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From: aworsley ox <Worsley@miebach.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:50:30 -0000 
Subject: A bit of mild embarressment on a rainy day

Mate on alternator no.3 in as many days,
I pop round, the alternator is whacking along fine but 12v at battery?
Battery disconnected, no, starts fine.
Hey look, burnt wire, what's that for,
Hey another, oh no, same one, other half.
Another one, oh no, middle bit of last 2, welded to exhaust pipe...
Ah, this wire goes from alternator to starter, (or possibly once did)

Anyway new wire (old pair of jumpleads) and the inherent possibility that
all 3 alternators were fine and he seems to be off again.

Sorry M.
Alasdair Worsley

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From: GMBubb@aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 05:10:15 EST
Subject: Re: ARC clubs

The Southern ROC (SROC) doesn't allow non ARC spec vehicles to take part, 
except on Promotional Days.

Gordon

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From: Matthew Wild <wild@wdcc1.bnsc.rl.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 16:01:44 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: A bit of mild embarressment on a rainy day

On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, aworsley ox wrote:

> Mate on alternator no.3 in as many days,
> I pop round, the alternator is whacking along fine but 12v at battery?
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> all 3 alternators were fine and he seems to be off again.
> Sorry M.
> Alasdair Worsley

I don't mind Alasdair. I count it as a case of a second opinion/view of a
problem being helpful. I'd spent so much time thinking alternator, that
Occam's Razor never properly entered my head. At least it's fixed, just
move any problems to other parts of the system.

Matthew
110 LandRover CSW V8 EFi, 1983, Green & Creme
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M.Wild@rl.ac.uk                    URL http://www.wdc.rl.ac.uk/
World Data Centre C1 - Solar-Terrestrial Physics
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From: "David Levett" <dlevett@pc.jaring.my>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 19:20:08 +0800
Subject: Fuel Supply pressures to S.U. Carbs

A slightly off the wall question - but LandRover related! Does anyone =
know the recommended fuel supply pressures to S.U. Carbs? The standard 2 =
1/4 mechanical fuel pump (petrol) should deliver between 1.5 to 2.5 lb =
per sq. in. Is this in the right range? The 2 1/4 mechanical fuel pump =
for the diesel is spec'ed to deliver 5 to 8 lb per sq. in. Does anyone =
know what the effect of using a diesel fuel pump, which delivers much =
higher pressure, would be on an S.U. carb? Would the carb function =
correctly?
Any information much appreciated.
David Levett
dlevett@pc.jaring.my

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From: "Laughton, Austin" <LaughtonA@farnellcomponents.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:51:56 -0000
Subject: Rangie Auto.....

Guys,

I'm just contemplating buying a 300 TDi Auto Rangie its a retro-fit
engine using a genuine part fitting kit..... I didn't really want an
Auto but it's at the right price....

Do any of you have experience of changing the auto for a manual?????

What is entailed?????

Anybody have a suitable box for it????

Cheers

Oz
S1 V8 88" Coiler......

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:37:24 -0000
Subject: Re: cb fines  and pals cars

Oh... I wasnt sure!...

I have some nice "Westflex" going out the wall,

as good as H1000, and nearly as good as LDF-250.

On Top of a Hill @ 160ft ASL

And a honary member of the Fenland Mountain Rescue Team.

Geoff,

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:18:39 -0000
Subject: Re: Engine oil (lots of LR content)

IJust buy oil in 25 Litre drums and change it often...

Much cheaper than 5 litre cans from the high st, especially if its EP 80/90

Geoff

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:17:23 -0000
Subject: Re: Lightweight Side panels

Hinge Panels, Yes they are made, BUT watch out, some dont come with the
little bracket at the top where the wing bolts on to.

Join the Lightweight club, they have a supply.
Whats more they are good quality and fit properly.

As do their footwells. (Footwells are thicker than the original bulkhead!)
Dot use ordinary S11 / S11 footwells all the angles are wrong.

I have just done both Hinge panels and footwells. (all supplied by the
Lightweight club)

I think PWB do good hinge panels.

Anyway, my lot come to nearly 100UKp, but worth it.

I now have a perfect lower bulkhead, and a New top one :-)))

The rebuild progresses, albeit slowly. Did all the back brakes and new pipes
this weekend.
ie been playing with my new brake pipe flaring tool... Expensive but worth
the money.
By the time I have done the Lightweight and the 110, and the newt rebuild it
will have almost apid for itself.

Give Craddocks a ring they have just broken a couple of LtWts and they were
quite cheap on the bits.. But didnt ask about the top rail as I have a new
one.  (from Blanchards ££££££ OUCH)

Geoff

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From: "David Levett" <dlevett@pc.jaring.my>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:22:43 +0800
Subject: Fuel Supply pressures to S.U. Carbs

A slightly off the wall question - but LandRover related! Does anyone =
know the recommended fuel supply pressures to S.U. Carbs? The standard 2 =
1/4 mechanical fuel pump (petrol) should deliver between 1.5 to 2.5 lb =
per sq. in. Is this in the right range? The 2 1/4 mechanical fuel pump =
for the diesel is spec'ed to deliver 5 to 8 lb per sq. in. Does anyone =
know what the effect of using a diesel fuel pump, which delivers much =
higher pressure, would be on an S.U. carb? Would the carb function =
correctly?
Any information much appreciated.
David Levett
dlevett@pc.jaring.my

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:02:35 -0000
Subject: Re: LRW, electric turbos

At billing a couple of years ago there was a very nice
Dakar with a 5.7L chevvy in it AND Nitrous Oxided as well...

Sounded good too...

Hate to think of the MPG!!!

Geoff

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:38:15 -0000
Subject: Re: Engine oil (lots of LR content)

And on White Metal bearings?? 
OK it will stick to the crank and camshaft!..

Geoff

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:51:55 -0000
Subject: Re: Leaking gutters (was Dim view....(with LR content))

OK... Nice one.... SO whats it called / Made by etc etc

And where can I get it ...

Geoff

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From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:59:04 -0000
Subject: Re: No brakes / Shock Absorbers / MAP FWH

My only suggestion is to bite the bullet, and fit  OEM parts (ie in a
Girling or Lockheed Box)
or Genuine LR parts if money is no object.

There are cheap Pattern parts out there at half the OEM price. I would not
fit pattern parts on "Mission Critical" sections of the vehicle, ie Brakes
and Steering.

Fit quality linings ie Mintex Lined shoes,

IMHO its not worth the saving on Brakes and Steering parts..

I would also fit good Shock Absorbers, as they will affect the steering and
braking.
ie Named Box ones,

Think safety first and wallet second.. on these areas on your LR.

Geoff

 >of a 4lb club hammer I would think.  As I intend to keep the LR for ever
> [ the chassis is really sound ] I am going to replace the whole lot i.e.
 both drums, wheel cylinders, shoes, drum retaining screws - as I am sure
 that there should be more than ONE in each side - , and bleed screws.  The
 adjusters seem OK with full movement and the flexible brake hose looks new.

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From: Richard.Clarke@nre.vic.gov.au
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 15:05:45 +1000
Subject: Re: fran forced air into the carby

why do  all the calculations based on air-flow?

why not do the calculations based on 'oxygen-flow' and then just plug an oxy
bottle into the air-intake and have a regulated bottle to control the ozygen
flow

would this work as a cheap turbo?

Richard C

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From: Andy Gardiner <101_nut@shedcity.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:40:14 +0000
Subject: threads ...

In message <bulk.11965.20000203230505@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, owner-uk-
lro-digest@playground.sun.com writes
>Our Top Ten threads...
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From: "Adams, Rod J" <rod.adams@eds.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:04:08 -0000 
Subject: Re: Lightweight Side panels

Panels are certainly available, I got one whn I had a light weight from
Caldwell & Dempster's in Banchory. Not sure who makes them. ISTR it was
about 15UKP. And I can guess why you're looking for a second hand top rail
:((

Cheers

Rod.

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From: BurgDM@aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 12:23:52 EST
Subject: Re: No brakes / Shock Absorbers / MAP FWH

In a message dated 06/02/00 21:45:43 GMT Standard Time, 
mk@email.screaming.net writes:

<<  drum retaining screws - as I am sure
 that there should be more than ONE in each side >>

No, there is only one - the wheel, when fitted, effectively sandwiches the 
drum between it and the hub so it won't fall off.

<< Q2 - what are the 'best' replacements for use with the standard springs now
and parabolics in the future - anyone with experience of Pro Comp shocks?.>>

Chris Prefect supplies Pro Comp Explorer shocks with his parabolics. I have 
them fitted to both of mine and they seem very good. They are also quite good 
value at about £30 each. The extra travel they provide is essential for use 
with parabolics as you get much greater axle articulation with these springs. 
With standard shocks the travel would be limited and the axle would hang on 
the shock on full travel.

Regards,

Darren Burgess

Orange Stage 1 V8 CSW
Bronze Green Ser. III 88" 2.25 petrol

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From: aworsley ox <Worsley@miebach.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 17:20:34 -0000 
Subject: Joke 

> Only in Australia ...
This is based on a story from a local paper.

Recently a routine police patrol parked outside a local pub.  
Late in the evening the officer noticed a man leaving the bar so intoxicated
that he could barely walk.  
The man stumbled around the car park or a few minutes, with the officer
quietly observing.  
After what seemed an eternity and trying his keys on five vehicles, the man
managed to find his car which he fell into.  
He sat there for a few minutes as a  number of other patrons left the bar
and drove off. 
Finally he started the car, switched the wipers on and off (it was a fine
dry night) flicked the indicators on, then off, tooted the  horn and then
switched on the lights. He moved the vehicle forward a few inches, reversed
a little and  then remained stationery for a few more minutes as some more
vehicles left.  
At last he pulled out of the car park and started to drive slowly down the
road. 
The  police officer, having patiently waited all this time, now started up
the patrol car, put on the flashing lights, promptly pulled the man over and
carried out a  breathalyser test. 
To his amazement the breathalyser indicated no evidence of the man having
consumed alcohol at all! 
Dumbfounded, the officer said "I'll have to ask you to accompany me to the
police station, this breathalyser equipment must be broken."  
"I doubt it", said the man, "tonight I'm the designated decoy."

	

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From: Chris Jones <chris@stumpie.demon.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 17:59:10 +0000
Subject: Hiccups

I was driving home from a weekend away this afternoon when my Series III
developed a bad case of hiccups: the engine kept cutting out, usually at
the most inconvenient moments. After a trouble-free winter, it was
clearly attention seeking. I pulled into a service station on the A1 to
investigate, and was just checking over the HT leads when a bronze green
90 pulled up nearby. A helpful chap got out, expressed concern, and told
me where the local ex-mil LR specialist was! Clearly a good omen - after
removing the rusty bits from the bottom of the fuel pump bowl,
reattaching the distributor cap with *both* clips (doh!) and giving the
electrics a coating of WD40 for good measure, it ran sweet as a nut all
the way home.

Funny, isn't it, how having to stop for mechanical troubles can make you
glad you drive a Land Rover?

Chris
-- 
Chris Jones - chris@stumpie.demon.co.uk
http://www.stumpie.demon.co.uk/
ex-MOD SIII 109 - YAV 182X just recovered from hiccups

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From: "John Carroll" <John_Carroll@ipc.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 19:31:40 +0000
Subject: Shift Change. ARC Classes. Dave's Stage One

Tonight I'm a night shifter but I'm usually on earlies.

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From: "Dave White" <bang@lineone.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 18:25:57 -0000
Subject: Ex electricity board vehicles.

I have seen a nicish 110 I am considering purchasing....

Ex National Grid,
SW
Tdi200
120kmiles
good chassis
good engine (both to be checked yet by someone who knows better than me...)
winch (unknown manuf and size but looks like Superwinch and largish)
5kVA 240 genny on PTO...
body (doors, wings, bonnet) well bashed by use/.abuse.

Anyone any experience of one of thier vehicles or high mileage Tdi's and
know something I do not - I assume it has been well serviced...

Dave

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From: "Dave White" <bang@lineone.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 18:21:54 -0000
Subject: Re: cb fines  and pals cars

We did speak to Westflex but mostly used LDF or a substitute from RFS...
these were mostly for use on MOD kit as they specced it, we only used them
on excessive runs....

> I have some nice "Westflex" going out the wall,
> as good as H1000, and nearly as good as LDF-250.
These days I have not even got my CB working.... :-) the above was all radio
telemetry.

Dave

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From: "Dave White" <bang@lineone.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 18:28:51 -0000
Subject: Re: LRW, electric turbos

> Now there's an idea....Nitrous the old S2....
> That'll scare the pants off the BMW drivers on the M4.

Don't you think it is more likely to scare the driver of the S2?

Dave

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From: "Jerry Hoare" <jerryh@orchis.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 18:43:48 -0000
Subject: Re: Leaking gutters (was Dim view....(with LR content))

It's by Comma, and it's called Seek'n'Seal.  A small black can with
orange and white text and graphics.

I don't remember exactly where I got it, but it was almost certainly simply
from a local (nothing-special) accessory store.

Jerry
90TD CSW

> From: Geoff Wilkin <geoff.wilkin@btinternet.com>
>OK... Nice one.... SO whats it called / Made by etc etc
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>It's
>> liquid, comes in a can like 3-in-1 oil, and works by finding it's way

into
>> the gaps by capillary action.
>> I squirted it into the gutter both inside and out.  It has definitely
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From: "Steve Mace" <steve@solwise.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:36:41 -0000
Subject: Re: electric turbos

This talk of Electric Turbos has got me thinking about how to increase HP. 

Speaking as a layman it would seem that the air pressure that the engine 
actually sees is well 
below 1 atmos i.e. the air pressure in the inlet manifold. It would be easy 
enough to measure by 
putting a guage on the servo pipe but I'm going to guess perhaps 25% less than 
1 atmos? All 
these turbo devices are doing is trying to increase that inlet air pressure. 
Anything that can be 
done to raise the inlet air (mixture) pressure is going to help boost power so 
a more free-flowing 
carb/air-filter setup would probably work wonders and probably also help mpg 
and cost less than 
any fancy head work or a turbo. 

Has anyone done any tests on how the inlet pressure is influenced by different 
carb and air-filter 
setups? I now the Webber single port is popular (infact I tried this myself for 
a few months but I 
wasn't impressed) but what about a twin port Webber or even 2 twin port Webbers?

Steve

1972 SIII LtWt
1993 D90
In the UK
Name: Dr Steve Mace
E-mail: steve@solwise.co.uk
www: http://www.solwise.co.uk
Tel: 0845 458 4558 (local rate)
Fax: 01482 621877

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From: Andrew Baker <andrew.baker@gssl.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:57:17 -0000 
Subject: 206 Vs 750

Here's a well written about subject :-)

My Stage 1 came with shinny chrome wheels fitted with 206's and 4 spare
wheels fitted with 750's, these were the original wheels. I had never really
appreciated the size difference until I put the two side-by-side.

I have been offered 4 second hand (100 miles only) BFGs at 50UKP ea. (+vat).
In the considered opinion of the list (without taking any responsibility for
their replies of course), would it be worth changing the 206's to BFGs? I'm
hoping it may help my fuel economy and increase the top speed.

Also, someone calculated how far out my speedo would be, can anyone remind
me?

Regards,
Andrew C. Baker

====================================
Email: andrew.baker@gssl.co.uk
> Direct Dial: - +44 (0)1803 546300
> Global Simulation Systems Limited
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From: Matthew Field <mlf@tat-1.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 20:01:32 +0000
Subject: Re: Sodbury, was CD in the grille

Hopefully i'll be going. Not in the LR though, I can't afford that much petrol.

Matthew

ICQ# 24960244

1958 Ser II  88"     		 	MVS 905  (Moves Very Slowly)
1962 Ser IIA 109" Dormobile 		NE 9395 (Nellie)
1970 Triumph Herald
1984 Opel Manta (rallycar)        	http://come.to/bury_ac
and others too boring to list

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From: "Tony Davidge" <tony.davidge@tesco.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 19:19:40 -0000
Subject: Police decoy

One of my friends decided to play a similar trick on the police after coming
out of a night club, dropping hos keys, fumbling with the lock etc. Didn't
take too kindly to him being stone cold sober when breathalised - ending up
taking his car apart and finding some very obscure reasons why it wasn't
road legal. After a very long delay was given - vehicle defect form??
resulting in the need for rectification - hence another MOT and even more
time wasted.

he said that he'd never to it again.

Tony

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From: "rob smith" <rob@archenland.demon.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 20:43:52 -0000
Subject: RE: Electric turbo

Only a little bit more of your money - years ago it used to be a 100% or
more loading....  That is once they get up from the floor.

Rob Smith
Mine's the Blue 110

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From: "Tim Burt" <tim@muddyweb.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:24:10 -0000
Subject: Re: 206 Vs 750

HI Andrew,

I assume you mean 205's and not 206's.

The Stage 1 was never fitted with thisa size of tyre, the 7.50 x 16 was
ususal.     You don't mention what type or size of BFG tyres you are
considering, that would help.

At the least, you ought to put the 7.50's on, the vehicle should return a
better MPG if you do any cruising.  (If you see what I mean !)

Cheers,

Tim Burt
www.muddyweb.co.uk

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From: "Tim Burt" <tim@muddyweb.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:21:19 -0000
Subject: Re: electric turbos

>Has anyone done any tests on how the inlet pressure is influenced by
different carb and
>.
I haven't done any scientific tests, but something as simple as an air ram
can increase performance, as it provides a degree of forced induction at
speed.

Cheers,

Tim Burt
www.muddyweb.co.uk

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From: "Tim Burt" <tim@muddyweb.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:26:33 -0000
Subject: Re: Police decoy

>he said that he'd never to it again.
>.
Absolutely right !

<Climb onto high horse>
IMO, anyone who drinks and drives or condones or assists someone else to do
so is a moron.     'nuff said

<back on terra firma>
Cheers,

Tim Burt
www.muddyweb.co.uk

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From: "Tim Burt" <tim@muddyweb.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:33:04 -0000
Subject: Places to stay

Just a note to explain the comments that young Mr Bickerton raised.....

No, I haven't gone totally mad and I don't have a Swiss Alter Ego.

I know Kat and Nick Sonderer (by e-mail).   They are the couple of Land
Rover nutters who have opened up their house for LR travellers.

The 'Place to Stay' system was set-up after a message I got from them asking
if I could post a message somewhere on my site which advertised the fact
that they would be willing to meet and greet fellow owners.  I talked to
them and took it a step further in order to try and develop something a
little more complete.

The journalist in question was (obviously) wrong in saying that the
information was on their web site, it's on mine....  but it was inspired by
them.

At present there are only a few people who have registered, but I have just
got another person (I assume as a result of the mag coverage) who is willing
to open their doors.

Just wanted to clear that up.

Cheers,

Tim Burt
www.muddyweb.co.uk

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From: "Andrew Oakford" <Andrew.Oakford@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 22:44:59 -0000
Subject: LRM doesn't float

Well my copy doesn't, just dropped it in the bath (yes thats where I was
going to poor over the countless ways of lightening my bank account :-) )

Any chance of a water proof edition for those of us that are too kak-handed
to hold it? And before anyone askes I've only had one beer tonight.

Cheers

Andy

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From: "Eric Leuzinger" <eric@solihull64.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:58:25 -0000
Subject: Re: LRW, electric turbos

You haven't seen me drive!!!

Loz

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From: Paul Humphries <paul.humphries1@virgin.net>
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 23:55:50 +0000
Subject: Roll cage tubing

I was also interested in the Machine Mart pipe bender to make a roll
cage and other projects.
Can anyone tell me what the specs. for roll cage tubing are i.e. dia,
wall thickness, etc.
Thanks

Paul Humphries

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From: "Peter Bradley" <pbrad@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 00:41:12 -0000
Subject: Re: Who's on the list - and what we're talking about...

OK ... so who upset Frank?

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From: Neill Hogarth <Neill-Hogarth@burger-tech.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 07:24:37 +0100 

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