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From: "Dave White" <dave@bang.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:12:33 -0000
Subject: Re: NFU playing silly buggers, followup

>for the D90. Turns out there is no problem, full domestic
>and work cover for 142 - down 45 from my previous
>insurer. The only thing is it isn't covered for driving
>underwater (their words not mine!).
>Now the problem is the SIII LtWT - they want to charge
>276!!!

They have to be joking, they charge that much (nearly) for my expensive
comfortable car..... P reg! 140 ruffly what the Stage 1 costs and I must
have a similar post code to you.... HU5

Dave White
'82 V8 Stage 1 SW (Light Green)
'69 2.6 LWB 2A (in bits)

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From: "Dave White" <dave@bang.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:17:00 -0000
Subject: Re: fire engine

>Are ex Landrover fire engines bountiful
>Can you get them real cheap

I once saw a non runner for 500 (I failed to buy it) , Autotrader has 2 in
for 1500 (FC109?) and 3000 Carmichale (SP?) Commander 6x4 rangie.

P.A. Blanchards have at least once sold a 6x4 rangie fire engine for a
camper conversion so the pump will have been removed although I don't think
it was done by them..... they might be able to trace the guy who got it,
they do generally seem quite helpful.

Dave White
'82 V8 Stage 1 SW (Light Green)
'69 2.6 LWB 2A (in bits)

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From: "Geoff Wilkin" <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:20:31 -0000
Subject: Re: Eerie coincidence

Where where where?????
got the phone number of the owner.......

Another Sad LR Fan....

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

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'84 110 CSW - Green & Clean
'73 Lightweight V6 - All in bits

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From: "Adams, Rod J" <rod.adams@eds.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:22:04 -0000
Subject: Re: PTO

Not sure of the make of the pump, but I've seen tham at the local
tractor/agricultural machinery place. I've no idea what kind of price they
were but can't imagine they'd be too expensive as they're a pretty simple
bit of kit and farmers buy them.......

Rod.

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:46:06 +0000
Subject: Re: fire engine

>All I'm asking for is a water pump, everyone seems infatuated with fire
>engines
>My names not Sam, and I'm nearly forty.

Its all the fault of Pugh,Pugh,Barney McGrew,Cuthbert,Dibble and Grubb.

Mike Rooth

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From: "Peter Dowson" <Peter.Dowson@softwareag.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:22:39 -0000
Subject: Re: fire engine

Thinking laterally here. About a year ago a number of civil defence
"brockhouse" trailers came up for auction - these are the ones that are
actually described in the series 1 parts catalogue and they contained
coventry climax engines ( aka hillman imp engines ) and a pump - for pumping
water. Now I know some people bought these just for the trailer and some for
the engine - that must leave some pumps? You could try the Series 1 owners
club to see if anyone has one left over - or if you find the whole lot I
might be tempted to buy the trailer off you.

Peter Dowson
S1 80"

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From: "Geoff Wilkin" <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:21:13 -0000
Subject: Re: fire engine

OK... My names Geoff.... but I am over 40....Ah Haaa.... thats it... When
you get to 40,  you get a "thing"  about Fire Engines.... something to do
with regressive childhood syndrome!.

As you get older, your toys  get more expensive!...

Simple

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From: Andrew Baker <Andrew_Baker@mitel.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:59:06 -0000
Subject: RE: sob,sob,sob....Daily drive?

>Anyone who drives a 109 daily is a masochist, especially if its a
diesel.

Hey I resemble that remark!!!

Since being made redundant I now work in Plymouth and share a lift, I
really miss my daily commute in my 109 Diesel!

Andrew B

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:11:24 +0000
Subject: RE: sob,sob,sob....Daily drive?

Anyone who drives a 109 daily is a masochist, especially if its a
>diesel.

Hey I resemble that remark!!!

Me too.Even if mine is actually an 88".Noble machine the Rover Diesel.
None of this unseemly rush and haste.Proceed at a dignified pace and
enjoy the scenery.Accompanied by the reassuring bass rumble of Heavy
Fuel Oil being consumed.And reflect upon the fact that had the Rover
Diesel not been invented,neither would the petrol.So there.Oily Wads
forever....!
*And* I've got a nice little blue round badge on my grille.

Mike Rooth

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From: "Peter Dowson" <Peter.Dowson@softwareag.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:34:13 -0000
Subject: Re: sob,sob,sob....Daily drive?

Mike Rooth wrote :-
-> ....   And reflect upon the fact that had the Rover
-> Diesel not been invented,neither would the petrol. .....

Mike,

Please can you expand on the above statement?

Peter Dowson
S1 80"

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From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:47:57 +0000
Subject: Re: sob,sob,sob....Daily drive?

 wrote:

> >Anyone who drives a 109 daily is a masochist, especially if its a
> diesel.
> Hey I resemble that remark!!!

Likewise, mines a petrol though, still heavy and mauling and I've a permanently
bruised right elbow and bad eyes with trying to squint through tiny smeared
windows not to mention a non existent bank balance with having to part with a
small fortune every year to keep the thing on the road and occasionally off the
road ...............and only a bleeding lizard in the bidet!

Mick Forster
1972 109" Series III Safari 2.25 petrol (Never to be parted with!!)
1963 88" Series IIa 2.25 petrol
1962 88" Series IIa electric one day, maybe!
http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~mick/landpics.html

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From: "Micky" <micky@big101.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:46:33 -0000
Subject: Re: fire engine

Has it ever occurred to you that you might be going about this the wrong
way?

You have a field, right, with 4 troughs. One trough has a water supply, the
other 3 don't. You need to get the water from the supplied trough to the
unsupplied troughs so your horses don't seize up through lack of
lubrication.

Strikes me there are several options open to you :
1 Replace 4 troughs with one f*** off big trough that all your horses can
get round it. You might have to concrete the field 'cos that many horses
round one trough will make it a bit of a quagmire...
2 Pipe the other 3 troughs straight into the supply to the fourth
3 Get one of those windmill things you see in westerns to pump the water
4 Get rid of the horses. they only make the place smell...

The gist is, getting a fire engine to pump water daily from trough to trough
is like using a 4lb lump hammer to crack a nut. Undeniably fun for a while,
the long traipse to the field every day will get to be a pain in the bum
after a while. And what happens when the fire engine lets you down - as it
undoubtedly will?

Your preferred choice, the pump from the PTO, is already sounding difficult
and possibly expensive, and you still have the problem of getting out of bed
on a cold autumn day when it's lashing down with rain and blowing a howling
gale, trudging out to your Landy, trying to start it (which it won't do 'cos
it's bloody awkward like that), getting stuck in the quagmire the horses
have caused. You've then got to run about the field in your bright yellow
waterproofs and wellies leading the pipe from one trough to another. Then,
of course, you lose a wellie in one of the boggier bits, so you're balancing
on one foot trying to retrieve it with this drip of water running straight
down the back of your mackintosh, down your spine, along the crack of your
bum and into the little damp patch forming there.

What I'm trying to say, is that is it worth the effort? Lay in a few pipes
and the above scenario could go like this instead : it's a cold autumn day w
hen it's lashing down with rain and blowing a howling gale, you have to
water the horses (funnily enough, I thought you only had to do that to
plants)  - but, the horses are being taken care of by the pipe. You get to
turn over again, snuggle up to the missus and play parking percy.

Now which would you prefer?

Cheers

Micky
101 in bits
(and a vivid imagination...)

>Are ex Landrover fire engines bountiful
>Can you get them real cheap
>All I'm asking for is a water pump, everyone seems infatuated with fire
>engines
>My names not Sam, and I'm nearly forty.

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>My names not Sam, and I'm nearly forty.
>Also, I don't want a fire engine.

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From: "Micky" <micky@big101.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:32:23 -0000
Subject: Auto replies

Is it just me or has Peter forgotten to switch his answering machine off?

Cheers
Micky
101 in bits

>thank you for your message.  I am away until the 10 th April and 
>will reply when I get back
>Peter Estibeiro.

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From: "Geoff Wilkin" <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:42:33 -0000
Subject: Re: fire engine

Doh !!!!!!... You just dont get it....

1. The man actually wants to play fireman Sam (a subconcious desire of all
small boys is to grow up and be a fireman)
2. Wheres the fun in Digging up a perfectly good field, and laying pipes.
Then having to backfill the trenches made.
3. Wheres the fun in idly watching the water level in these 4 troughs
keeping sedately at the correct level with absolutely NO effort from the
(wanabee Fireman) gentleman concerned.

Its much more FUN...
1. To play Firemen
2. Make a HUGE muddy mess in the field, and not worry about having to clean
it up.
3. Even if his wife makes him clean up the field, he can Hose it down with
the Fire Engine Pump.
4. Fufill ones subconcious desires, However silly they may seem.

I mean whats the point of being sensible ALL the time?...

When you get OLD (and I mean really OLD), what have you left except your
memories.

You can sit there all day in the Old Folks Home, boring the pants off
everyone else (who have led a boring and uneventful life), about how you
hosed down an entire field and herd of horses with this old fire engine thay
you once owned.

Whats more ... you still have fun telling everyone about it, and re-living
the day, by Galloping down Memory Lane on those Horses.

Sensible lifestyles are sensible.... and DULL... and Boring.... All that can
change with a Land Rover especially a Fire Engine.

Land Rover  Owners ..... Boring... No thats the domain of the rest of the
world!..

There is a distinct pleasure in being mad, that none,  but madmen can
appreciate.

Rant Mode = OFF.

Best Regards
Geoff Wilkin

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elsewhere in whole or part without the strict agreement of the author.

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'84 110 CSW - Green & Clean
'73 Lightweight V6 - All in bits

From: Micky <micky@big101.freeserve.co.uk>
Sent: 25 March 1999 12:46
Subject: Re: fire engine
.> Has it ever occurred to you that you might be going about this the wrong.
.> way?
.> Strikes me there are several options open to you :
.> 1 Replace 4 troughs with one f*** off big trough that all your horses can
.> get round it. You might have to concrete the field 'cos that many horses
.> round one trough will make it a bit of a quagmire...
.> 2 Pipe the other 3 troughs straight into the supply to the fourth
.> 3 Get one of those windmill things you see in westerns to pump the water
.> 4 Get rid of the horses. they only make the place smell...

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From: njf <N.J.Fagan@soton.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:48:30 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Parking.

Multi-stories cause major problems for the Ambulance and 
fire services due to access problems, but for profit 
reasons they won't make more room, height wise, for larger 
vehicles. Even the local hospital with "lots" of rural out 
patients has a low deck height, land rovers, campers etc 
have to park in the emergency access road (security lower 
the posts for you).....
I have seen an Ambulance clear its roof of all equipment in 
most spectacular fashion leaving the central nicks 
bridewell, the road in has 4 feet higher clearance than the 
road out, either side of Soton's Guildhall. The station 
officer (Ambulance) (also a disco driver) was not ammused, 
but at least they didn't get stuck !

----------------------
njf
njf@soton.ac.uk

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:12:45 +0000
Subject: Re: sob,sob,sob....Daily drive?

>Mike,
>Please can you expand on the above statement?

That the 2.25 petrol was built using the scantlings and general
layout(as well as having some parts commonality) of the 2 litre
diesel which itself was upgraded to 2.25 litres.Which is why
the 2.25 petrol is so overbuilt.
Thereby continuing the rather silly size for size policy,rather
than a more sensible power for power one.

Cheers
Mike

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:15:16 +0000
Subject: Re: sob,sob,sob....Daily drive?

.and only a bleeding lizard in the bidet!

Is this Genuine Parts or an aftermarket bidet?

Mike Rooth

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From: "Peter Dowson" <Peter.Dowson@softwareag.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:19:04 -0000
Subject: Re: fire engine

Micky wrote :-
-> Your preferred choice, the pump from the PTO, is already sounding
difficult
-> and possibly expensive, and you still have the problem of getting out of
be
-> on a cold autumn day when it's lashing down with rain and blowing a
howling
-> gale, trudging out to your Landy, trying to start it (which it won't do
'cos
-> it's bloody awkward like that), getting stuck in the quagmire the horses
-> have caused. You've then got to run about the field in your bright yellow
-> waterproofs and wellies leading the pipe from one trough to another.
Then,
-> of course, you lose a wellie in one of the boggier bits, so you're
balancing
-> on one foot trying to retrieve it with this drip of water running
straight
-> down the back of your mackintosh, down your spine, along the crack of
your
-> bum and into the little damp patch forming there.
Sounds like you've got it all wrong.

If it's raining you won't need to go and fill up the troughs because the
rain's doing it.

If you get stuck then you've got a team of horses to pull you out - what
better place to get stuck.

Anyway, why not play at being fireman Sam.

Peter Dowson
S1 80"

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:17:42 +0000
Subject: Re: Auto replies

>Is it just me or has Peter forgotten to switch his answering machine off?

Well its not just you......

Mike Rooth

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:24:09 +0000
Subject: Re: fire engine

and you still have the problem of getting out of bed
on a cold autumn day when it's lashing down with rain and blowing a howling
gale, trudging out to your Landy, trying to start it (which it won't do 'cos
it's bloody awkward like that), getting stuck in the quagmire the horses
have caused. You've then got to run about the field in your bright yellow
waterproofs and wellies leading the pipe from one trough to another. Then,
of course, you lose a wellie in one of the boggier bits, so you're balancing
on one foot trying to retrieve it with this drip of water running straight
down the back of your mackintosh, down your spine, along the crack of your
>bum and into the little damp patch forming there.

Yup! This boy's had horses....

Nice one Micky:-)

Mike Rooth

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From: Andrew Baker <Andrew_Baker@mitel.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:31:48 -0000
Subject: RE: Parking.

>Multi-stories cause major problems for the Ambulance and 
>fire services due to access problems

And that's not all, when our other vehicle broke down in a multi-story
last year, the RAC man had to leave his van at the bottom and walk up 5
floors to get to the car.
Andrew B

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:08:30 -0000
Subject: Re: Re:Utter madness

please, please please junk the AA. Join any organisation you like (and
despite your good luck so far you should be with someone) but as the AA are
anti-greenlaning they are the enemy......
Best Cheers

Frank
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     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Eric Leuzinger" <eric@solihull64.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:51:35 -0000
Subject: Re: fire engine

Ah!  and he who dies with the biggest toys wins!!!!

Loz

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From: "Eric Leuzinger" <eric@solihull64.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:53:58 -0000
Subject: Re: Auto replies

Nope its not just you...happening here too

Loz

From: Micky <micky@big101.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 1:37 PM
Subject: Auto replies

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From: "Eric Leuzinger" <eric@solihull64.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:55:37 -0000
Subject: Re: fire engine

And once he's made the huge muddy mess in the middle of the field, he can go
and play in it with the LR...

....now where can i get me one of them things......

Loz

>Homepage - http://www.btinternet.com/~geoff.wilkin - (Site REVAMPED 18 Sept
>From: Micky <micky@big101.freeserve.co.uk>
>To: <uk-lro@playground.sun.com>
>Sent: 25 March 1999 12:46
>Subject: Re: fire engine
>.> Has it ever occurred to you that you might be going about this the
wrong.
>.> way?
>.> Strikes me there are several options open to you :
>.> 1 Replace 4 troughs with one f*** off big trough that all your horses
can

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From: "Eric Leuzinger" <eric@solihull64.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:58:22 -0000
Subject: Re: sob,sob,sob....Daily drive?

Yeh! and what's up with the lizard...someone call an ambulance!!!

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From: "Clive Taylor" <clive@tcns.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 23:57:14 -0000
Subject: Re: Re:Utter madness

Will not the RAC recover from *anywhere*? They are just as good as the AA
(IMHO). They are not (AFIK) against any form of off-roading, and even
"sponsor" (or at least lend their name to) off-road events.

AFIK the RAC are not anti-greenlaning (?).

They may not be "the fourth emergency service", but I've always found them
to be most helpful under all circumstances.

Clive

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 03:30:48 +0100
Subject: Corrosion problems?

LAND ROVERS DO NOT HAVE A CORROSION PROBLEM!

Land Rovers have a surviving problem. By the time most SUV's have
depreciated to their third and final owner, and have long since swapped
theirpristine interior with smoked glass and stereo for
chickens-on-the-back-seat, Land Rovers are just getting worn in.

And that's the problem - the vital organs of a Land Rover - engine,
gearbox, axles and suspension last a long while. If kept well the
chassis and body lasts well too. Well enough to make it pay to keep
repairing or replacing parts long after any jap-crap would have been
sent into push-up-daisy-mode.

And if a car gets that old - 15 - 30 years, yes it will get corrosion
problems.

What the original poster may be referring to is shoddy finish problems -
new defenders which loose their lustre, and begin to rust in places
which Series III's didn't.

I have little experience of that problem - though I might....

:-)

-- 
Adrian Redmond

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