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)]
> can only assume that most farmers only use their LR's 
> for the weekly drive down to Sainsburys.

Steve

1972 SIII LtWt
1993 D90
In the UK
Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: steve@solwise.co.uk
www: http://www.solwise.co.uk
Tel: +44 1482 621888
Fax: +44 1482 621877

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From: "Peter Dowson" <Peter.Dowson@softwareag.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:03:28 -0000
Subject: Re: Simpleton :-(

Geoff Wilkin wrote :-
->
-> Yes... good idea, but if its a piddly thin wire, you can use it to fire
up a
-> relay, then switch heavier wire / current to the lamp with that.
->
-> Remember a 55w bulb draws 4.5 Amps, and a pair 9 Amps. Choose the wiring
-> acordingly (with a little reserve capacity!).
->
The current carrying capacity of most 1sq mm wire is 8 amps ( 14/03 cable )
so you would really need something in the 2 sq mm range (capable of carrying
17 amps).

Chris Mokes wrote :-

->The factory fit fog light on the 90 is only on with the headlights on
->     low beam.  I guess the reasoning behind it is that you use low beam
in
->     fog, but wouldn't be driving in fog with just sidelights or with high
->     beam.

Legal requirement, I believe, being designed into the cars electrics. Front
fogs can be run with side lights but rear fogs need dipped beam. Nice if
they do go out with Main Beam as if you can use this you don't need fog
lights.

Peter Dowson
S1 80"

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@offroading.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:02:49 -0000
Subject: Sob, sob sob

Er....there is some LR content here somewhere, but as Adrain is rebuilding I
thought I'd chip in with a related email.....

Well, you are reading an email from a most unique person...the first person
in the UK to EVER order an Explorer chassis from Ford, and to make matters
worse, the first person to get a hand built Explorer! She will have a damn
sight more in common with the 109" after this rebuild! The chassis is
twisted so they need to order me one....the sting?! Ford cannot say when it
will arrive, maybe 2 weeks, maybe 2 months, and the insurance company won't
give me a vehicle to use while it is being rebuilt. She'll be getting new
panels, a new steering rack, new offside front suspension and lots of little
bits....what it means is that I can't trade her for that 4.6HSE now....I'm
going to kill that F*rd Mundano driver that ran me off the road.......if I
ever see him! He's lucky I missed him, the Exploder didn't look that bad (to
me!), but then..she doesn't have a crumple zone either.....head on with a
tin sh*t mobile?! They'd still be scraping him off the bumper.....

Would YOU trust a garage to rebuild something like an Exploder? From
scratch? I'm getting very worried about this...why didn;t they just write
her off.....do you think I'd have a case if I complained bitterly that she
won;t ever be the same after the rebuild?! The insurance company didn't care
that I may be without a vehicle for 3 months.....I cannot hire a car as I
have no-one to claim against....argh! Want a laugh? I told the insurance
company that the chassis was being replaced and they asked me if the car was
still driveable???!!! This is of course the same company that classed the
109" as a 2 door sports coupe!! (Direct Line....)

Answers on a postcard to......

Neil

SIII 109" - Now my daily driver - although she doesn't like it and is
starting to moan and come apart at the seams.......leak leak leak....
Kit Form Exploder ha ha ha

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From: "Geoff Wilkin" <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:38:30 -0000
Subject: Re: Sob, sob sob

Hmmmphhh Direct Line wont even consider my 12 seater 110.
Anything over 7/9 seats (wherever the limit is) They wont touch them.

I believe thats its to do with say ,  a major claim on personal injuries,
like 5 people in a car = 10 million ukp max payout,
12 in a 110 CSW = 24Million ukp. Its a big difference.

I see their point, but think it's crap.

Its just another company picking off the cream business and not wanting to
take on the lesser more riskier business.

Rant mode = off..

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

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From: Neil Brownlee <metal_thrasher@offroading.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: 24 March 1999 12:01
Subject: Sob, sob sob

>have no-one to claim against....argh! Want a laugh? I told the insurance
>company that the chassis was being replaced and they asked me if the car
was
>still driveable???!!! This is of course the same company that classed the
>109" as a 2 door sports coupe!! (Direct Line....)

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From: "Gareth Evans" <g.d.evans@talk21.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:09:57 -0000
Subject: PTO ...Rod Adams

Any chance of getting a make/model for  pump..
loadsa farmers/farm sales around me must be able to get one.

Might put "Wanted add in something" if i knew what it was called.

Alternatively... kill the farmer, steal the pump, and i'll give you a quid
for it.

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From: "Paul O' Byrne" <paulob@iol.ie>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 18:28:20 -0000
Subject: Re: 	Wheelclamps

Hi 

What are wheelclamps( He! He! He! ).

Paul O' Byrne
(Ireland)

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@offroading.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 18:40:10 -0000
Subject: Re: Wheelclamps

>Hi
>What are wheelclamps( He! He! He! ).
>Paul O' Byrne
>(Ireland)

Wheelclamps are those things that get you at dublin airport if you loiter
for longer than 30 seconds!

Neil

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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:06:58 -0000
Subject: RE: NFU playing silly buggers, followup

One wonders how far underwater underwater is.  My snorkel etc gives me a
wading depth of about 4 feet (or more if the windows are shut)  Now to some
that is underwater, but to me its just an inconvenience due to slight
flooding.

Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110

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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:06:51 -0000
Subject: RE: Wheelclamps

I regularly get stuck behind them on the M42 & M6, like twice a day.
My 110 is quite a low beast in comparison to some I see.  An one real off
road vehicle (or maybe pre road vehicle) I saw recently with tyres so large
that the hubs were above the driver's window.....

Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110

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From: "Rob Smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:06:56 -0000
Subject: RE: Car Parks ...

You mean you didn't break any light with it?
Not that I ever have of course.....

Rob Smith
Mine's the blue 110

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From: "Ivor Clegg" <wclegg@iol.ie>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:14:12 -0000
Subject: Re: Wheelclamps

>>Hi
>>What are wheelclamps( He! He! He! ).
> [ truncated by lro-lite (was 6 lines)]
>>Paul O' Byrne
>>(Ireland)
>Wheelclamps are those things that get you at dublin airport if you loiter
>for longer than 30 seconds!

Actually, Paul is from Cork, where the wheel is still at a very early stage
of development. The concept of a wheel 'clamp' is simply beyond his
comprehension :-)

Ivor

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From: Robert Jan van Vliet <rjvvliet@casema.net>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:17:58 +0100
Subject: Re: NFU playing silly buggers, followup

Rob Smith wrote:

> One wonders how far underwater underwater is.  My snorkel etc gives me a
> wading depth of about 4 feet (or more if the windows are shut)  Now to some
> that is underwater, but to me its just an inconvenience due to slight
> flooding.

I don't believe a word of it. Do you actually mean that shutting your windows
prevents water coming in?
Are you talking Rover here?

Mine starts leaking even when I come close to water. (which is almost anywhere
here in the low-countries i.e. the Netherlands)

In case you are correct about the waterproofness of your Rover, tell us how you
did it, we ALL want to know! (I presume)

Robert Jan
SIII 109" 2.25 petrol rhd '80
Mine's the leaky 109"

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From: howard.neal@which.net
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:35:01 +0000
Subject: PTO

If the water pump fits on the front what do i need. A fire engine pump
sounds a little powerful for my requirements. I only need it to pump
water
from a trough situated in a field ( no electricity ) to 3 other troughs.

Used for lubricating horses.

By a strange coincidence I have a friend who is trying to accomplish
something very similar.  He is actually trying to find a quicker method
of emptying his cess pool  into the neighbour's garden.  The dilapidated
condition of his poor diesel Series 3 LWB Station Wagon bears testament
to his questionable mechanical ability and I have suggested that he
would be better off buying a fire engine.

Regards,

Howard Neal

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From: "Eric Leuzinger" <eric@solihull64.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:44:42 -0000
Subject: Re: Wheelclamps

Oh yes...that's what the overpaid council manager blokey said and actually
that's what they set the height limiting bars at....could only get under
with roof off and windscreen flopped down.

Loz

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From: "Eric Leuzinger" <eric@solihull64.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 18:59:24 -0000
Subject: Re: What would I expect to pay

mea culpa....thats what happens when you don't read your e-mail
properly....you end up looking like a prat!!!

Loz

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From: "Gareth Evans" <g.d.evans@talk21.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:47:14 -0000
Subject: fire engine

Are ex Landrover fire engines bountiful

Can you get them real cheap

All I'm asking for is a water pump, everyone seems infatuated with fire
engines

My names not Sam, and I'm nearly forty.

Also, I don't want a fire engine.

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From: "Gareth Evans" <g.d.evans@talk21.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:13:27 -0000
Subject: RE: sob,sob,sob....Daily drive?

Anyone who drives a 109 daily is a masochist, especially if its a diesel.

If he has a choice he's a sado-masochist.

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From: "Gareth Evans" <g.d.evans@talk21.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:28:29 -0000
Subject: Eerie coincidence

By a strange coincidence I saw a 109 fire engine with a wheel clamp on in a
multi-storey car park the other day.
I noticed it was full of water and in serious need of re-wiring. The owner
said he had dumped it because it was impossible to insure, and he couldn't
start it because he'd melted the wiring harness when he switched on the fog
lamps.

Odd eh!

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From: "Tom Murkin" <tom@riverside-repairs.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 01:18:38 -0000
Subject: Re: parking

> How do thay measure this height? If just the clearance between
> the floor and roof then on one of the inclines I'm likely to severely
> dent my roof ... I wonder if it measured for a given wheelbase ...?

I occasionally take my SIII 109 into a multistorey car park near here.  The
height barrier scrapes along the roof, and is left swinging behind it - gets
some funny looks from people following, and particularly from the car park
attendant if they are there :-)

I have checked the clearance on the ramps, and it is about 1/4 of an inch
spare.  Needless to say, I don't stop suddenly, and make sure that I can go
up or down one complete level at a steady speed.  No problems with the
lights though, they clear by a whole 2 inches! Can't guarantee all car parks
are measured in the same way.

Tom
SIII 2.5D

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