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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:22:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Waving (was American Safari)

The Becketts wrote:

> >"I'm sorry but the Singers need to park outside with the rest of the
> >sewing machines..."
> Tom Rowe wrote:
> "Park your Sunbeam out with the loaves of bread"?
> AT LAST !!! Others on the list who appreciate Rootes Group cars
> Regards,

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> Regards,
> Ron (Hillman Owners Club)

For the other makes we could continue
Park your Riley out with the other Old Mothers

your Wolsley with the other sheep shearers

your Morris with the other Dancers
 your Morgan with the other horses.

John and Muddy

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:23:50 -0000
Subject: Re: Wiper arms:
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>>>As far as the blades actually cleaning, get good-quality blades and =
you'll be
surprised. I used to get cheap ones till I discovered the difference, =
and now I
won't buy anything but natural-rubber ones - they just clean better.<<<

and for what they cost (in the UK anyhow) I replace them every two =
years...

Best Cheers

Frank
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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:31:39 -0500
Subject: Re: Range Rover shimmy

I agree with you Mike. A stiff damper only masks the problem that I stll
think is a case of sloppy swivels. How long would it take to remove the
wheel, whack the tie rod off and see if the hub flops about like a dead
fish..

M. Tompkins wrote:

> Quite a few 'pub' members suspect a worn steering damper.
> I can't understand how that could case the shimmy.
> Can anyone explain how it could???
> The damper is optional equipment to absorb some of the
> violent jerking through the steering system when off road
> or maybe driving over curbs. Since the steering and
> suspension can operate without the damper, then it can
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> Like many I believe the panhard rod bushings are probably
> worn.

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From: robot1@juno.com
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 08:44:30 -0800
Subject: Wiper blades

Ever see wiper blades made? For the most part they're extruded rubber,
thousands of feet are made at a time. I just took the old blades with me
to an auto parts store and found blades with a similar cross-section. 
Remove the blade from it's metal strip, cut to length, and insert in the
metal strip original to your Rover. One package of 22" blades yields 4
11" wipers. This way you can get the fancy new rubber compounds not
available for the short blades. 

I think I'm going to try to add some outrigger springs to my wiper arms;
I tried to replace the springs but couldn't find any that were small
enough to fit inside the arm. It'll look funny,  but it'll appeal to my
bohemian nature.

Be well!

Mark Hardig
1967 109 regular "sheila"

You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <conseitl@sprint.ca>
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:07:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Range Rover shimmy

Jeremy Bartlett wrote:

> Does the shudder stop on braking?
> Have you replaced the steering damper?
>.
Well, if I start braking, the shudder doesn't stop until the lower speed
is attained, so much easier to give it some fuel and bring it out of the
shudder. No, haven't replaced the damper, or anything else for that
matter, but will look at it. I will order a set of pan-hards on Monday.
They are cheap, and might as well replace them when I go to install the
new steering box.  
Cheers, 

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"
1991 RR  "hers"

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From: SJH <SHARDING@SCHULTE-LAW.COM>
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:31:00 -0800
Subject: waxoyl/waxoil

can anyone tell me where I can obtain this stuff in or near Portland OR   
usa.  Also, I understand some feel boeshield t-9 remains waxy thus   
attracting dirt(not really a concern here, since 9 months of the year   
cars are subject to 24 hours a day "laundering"), but does waxoyl differ   
in this respect?  does it dry hard and not tacky?  DOes anyone care?   
 does tackiness (in a rust treatment) really matter in a very wet climate   
where I will reapply at least annually?

I want to give this rover the once over in the event I buy it, including   
full service of all fluids and (next summer when it dries out) rust   
treatment.

The discussion of 90 wt versus grease versus hitack has been helpful to   
me.

Thanks.
Simon Harding
lusting after and waiting to inspect a series IIa, still in the shop for   
carburetor adjust/tuneup (I was supposed to see it TODAY!!)  

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From: Garrick Brett Olsen <gbolsen@ALLINA.COM>
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 99 13:06:07 PST
Subject: Waxoyl 

I found the stuff in a catalog from "Triple C".  It's a 
British car enthusiasts catalog.  I don't have the # on me.  

Reputation/ Limit of experience:  I liked the fleece 
pullover my wife got mer for Christmas; except that it's got 

one o' them there new fangled Ser III on the placket!!

Name: Garrick Brett Olsen
E-mail: Garrick Brett Olsen <gbolsen@allina.com>
Date: 1/16/99
Time: 1:02:03 PM

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:11:16 +0100
Subject: Glow plugs

I have a theory that glow plugs should be fitted as a "matched set" - a
bit like semiconductors!

A few weeks ago, my 88 blew a glowplug - so I changed it with another of
another type which i had laying around as spare. A week later another
blew - so I changed that with another of the same (but different) type.
Today another blew.

My theory is, that the replacement plugs draw more current that the old
ones, in fact more than the old ones can handle, so gradually the old
ones go ping.

So tonight I will swap the lot for a new set which i now have bought.

Anyone else seen this phenomenum? Any theories, words of warning or
urban legends out there on this subject?

Keep me posted...

Adrian Redmond

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 15:31:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Glow plugs

When I used to run IH 414 diesel tractors I had to do the same thing except
I put it down to service life. When the first goes the others can't be far
behind. These plugs were very similar if not the same as the early Land
Rover ones.
John and Muddy

Adrian Redmond wrote:

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:51:41 -1000
Subject: Re: Waxoyl 

Eastwood sells some stuff that is very similar to waxoyl
http://shop.eastwoodco.com/cgi-bin/sgin0101.exe

Or you can do a quick search through the list archive and get all the
home-made recipies for the stuff, thread ran about 2 months back.
Pete

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:56:45
Subject: RE: HI TACH

I get mine at Twin "B" auto parts. They have filed for Ch-11, I may have to
find another place myself. Any way I have the bottle right here and this is
all they say as to an address.

        Hi-Tach Oil Co.
        Charlotte,NC 28224
Cheap sods don't even list a phone #. They do make good stuff though.

Hope you can find it.

Jim Wolf

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 17:10:38
Subject: RE: starbucks

>Easy!  You raise your coffee cup as in a toast, hold the phone against your
>ear with a shoulder and steer with a leg.  This can get busy if you are also
>changing gears.
>Done this in the Dormie.  If you are as graceful as I am, you drop the phone
>in the coffee.

Don't laugh, the other day I looked in my rear view and there tail gateing
me on I64 at 65mph was a Volvo, large haired blond with cell phone in one
hand and some sort of Mcsandwich in the other!!! I really don't want to
know exactly how this women was steering her car. She was trading the
sandwich and LARGE 7-11 drink cup, but was still talking on the phone.

Jim Wolf

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From: "Peter Howard" <rover@mrbean.net.au>
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:15:27 +1100
Subject: My new Series Web Page
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Hi all,
My apologies to those who have already seen this on the BBSs.
Check out Mustang Sallys Land Rover pages at mrbean.net.au/~rover
The pages have been up for a week now and I've been delighted by the =
positive response from readers.
Cheers,
Peter,
and "Mustang Sally"
Mackay
Australia.

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From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 18:02:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: My new Series Web Page

At 11:15 AM 1/17/99 +1100, Peter Howard <rover@mrbean.net.au> wrote:
:>My apologies to those who have already seen this on the BBSs.
:>Check out Mustang Sallys Land Rover pages at mrbean.net.au/~rover
:>The pages have been up for a week now and I've been delighted by the =
:>positive response from readers.
:>Cheers,
:>Peter,
:>and "Mustang Sally"
:>Mackay
:>Australia.

 What's this, Sharon Stone with a beard?  ;)

-Michael

 

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 01:14:03 +1100
Subject: Relays and lights

Marc-Andre Leger asks:
>Does anyone have the schematic / logic diagram of a standard
>Bosch relay ?
>Pins are 85 86 87 87a and 30

These are standard pinouts for relays of most manufacturers.  I'm fairly
sure it is (but I don't have a data book with me in the house):

Pin 85 - Negative lead (to relay coil)
Pin 86 - Positive lead (to relay coil)
Pin 87 - N.O. (Normally Open contact)
Pin 87a - N.C. (Normally Closed Contact)
Pin 30 - Common contact

Pin 85 goes to ground.
Pin 86 goes to the switch or connection which will operate the relay.
e.g., it will connect in series with the driving light switch and to a lead
going to the headlight high beam line.  In this way, you can't have driving
lights on unless you are on high beam.  Swithcing to low beam (dipping your
lights) will extinguish the driving lights.  Or switching the driving light
switch will turn the driving lights off
Pin 30 will go to battery via a fuse (it will feed the lights)
Pin 87 will go to the driving lights.
Pin 87a is not used in this application.

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 00:35:37 +1100
Subject: Waving (not Drowning)

Marin.Faure wrote:
>Today you can't tell a RR from a Ford Explorer from an Isuzu Trooper
> from a Jeep Grand Cherokee.  Even without paying much attention,
>I can spot a RR Classic way down the road.

I'd probably have to disagree.  That Exploder grille is
distinctive -especially the chromed one.  No other 4WD in Australia has a
grille like that.

Re RR Classics, I get caught out quite a lot (and I drive a Classic) by
older 2-door Isuzu Troopers (Holden Jackaroos in Australia).  The earliest
Troopers were a shameless copy of the Rangie (in looks).

Regards,
Ron Beckett
'86 Range Rover 4.6L
Webmaster Hillman Owners Club of Australia
Webmaster Land Rover Owners Club of Australia (Sydney Branch)
check my web site http//www.users.bigpond.com/hillman

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 23:53:24 EST
Subject: Re: Waving (was American Safari)

Hey! Something really strange happened to me today. Someone in a Disco
actually waved at me in my decrepit old Rangie. He actually raised his left
hand off the window sill and gave me a full hand wave. (not the usual middle
finger thing). I suppose he might have been a salesman or a Rangie owner on a
test drive. Or maybe he was trying to wipe something off the window. Whatever
it sure made me feel fraternal for a few seconds.

Bill Lawrence
Albq, NM

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 00:01:45 EST
Subject: Re: Back in the Land of Landies

In a message dated 99-01-16 00:00:38 EST, you write:

<<  I don't have
 any experience with the 2 litre engine, but the SI crowd seem to keep
 theirs' going. It's an F-head engine with the intake valve in the head
 and exhaust valve in the block. Jeep used a similar set-up on their
 "Hurricane" L4.
 
 Regards,
 David Cockey
  >>
While we're on the topic, I have one of these little jewels hanging on an
engine stand in my garage and I'm trying to round up enough parts and
fasteners to make it propel my 58 109" SI truck cab. Are there any old SI
hands out there who can turn me on to their parts sources so I can look
forward to driving it rather than watching it slowly sink into the yard. All
help appreciated.

Bill lawrence
Albq, NM

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 05:27:31 EST
Subject: re-Range Rover shimmey

Con Seitl wrote;
>I had an old Ford pickup 1972, and it did the same thing. The
>kingpins where worn out and had them fixed. It cured the problem.......
>the shakes that is, not being a Ford ;->

"Mike Tompkins" Wrote:
>I can't believe the damper
>can be the case. However, I do believe it can get worn
>as a result of the shimmy.

You have both hit the nail on the head. In the Range Rover read "swivel
bearings" for the Fords "kingpins". Once you have worn swivel bearings the
rest of the steering system takes a real bashing from trackrod ends, through
damper right up to steering box. The situation is often brought on faster by
our tendancy to fitt larger tyres. Just look under a 90 or 110 that were
designed to take 7.50 tyres and see the location and size of the steering
damper compared to a Range Rover. The damper is there to protect you the
driver and the steering components from violent kick backs whilst off road,
not to dampen out inherent shimmey. You should be able to run a Range Rover on
the road without a damper fitted and not notice any problems.

My hybrid suffered from appaling shimmey a couple of years ago. In my case it
came in at certain speeds, and if I hit a bump or raised manhole cover at any
speed it would start up. At the time I was running with badly pitted swivel
balls and after I re-built them the shimmey disapeared completely. Without
touching the damper.

Mike Rogers
Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid

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