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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 11:01:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Hydraulic winch
Mile Marker make a line of hydraulic winches (Their ad can be found in most
4x4 magazines) that are intended to run off a power steering pump but could
be run by a pto pump. There are hydraulic power packs available for Land
Rovers that are used to run jackhammers etc. Somebody on the UK list is more
lickly to find one for you.
John and Muddy
Bill Fishel wrote:
> hydraulic. I've tried to find inf. on the availability of
> Koeing winches but have had no luck.
> Anybody (preferably in the US or Canada) have a hydraulic
> setup that could point me toward more inf..
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From: Henry Cole Stage III <wxgage@erols.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 11:01:17 -0500
Subject: An American Safari
Hello all!
Well, we did it. No major dramas, just 30 days of newly wedded bliss
bottled up in a IIA ambulance from coast to coast, AND BACK!
We left Virginia Beach on 15 December and got back day before
yesterday. The trip out was a straight blast to california with little
time for sight seeing. We did do as much of Old Route 66 as we could
because the grade of the road was much, much easier on the little 2 1/4
petrol lump. Only problems: one blown rear tire, and 40 knot winds on
the nose while driving uphill from Oklahoma City all the way to
California.
In sunny (HA!) California we got snowed on for christmas. Had dinner at
the five star Awhanee Hotel in Yosemite Valley and spent the night in
the campground at a lovely 15 degrees F. Ambulance nice and toasty
(remember, they are insulated in the back!).
New Years in balmy San Diego. Then played in the Imperial Dunes
(approximatly 100 miles of unbelievable monster dunes ala the sahara)
schocking the eyeballs out of all the sand rail runners. Just let the
tires down to about 15 pounds, 4 wheel low, second gear wound up pretty
high and just went everywhere they did (even though we tipped the scales
somewhere around 5 or 6 thousand pounds...)
Since we decided to go south on Interstate 10 instead of 40, I missed
a chance to see Bill Lawrence (sorry bill, warmer down in Mesilla than
up your way, but not by much!). Two days across Texas (I kept hearing
that song in my head;"I saw miles and miles of Texas...")
A detour through Cajun country in Louisiana rambling through Bayeaux
L'Orse and New Orleans. UMMM, ummm! The gumbo, jumbalay and etufee was
to die for.
Mobile, Alabama. Atlanta, Georgia and then the Carolinas. Then home at
last.
Vicky, my new bride, never once threatend to get out and catch a
train. Must be a good sign, eh?! The beast ran like a champ the whole
time for some 6 odd thousand miles. My only complaint: long slow uphill
slogs that the 2 1/4 litre could only pull at about 35 miles an hour.
That was the only time I wish for more power (but Captain, the crystals
are about to blow! I don't care Scotty, I NEED MORE POWER!).
For entertainment we counted, well, uh, cars that we actually passed. On
the way out; 15 cars, 2 trains, 1 semi-truck. Way back; 13 cars, 1
semi-truck. Everybody else passed us.
Vicky also read to me the entire first book of Terry Brooks. The Sword
of Shannara. We joked that next time she will have to bring War and
Peace because she finished the book in South Carolina before we got
home!
So what is it with other rover owners? I waved at every landy I saw.
All discos and RR's. Nobody waved back. Maybe they thought I was an
epileptic idiot or something. Also stopped at a Rover dealership in San
Diego to look at two Defenders on the lot. I could not get the time of
day from them. Pure salesmen, not rover driver in the building. I was
very disappointed. On the other hand, I met a guy in california who had
inherited a 51 Series I from his grandfather. I was invited out to tell
rover lies (oops, stories!) and take pictures. It was pristine. Not a
spot of rust. A real looker. I would like to have seen more series
rigs out there, but there are plenty doing what they are supposed to at
home, mostly owned by the good people on this list!
All in all a very memorable trip that we can hardly wait to do again
someday. Hope to see you out there,
Cole Stage, Hefelump mahout
67 IIA ambulance
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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 13:16:31 -0800
Subject: Hydraulic winches
"Bill Fishel" <bfishel@cisnet.com> wrote
>I've been thinking of adding a winch and would like to go hydraulic.
>I'm most interested in mounting the hydraulic motor to the
>PTO of a SIII and what's available for engaging and disengaging
>the PTO.
I've got a capstan on the Series III, but I've been thinking about a
hydraulic for the Disco, but that's a much more complex issue....
Rover makes several PTO units...these are "stock" items occasionally listed
by Craddock's and other large suppliers in the UK; these kits include the
linkage/shift levers. Another option is a bottom power take-off, in case
you don't want to give up an overdirve. (Bottom power take offs are *very*
rare...there may be only a couple in the US...and I know where there is a
*new* one, still in the original Rover packing crate.) Rover even made
pumps, but it would be simpler to source a small pump from Northern
Hydraulics or some such.
The most commonly available hydraulic winch is the MileMarker, now with a
two speed set-up. One for spooling, one for winching. Designed to run off
a power steering pump, the stock Rover PS pumps don't put out enough
volume, so the 10,000# MileMarker only makes about 7,000#.
One problem with PTO's is that you will lose the winch if you use the
clutch. There are times I would want to feather the clutch whilst driving
and winching, which would negate the winch.
An excellent alternative, especially in a series vehicle where there is
room under the bonnet is to use a belt-driven hydraulic pump from Northern
Hydraulics. It has an electric clutch, so it can be engaged/disengaged at
leisure. Cheers
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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 99 10:23:40 -0800
Subject: Re: An American Safari
Sounds like you had a good time. I was in a small LR group doing the
Majove trail in South Eastern California on New Ywars weekend. Too bad
we could not have connected.
If you do it again go farther North and say hi to the Bay area LR crowd!
Glad everything worked out!
TeriAnn Wakeman Border to Border
Santa Cruz, California Expedition Society
twakeman@cruzers.com "Live the adventure"
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman http://www.bordertoborder.com
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From: "\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 12:51:16 -0600
Subject: Snowblower for a LR (no, seriously)
Here in Milwaukee (land of beer, brats, cheese, and snow) I
came across an odd attachment on an old SWB land cruiser. A
hydraulic powered two-stage snowblower. Has anyone ever seen
such a thing for a Land Rover? I've been contemplating a plow
when I build my home "up north", but this has much more
potential usefulness where I live now. The manufacturer was
"Devlin", at least that's the only markings I could find on
the thing. The owner had no idea where it came from, but he
knew he wasn't going to part with it. Seems it's the only way
he can get out of his drive out in west nowhere. I've seen
the huge PTO-driven ones on DPW trucks back in New York, but
I've never seen one quite like this one before...
-MM
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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 13:54:02 EST
Subject: Re: An American Safari
Well gee...
You should have stopped in Los Angeles - the crowd at South Bay Land Rover was
all over my 109 3-door even after I crashed it (several of the guys are still
nagging me to sell it to them!), and they surely would have gone nuts over a
IIA ambulance!
I didn't even know that there IS a LR dealership in San Diego! Used to be -
anybody that wanted one, had to drive up to Mission Viejo - another
enthisuasts' dealer: they even service Series trucks - from what I've heard.
Charles
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From: "david hope" <davidjhope@email.msn.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:45:24 -0600
Subject: Leaking front wheel hubs
I drove to a client's house this morning to drop off some papers. Parked in
front of pristine house in my llA. Ground covered in fresh white snow. Get
out of truck and see that alas my ancient Warn freewheel hub on the driver's
side has sprung a leak and has marked it's territory, as clear as day, in
the snow with nice fresh clear 80/90 weight oil.
Client walks up as I am sticking my finger into the oil to smell it (isn't
that the reaction of most Series truck owners?) and I start to apologize for
despoiling the driveway of this new suburban house.
But wait a minute this stuff on my finger doesn't smell of 80/90 weight oil,
it smells of...and then I realize that my Rover hasn't marked it's territory
at all - the client's beast of a dog has marked it's territory on my Rover.
And I am happy because my vehicle is not leaking.
David Hope
64llA
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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:37:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Snowblower for a LR (no, seriously)
No problem. 3 point hitch attachmet on the rear, add a rear PTO kit. Go to
your nearest Farm Equipment dealer and order a snow blower suitable for a 40
HP tractor and Blow your brains out.... err that doesn't sound quite right
but you know what I mean.
John and Muddy
"\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" wrote:
> Here in Milwaukee (land of beer, brats, cheese, and snow) I
> came across an odd attachment on an old SWB land cruiser. A
> hydraulic powered two-stage snowblower. Has anyone ever seen
> such a thing for a Land Rover? I've been contemplating a plow
> when I build my home "up north", but this has much more
> potential usefulness where I live now. The manufacturer was
> "Devlin", at least that's the only markings I could find on
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> the huge PTO-driven ones on DPW trucks back in New York, but
> I've never seen one quite like this one before...
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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:16:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Leaking front wheel hubs
On Sun, 10 Jan 1999, david hope wrote:
:But wait a minute this stuff on my finger doesn't smell of 80/90 weight oil,
:it smells of...and then I realize that my Rover hasn't marked it's territory
:at all - the client's beast of a dog has marked it's territory on my Rover.
Oil leaks are brown or black. Where the huskies go isn't.
David
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From: daveb <davebobeck@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:23:31 -0500
Subject: Re: Heater blower mystery
> The advantage of the side intake is that it will not scoop in bugs,
>dirt, stones thrown up by the person in front of you, etc. that
>happen to
>blow by in the slipstream.
________________________
>C. Marin Faure
> (original owner)
> 1973 Land Rover Series III-88
> 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
> Seattle, WA
Yes it and it also will do an excellent job of pumping stream water up
through the dashbox if you should get the vehicle over on its passenger
side in deep enough water. Would probably work while upright too...
BTDT, (got the wet t-shirt)
later
dave
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From: daveb <davebobeck@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:33:29 -0500
Subject: re:What did i find in the heater duct?
>From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
>Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 02:25:15 +0100
>Subject: What did i find in the heater duct?
>what did I find inside?
>A fairly corroded but still intact Eley Kynoch 12 bore cartridge -
>unfired.
>Can anyone better this?
well, I would hardly say that this is better, butt here's what I found
in mine:
1. One semi-rusty pocketknife, servicable
2. One very rusted wood auger bit (shipfitters use these I think)
3. One very rusted "Dollar Sign" ($) shaped money clip. As a Land- Rover
owner (and maintainer), the owner of this likely no longer had any use
for it...
aside from those items, there was the usual pile of rust flakes...
later
dave
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From: daveb <davebobeck@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:44:31 -0500
Subject: Re: Pieces parts
> if you don't mind could I get the phone
>numbers or email addresses of the suppliers you contacted? I >appreciate your
>help.
>Bill Lawrence
>Albq, NM
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Bill-
there is a palce in the UK that supplies all the original hardware for
all LR's. they even have the proper finishes, i.e galvanised, etc. they
are called LR Fasteners. They have bolts, rivets, etc etc. You should be
able to find them in one of the magazines and possibly on ythe web. My
inderstanding is that the owner si a serious fanatic and will know
exactly what you need if you give him and engine#...
And I'm sure shi[ping for this amount of stuff from the UK will be nice
and cheap.
later
dave
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From: Russ Wilson <rwwilson@mho.net>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 03:48:47 -0700
Subject: Re: Hydraulic winch
I'll start off by saying that I have NO personal experience with these
winches BUT.... Didn't someone post a while back that the Rover power
steering pump didn't put out enough pressure to push a hydraulic winch??
Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner
"That's just my opinion; I could be wrong...."
Dennis Miller
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From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:16:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Hydraulic winch
At 03:48 AM 1/10/99 -0700, Russ Wilson Leslie Bittner wrote:
>I'll start off by saying that I have NO personal experience with these
>winches BUT.... Didn't someone post a while back that the Rover power
>steering pump didn't put out enough pressure to push a hydraulic winch??
True. The standard PS pump allows a 10,500 lb Milemarker
winch to produce only around 7,000 lbs. A PS pump with
about 160 psi is needed, such as used in Chevy or Ford
pickups. The same pump could be used for the Land Rover
if a pressure reducing valve is installed after the winch
and before the PS box.
-Michael
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From: "\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:10:35 -0600
Subject: Re: Snowblower for a LR (no, seriously)
>>>>> "John" == John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> writes:
John> No problem. 3 point hitch attachmet on the rear,
John> add a rear PTO kit. Go to your nearest Farm
John> Equipment dealer and order a snow blower suitable
John> for a 40 HP tractor and Blow your brains out....
Yeah, but I'm kinda hoping to fit an O/D one of these days,
so the hydraulic nature of the rig intrigued me.
-MM
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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 01:28:09 +0100
Subject: Re: Leaking front wheel hubs
Don't you eat the oily snow,
that is where the grizzlies go...
:-)
Adrian Redmond
CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK
Foerlevvej 6 Mesing DK-8660 Skanderborg Denmark
telephone (office) +45 86 57 22 66
telephone (home) +45 86 57 22 64
telefacsimile / data +45 86 57 24 46
mobile GSM (EFP unit) +45 40 74 75 64
mobile GSM (admin) +45 40 50 22 66
mobile NMT +45 30 86 75 66
e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk
website www.channel6.dk
"Native Experience" - production unit in Alaska USA
telephone (907) 230 0359
e-mail channel6@alaska.net
Visit the "Native Experience" project website at
http://www.channel6.dk/native
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From: "Steve Rochna" <mns@oasisol.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:20:07 -0800
Subject: Heading to San Jose
Is there anyone in the area interested in a Guiness and Rover talk in
Friday and/or Sat night? I'm driving there for a seminar over the weekend
and will be bringing the 88".
Steve - Don't get behind me in Donner Pass!!!
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From: "Steve Rochna" <mns@oasisol.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:26:32 -0800
Subject: re: Heater blower mystery
The original fan on my SIII 88" died a month and a half ago and was
replaced by a parts store version of the same thing with some mods to the
shaft diameter but otherwise it blows great. The flow is pretty much the
same when driving with either no wind or a direct headwind. When the wind
comes from the side with the intake the flow is great and opposite when the
flow comes from the other side. I've been thinking of putting a small
cloths dryer type scoop on the wing temporarily to see what difference it
would make. Has anyone tried this?
Steve
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From: "Bill Fishel" <bfishel@cisnet.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 20:14:16 -0500
Subject: Hyd Winches
Thanks to everyone who responded to my req.
Sandy brought up a point I hadn't considered about
loosing the pump if the clutch is depressed on a
PTO driven pump.
I'm looking into the belt driven pump with an electric
clutch. Have to figure out a way of mounting it after I
locate one.
Wonder if a hydraulic driven snowblower will work
from one?
Bill Fishel
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From: urbncby@sgi.net (Scott C. Wickham Jr.)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:05:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Subscribing to the list
Dear Sir: I would like to subscribe to the Series LR owners list. Is
this all I have to do? If so send to the following email address, and
thank you in advance.
Scott Wickham
urbncby@sgi.net
1972 Ser.III (well, most of it anyway)
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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:40:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Subscribing to the list
On Sun, 10 Jan 1999, Scott C. Wickham Jr. wrote:
: Dear Sir: I would like to subscribe to the Series LR owners list. Is
:this all I have to do? If so send to the following email address, and
:thank you in advance.
What you need to do is a send a message to majordomo@land-rover.team.net
with the command "subscribe lro-digest" (minus the quotes. This
subscribes you to the daily digest version of the list. The digest
version means that you get one large mail with all the previous days
postings in it; I believe that it is sent around 0700 est. If you want to
subscribe to the real-time list, the command is "subscribe lro", again
leess the quotes. Be warned though, that the list can be very high
volume, 100 posts a day is not uncommon. There is also a version of the
digest cut into ~100KB pieces, but I don't remember its name.
David/Mr. Sinclair
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From: "John Baker" <daddyo@loxinfo.co.th>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:01:13 +0700
Subject: Rear Main Bearing Oil Seal
My 75 SIII 2.25 Petrol engine is leaking more oil than it should from the
rear crank seal. From the manual I have been looking at it is not clear if
the gbox has to be moved back and the flywheel removed for this operation.
I have tried the archives but couldn't find anything on that. I would
appreciate it if anybody could answer the question above, and also any
pointers/advice/tips on doing this job. I have not been able to access the
web version of the list for about a week now, I don't know what the problem
is, so please email me directly on this (daddyo@loxinfo.co.th)
John Baker
Bangkok
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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 23:50:11 EST
Subject: Re: Pieces parts
In a message dated 99-01-10 16:45:21 EST, you write:
<< I'm sure shi[ping for this amount of stuff from the UK will be nice
and cheap >>
Hmmm?, could someone please refresh my memory on the concept of "cheap"
Thanks.
Bill Lawrence
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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 00:03:20 EST
Subject: Re: Rear Main Bearing Oil Seal
In a message dated 99-01-10 23:04:05 EST, you write:
My 75 SIII 2.25 Petrol engine is leaking more oil than it should from the
rear crank seal. From the manual I have been looking at it is not clear if
the gbox has to be moved back and the flywheel removed for this operation.
I have tried the archives but couldn't find anything on that. I would
appreciate it if anybody could answer the question above, and also any
pointers/advice/tips on doing this job. I have not been able to access the
web version of the list for about a week now, I don't know what the problem
is, so please email me directly on this (daddyo@loxinfo.co.th)
John Baker
Bangkok >>
The rear main seal is a split, lip type seal which has to be assembled around
the crankshaft. It fits into a recess formed by the two c-shaped bearing
retainer halves which are bolted to the rear of the engine block. These
operations cannot be undertaken with the flywheel (and by the extension the
transmission) in place. Lots of luck.
Bill Lawrence
Albq, NM
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From: Russ Wilson <rwwilson@mho.net>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 11:05:35 -0700
Subject: Re: Pieces parts
>Hmmm?, could someone please refresh my memory on the concept of "cheap"
>Thanks.
Come on now Bill.... we know you have the big $$$$$. Everyone knows that
only rich folk can afford Dormobiles. ;)
Cheap is like beauty, it's in the eye of the beholder.
Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner
"That's just my opinion; I could be wrong...."
Dennis Miller
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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 00:14:43 EST
Subject: Re: An American Safari
In a message dated 99-01-10 10:50:45 EST, you write:
<< Since we decided to go south on Interstate 10 instead of 40, I missed
a chance to see Bill Lawrence (sorry bill, warmer down in Mesilla than
up your way, but not by much!). >>
Sorry we missed you but I notice that highway is still laying out there so
maybe there will be another time. Congratulations on your marriage and on
choosing an adventurous bride. Best of luck.
Bill Lawrence
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From: John <jhong@flex.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:19:01 -0800
Subject: Series III bulkhead stripped of plastic bits...
Anybody try this?
Does it expose a bunch of sharp metal edges?
I am thinking of doing this. I am willing to lose the storage tray and
would prefer to run Series II style heat/vent pipes. The instrument
cluster might be tricky?
John
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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 00:21:25 EST
Subject: Re: Pieces parts
In a message dated 99-01-11 00:10:15 EST, you write:
<< only rich folk can afford Dormobiles. ;)
>>
Now I know why I don,t own a Dormobile. Although for a while a couple of years
ago there was one that had been towed into a wrecker's yard a couple of miles
from the house. I guess the owner bailed it out because it was gone before I
got any information on it.
Bill lawrence
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From: BSharp4601@aol.com
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 00:31:02 EST
Subject: Rubber Shock Bushings
Anybody have a generic source for rubber shock bushings?
I'm running Rancho 9000's and the crappy little poly bushes that come with
them are driving me NUTS! They're just too hard to live with.
I've checked at Dick Cepek, where I bought them and those clowns don't
understand why I don't want them. Every little undulation in the road is
telegraphed through the shocks to the frame to me.
I can't use stock LR type rubber bushes because the Ranchos use smaller
hardware fittings to secure them to the truck (talk about under-designed...).
I've tried all the usual suspects... AutoZone, NAPA, BAP (you know, the
Japanese parts suppliers!), no luck.
TIA,
Bob Sharp
Tucson, AZ
96 Discovery Series I
53 Series I
60 Series II
63 Series IIa
72 Series III
(Yes, my driveway is considered a Class I oil spill by the EPA ;-)
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