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From: Wayne Davis <MrWD@bigpond.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:55:18 +-1100
Subject: Salisbury diff pinion oil seal

It seems that there are quite a number of rover owners who have a pinion seal 
oil leak on the Salisbury diff but are not sure how to get the tensions right 
on 
replacement. I am in the same situation and this is what I interpret from the 
manual. The manual says that the flange nut should be adjusted so that the 
pinion 
resistance to rotation, using a spring scale is:

	original pinion bearing 17.3 - 34.5 kgf/cm
	new pinion bearing      34.5 - 46.0 kgf/cm

Using the following formulae:
	
	NewtonMetres = kgf/cm X 0.098
	NewtonMetres = Newtons X radius (in decimals of 1 Metre)
	Newtons = Kilograms X 10

1. The resistance in Nm becomes:(rounded to 1 decimal point within the range)

	For original pinion bearing: 1.7 - 3.3 Nm 
	For new  pinion bearing:     3.3 - 4.5 Nm

2. For the next step you need to measure the diameter of the metal on the 
flange behind the universal joint facing and divide by 2 to get the radius.I 
measured 
my flange and the diameter was 6.2 cm so the radius is 3.1cm or 0.031 of a metre

The pull then becomes:

	For original pinion bearing: 55 - 106 Newtons 
	For new  pinion bearing:     106 - 145 Newtons

2. You then need a suitable spring scale,available from kitchenware shops, and 
some non-elastic string. Wrap about a dozen turns of string around the flange 
behind the universal joint plate in a single layer and attach the spring gauge 
to it. As soon as the tension builds on the crush washer (which must have been 
replaced) measure the pull with the spring frequently which should measure 
after initial inertia, a pull of:

	For original pinion bearing:   5.5  -10.6 Kg 
	For new  pinion bearing:     10.6 - 14.5 Kg 

Remember to rewind the string for each check and that once the tension builds 
on the crush washer that you must check the rotational load frequently. Also 
remember that the calculations in steps 2 & 3 were based on the dimension of 
the flange on my county, you should verify the flange diameter on your own 
vehicle.

Note that this should be done with both axles disconnected from the diff.

If anyone out there reading this knows a competent mechanical engineer I would 
appreciate verification of the above.

As for the pinion bolt, the only thing I can think of is a lon steel bar with 
holes in one end to bolt to the flange holesand enough length to wedge it to 
the 
ground or the underbody!

Wayne Davis. 
	

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From: "Kevin and Crew" <willeys@cyberus.ca>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:28:40 -0500
Subject: whole nine yards
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yes that is right " the whole nine" yards refers to an ammo belt and it =
is nine yards since that is all that would fit in the ammo tray in the =
wing.  the british connection as i recall is that the saying originated =
from the spitfire sqn.'s.  can't remember when i heard this but i do =
remember the guy was a wwII pilot.
hope you will be able to sleep nights now

Kevin Willey
1996 disko (edith),
1973 lightweight,
1987 Merlin, 1998 True North soft tail(full boing)
Hummers hum but Land Rovers know the words !

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From: "oldhaven" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:57:31 -0500
Subject: Ambulance Register list

Frank, 
Thank you for the kind assistance.  That would be helpful.  We have
an informal (copy addresses on e-mail) forum set up now but will probably
need something more structured if more people get involved  I suppose we
will eventually get something together for a website.  For now we  are
trying just to get an idea how many are out there.  Your lead to the
Ex-Military LR association was helpful, and we have had a few contacts
since my posting about overseas vehicles.  We are mostly interested in
Series ambulances for now but if any lucky owners of Defender, 110, or 101
Ambulance vehicles want to discuss their plans they are welcome.  Steve
O'Neil has suggested we call ourselves the Ambulance Chasers but I'd be
afraid of attracting the wrong kind of  negative attention in web
searches. We are discussing the timely issue of heating systems right now,
and thinking about future spare part issues.

Interested owners or the seriously curious send an e-mail to me at 
oldhaven@gwi.net or to Steve O'Neil ( rovneps@hotmail.com), whose 
enthusiasm started all this, with information or questions.  I tend to be 
busy at times so may take a few days to reply, but I will, including the 
addresses of those on the forum.

My wife tends to call mine The Big A but I hope to discourage her as it 
cuts too close for comfort.

Ron Franklin

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:11:12 -0400
Subject: Re: 'british company that deal mostly with the metric system'

"Franklin H. Yap" wrote:

> Bill Caloccia wrote:
> > As I recall when they were teaching it in grade school stateside, the
> > US was supposed to be totally metric in the 80's (HA!)
> > As for the Brits I'm guess it was the late 70's, maybe early 80's that they
> > be-grudgingly went metric.
> As I recall, in the late '60s some schools were starting to teach SI (metric) 
in
> anticipation of GCE changes in the physics exam.
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> anticipation of GCE changes in the physics exam.
> Frank

In the 60s in England I had to learn the metric system as well as the Imperial 
so
what
with Kilojules, rods (poles or perches) chains, cwts (112lbs)  decameters.
decemeters, BTUs, calories. Calories and kilocalories it is no wonder that I 
havn't
learned any thing since. My brain is full I tell you, full!
John and Muddy

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:23:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Land Rover produktion slow down

Thorsten Klein wrote:

> Hello all
> Yesterday evening I have seen the news in EURONEWS. They have reported
> the Land Rover has to slow down the produktion and that they do not
> produce Range Rovers and Defenders from now until april.
> Thorsten, glad that I have my D110 since Xmas.

Ford in Europe has also announced a shut down till April. The European car
market went flat in hurry after Christmas.

John and Muddy

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:49:54 +0200
Subject: Re: 'british company that deal mostly with the metric system'

I'm confused about the confusion!

I also grew up with dual systems, so I'm quite comfortable with objects
a foot long by a metre wide...

Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:54:50 +0200
Subject: Re: Series gearbox with V8 (wasV-8 rebuild)

Andy Grafton wrote:
> main bearings) that are the same or very similar on SII and SIII
> 'boxes.  I don't think the type of Series 'box makes that much
> difference in terms of power output, although I think the SII box is
> better designed.

'fraid it does make a difference, Andy. The SIII gears are somewhat
slimmer to make space for the extra synchromesh cluster, therefore
inherently weaker. A mate with a 4.1 in his SIII uses a IIa box (with
Rover diffs) and has many rough miles under the bonnet without mishap.
Myself, I'll make that a Santanna box and salisbury's every time,
thanks.
  
Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za

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From: Dave Haynes <david.haynes@roke.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:12:06 -0800
Subject: Imperial vs. Metric

"Kevin Campbell" <KCampbell@AdRem.net> wrote :

>You will find that everywhere it matters - engineering, construction,
>architecture etc., that the UK has been entirely metric for at least 20

>years. Yes, we have miles and pints, but petrol is no longer sold in

Umm, not quite...
I am an electronics engineer, currently working on the next generation
mobile phone
systems. We have to switch back and forth between metric and imperial
sizes all the time!
e.g. a circuit board will have its length / width defined in mm. However
its thickness
is defined as often in 'thou' as in microns. The copper plating may be
specified in
microns also, but more usually by its weight in *AARGH*  ounces / sq.
foot!

The most modern component packages are called 'surface mount', the type
that have no wires attached and are soldered directly to the circuit
board. Their sizes are standard for the most part, and referred to
as 1206, 0805, or 0402 amongst others. Any guesses?
Yes, thats right 1206 is (12 x 10thou) by (6 x 10 thou) or 3mm by 1.5
mm.
Most of my work is in 0402 which accounts for my eyesight!

Connectors, ribbon cables etc. all have standard pin spacings in decimal
inches (e.g. 0.125").It would be too old fashioned to state 1/8"

Confused ? I am!

Dave

'78 Rangie

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 99 06:29:30 -0800
Subject: Loose nuts? (was so, I'm an idiot)

>>So professionals forget to tighten them too. 
;
;>They have run campaigns reminding truckers to check wheel lugs (nuts in 
=
;>the UK) PARTICULARLY within six hours of their replacement.

After reading this I just had a thought.  I've been bringing my TR3A back 
onto the road after an extensive rebuild.  Maybe before I take her out on 
another shakedown cruise I should go out and and give each of the 
knock-offs a good whack with the old lead hammer.  It hasn't been done 
since I first started moving the car.

Getting back to lug nuts... generally my problem is the opposite to 
loose.  When I have my tyres mounted or rebalanced. some idiot tightens 
them with an air wrench tighter than I can take them off with a lug 
wrench.  I have switched from traditional lug wrenches to a 1/2 inch 
impact socket and breaker bar to get more leverage.

I have gotten into the habit of bringing my car home, jacking it up, 
removing the lug nuts with an electric impact wrench then hand tightening 
them using the same tool that will remove them in the field.  Nothing 
like being out in the middle of nowhere with a flat tyre and a nut that 
will not budge with your tools.  I do not want to go through that again.

I found one source for that problem last time I has new tyres mounted.  I 
looked at a wall chart giving lug nut torque specs.  Surprisingly there 
was nothing there for series rigs but Defenders were listed at 85-90 
pounds.  When the "mechanic" started tightening the lug nuts with a air 
torque wrench I asked him not to over tighten them.  He said they are all 
uniformly torques down to factory specification.  In this case 140 pounds.

I immediately asked him to stop then asked him how he got 140 pounds of 
torque.  He said he got it off the wall chart.  I told him to show me.  
He pointed to the Toyota Land Cruiser torque specs.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: "Andy Grafton" <andyg@sherco.co.za>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:17:43 +0200
Subject: Re: Series gearbox with V8 (wasV-8 rebuild)

Paul wrote about SII vs. SIII 'boxes;

> 'fraid it does make a difference, Andy. The SIII gears are 
#somewhat slimmer to make space for the extra synchromesh 
>cluster, therefore inherently weaker.

I didn't know that...  Thanks.
^O
All the best,

Andy

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From: Terje Krogdahl <tekr@nextel.no>
Date: 28 Jan 1999 15:39:21 +0100
Subject: Re: Historical Question

"Andy Grafton" <andyg@sherco.co.za> writes:

> Me, I'm still waiting for metric time; 100 minutes in an hour, 100 
> seconds in a minute.

I'd welcome this, as maybe then I would be able to get my work finished
on time :-)

I might even have time to fix the leaks in the electrics in my 88"
(Look! Genuine Rover content!)

> Boy would that have helped with time-distance calculations at 
> school.

Wouldn't a cube shaped planet help even more?

-- 
Terje Krogdahl
Norwegian Land Rover Club
http://www.nlrk.no
1972 SIII 2235mm 2.25 petrol

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:43:49 +0200
Subject: Re: Loose nuts? (was so, I'm an idiot)

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
> I immediately asked him to stop then asked him how he got 140 pounds of
> torque.  He said he got it off the wall chart.  I told him to show me.
> He pointed to the Toyota Land Cruiser torque specs.

But, TeriAnn, it's 'cos he can't bloody read... saw a joke in the paper
today, went something like "Why is a bomb smarter than an American high
school kid? 'cos at least it knows where Iraq is" - I didn't say it,
THEY did!
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za

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From: "Andy Woodward" <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:44:31 -0000
Subject: Roof top tents (2)

\Well it looks like the hikers tent and fixings on the roof rack is the 
\best solution. I am certainly not going to complain at the 100ukp 
\instead of the 600+ ukp!!

For a good one, you'll be looking at 200quid. 100 quid ones leak and blow 
away in gales (or when you drive off with it pitched on teh roof...)

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 06:29:31 -1000
Subject: Re: 88 Axle For Sale

> a axle which was from a
>III which has been modified to fit a 88.

I hate to ask this, but what modifications are needed to fit a Series III
axle to an 88??? am I missing something?
Mahalo
Pete

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:54:41 +0000
Subject: Re: 88 Axle For Sale

>I hate to ask this, but what modifications are needed to fit a Series III
>axle to an 88??? am I missing something?

If its from a 109" the spring mounting points need moving.1" inwards,
Ithink.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Clinton Coates <ccoates@GOLDER.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:51:00 -0800
Subject: non rover question

     Sorry for the Spork, but there is a Guiness on the line here (note 
     Rover content....)
     
     My father in law are disagreeing about whether Opel is owned by Ford 
     or GM.  I say Ford.  He says GM.  The looser gets to buy a case of 
     Guiness and share it with the winner.  A pointer to a website with 
     documentary evidence would be better than a '..I think it is...' 
     answer.
     
     Thanks.
     
     Clinton

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:28:46 -0800
Subject: Re: Historical question

From: kevin.murphy@ps.ge.com
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:58:16 -0500
Subject: Historical Question

>Here's a random question that came to me yesterday for some unknown reason.
As all of you know, the numbers associated with Defenders and Series refer
to the length of the wheel base... in inches:  90, 110, 88, 109, etc.
I have several books on the history of Land Rover and have read many online
histories, but none of them have answered the question as to why a British
company, who deals mostly in the Metric system, would label their vehicles
in Inches?

Because the British were not on the metric system until relatively recently.  
It's a common misconception that every country in Europe has always been 
metric.  
The UK was a holdout long after most European countries had made the switch.  
If you work on a Series Land Rover, you'll find that all the fasteners are 
either 
SAE (1/2", 1/4", etc.) or (I think) BSF (British Standard Fine) which are still 
calibrated in fractions of an inch but are measured differently.  I believe the 
Whitworth tools that are needed for some of the fasteners on a Land Rover are 
BSF.  Land Rover changed to metric dimensions relatively recently.  My 1991 
Range 
Rover is for the most part metric, although I occasionally run across an SAE 
fastener, mostly in the larger nut or bolt sizes.

But people in the UK still refer to distances in miles even though they are 
officially now measured in kilometers, and they still measure things in feet 
and 
inches even though they officially aren't supposed to.  The single most hated 
measurement in the UK seems to be litres: everyone I've ever talked to still 
talks in terms of gallons (Imperial gallons), but of course all the gas pumps 
have all been converted to read in litres.

But at the time all the Series Land Rovers and Defenders were created, inches 
and feet were the standard method of measurement in the UK.  Hence the 80, 86, 
88, 90, 101, 107, 109, 110, and 130 (technically 127) wheelbase lengths and 
model numbers.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: "Kevin Campbell" <KCampbell@AdRem.net>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:31:32 -0800
Subject: RE: non rover question

You lose. This is kinda easy:

1. Go to www.opel.com
2. Click to enter
3. read the copyright message "1998 General Motors Europe" on first page.

Kevin
Bothell WA

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:38:11 EST
Subject: Re: non rover question

In a message dated 1/28/99 10:18:18 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
ccoates@GOLDER.com writes:

<<      My father in law are disagreeing about whether Opel is owned by Ford 
      or GM.  I say Ford.  He says GM.  The looser gets to buy a case of 
      Guiness and share it with the winner >>

Loser!  But since you get to share the winnings, it isn't that bad! 

Take a look at http://www.opel.com/cgi-
bin/webc/www.opel.com/english/frameset.cgi?31740

In the copyright, it says General Motors Europe.

You can also look at some only Pontiac's and see the similarity between it and
the Opel Cadet (Kadet?) of years past.

I drove them when I worked in the Netherlands and they were OK for a small
$hitbox!

In an ever changing word, Ford is buying Volvo and TRW is now buying Lucas.
Makes keeping a scorecard complicated!

Cheers,
Gerry Elam
PHX AZ

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:41:45 -0400
Subject: Re: non rover question

Clinton Coates wrote:

>      Sorry for the Spork, but there is a Guiness on the line here (note
>      Rover content....)
>      My father in law are disagreeing about whether Opel is owned by Ford
>      or GM.  I say Ford.  He says GM.  The looser gets to buy a case of
>      Guiness and share it with the winner.  A pointer to a website with
>      documentary evidence would be better than a '..I think it is...'
>      answer.
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>      Thanks.
>      Clinton

You loose . Go buy the Guiness
Opel along with Vauxhall in Britain are GMs European divisions
John and Muddy

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:44:54 -0800
Subject: Re: Historical Question

From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:25:37 -0500
Subject: Re: Historical Question

>The French invented driving on the wrong side of the road too!

I recently completed directing a segment of a marketing film that involved the 
use of a stagecoach that was an accurate replica of an 1800's coach down to the 
bolt sizes and construction techniques.  In the US, all stagecoaches, wagons, 
and other horse-drawn vehicles that had a driver's seat wide enough for two 
people were driven from the RIGHT side of the vehicle.  That's where the brake 
bar was mounted.  The left seat was occupied by a guard, assistant, passenger, 
or nobody.  While most of the roads were only one "lane", the owner of the 
coach we used for the filming, who is quite the historical expert on this type 
of 
conveyance, said that when two stagecoaches met, each one passed to the left of 
the other, putting the drivers on the inside so they could better judge the 
clearance between the coaches.  So the US started out driving on the left; 
somewhere along the line we switched, but my stagecoach expert had no idea why.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:41:39 EST
Subject: Re: non rover question

In a message dated 1/28/99 10:40:27 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
GElam30092@aol.com writes:

<< You can also look at some only Pontiac's and see the similarity between it
and
 the Opel Cadet (Kadet?) of years pas >>

FWIW, it should have read OLDER and not ONLY.

Cheers,
Gerry

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From: SJH <SHARDING@SCHULTE-LAW.COM>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:33:00 -0800
Subject: non-rover question

Clinton wrote:  is opel owned by ford or GM

can't give you a website, but at first I thought it was GM, now I'm   
thinking Ford!!

does the loser get to buy himself a guiness or is the price of losing   
watching the other drink the beer the loser paid for???

simon harding Portland OR USA
still waiting for the 1970 IIa to get out of the shop so I can get a look   
at it!  

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:06:05 -0800
Subject: Re: Leak question

From: "John Baker" <daddyo@loxinfo.co.th>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:50:23 +0700
Subject: Leak Question

>I am being plagued by a leak from between the gbox and engine.

This may not be at all relevant to your situation, but when my '73 Series III 
was about 12 years old, it began to seep oil out of the joints between the 
various gearbox components (gearbox-bellhousing, gearbox-transfer case).  The 
problem wasn't failed shaft seals, but was the actual joint gaskets which had, 
over time, pretty much disintegrated.  By the time I decided to do something 
about it, the oil was seeping out almost as fast as I was putting it in.   You 
say 
you've had your transmission rebuilt not long ago, but I wonder if the joint 
gaskets were installed properly (or at all)?

Other than the odor difference, engine oil is usually blacker or darker than 
gearbox oil unless the oil in the engine is fresh, in which case it is usually 
clearer, and a bit more brown, than gearbox oil.  Gearbox oil has an almost 
yellow-green tinge to it, and it rarely changes color over time as it's not 
likely 
to be loading up with the kinds of contaminates that get into engine oil.  
Looking underneath a vehicle, engine oil drops clinging to chassis parts tend 
to 
hang down a little lower and look more the consistency of water than gear oil, 
which being thicker tends to cling "tighter" to the chassis components.

When you determine the actual cause of your leak, please let us know.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:09:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Loose nuts? (was so, I'm an idiot)

On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
:After reading this I just had a thought.  I've been bringing my TR3A back 
:onto the road after an extensive rebuild.  Maybe before I take her out on 
:another shakedown cruise I should go out and and give each of the 
:knock-offs a good whack with the old lead hammer.  It hasn't been done 
:since I first started moving the car.

Knock-offs are self-tightening.  That is why one has left handed threads,
and the other right handed threads.  If you have driven the car, and the
wheels haven't comeoff, they aren't likely to.  This assumes the the
threads and the splines are in good shape.  Of course, don't let me of all
people discourage you from giving them a good whack.  

:I found one source for that problem last time I has new tyres mounted.  I 
:looked at a wall chart giving lug nut torque specs.  Surprisingly there 
:was nothing there for series rigs but Defenders were listed at 85-90 
:pounds.  When the "mechanic" started tightening the lug nuts with a air 
:torque wrench I asked him not to over tighten them.  He said they are all 
:uniformly torques down to factory specification.  In this case 140 pounds.
:

I always tell them not to use an air gun to put the lugnuts on with.  I
have never seen anyone set the torque on one.  I tell them 75 ft-lbs, by
hand.  When I got the current set of tires, the by hand bit got passed to
the guy in the shop.  The torque spec didn't, so he put them on to 120
ft-lbs.  By hand!  buggered three lugs, he did.

David/ mr sinclair

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:23:18 EST
Subject: Re: non rover question

In a message dated 99-01-28 13:02:18 EST, you write:

<< You lose, my next door neighbor works as a engineer at the local
 german opel plant. He was sent over from the states by GM. In the UK
 they are referred to as Vauxhall(maybe you can use this last bit to go
 double or nothing)...;-)
 Smitty
 --Clinton Coates <ccoates@GOLDER.com> wrote:
 Sorry for the Spork, but there is a Guiness on the line here (note 
  Rover content....)
   My father in law are disagreeing about whether Opel is owned by Ford 
  or GM.  I say Ford.  He says GM.  The looser gets to buy a case of 
  Guiness and share it with the winner.  A pointer to a website with 
  documentary evidence would be better than a '..I think it is...' 
  answer.
  Thanks.
  Clinton
 
 >>

For triple or nothing, in Austrailia, it's Holden.

I quote Ace Ventura "Loo-Hoo, Se-Her!"

Charles

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:17:51 -0800
Subject: Metric Time

> Me, I'm still waiting for metric time; 100 minutes in an hour, 100 
> seconds in a minute.
I'd welcome this, as maybe then I would be able to get my work finished
on time :-)

Yeah, but they would probably give us only 10 hours per day too..   And
maybe 10 day's per week.

"Time is that which is manufactured by clocks."
--Sir Hermann Bondi

Paul in Victoria.

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From: "Bill Fishel" <bfishel@cisnet.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 14:06:12 -0500
Subject: re:historical and time and odometer gears

> Me, I'm still waiting for metric time; 100 minutes in an hour, 100 
> seconds in a minute.

>I'd welcome this, as maybe then I would be able to get my work finished
>on time :-)

My paycheck is done this way. 100 units to the hour. 1:50 is only 1 and a
half
hours pay.

anybody ever tried to buy just the odometer gear for a jaeger speedometer?
nobody wants to sell just the gear, they all want me to send the
speedometer
to them.

I rebuilt everything else that needed it, so how come I'm not allowed to
replace
an odometer gear myself.

Bill Fishel

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:34:29 -0700
Subject: Re: Loose nuts? (was so, I'm an idiot)

But not during braking. My father had a spinner come off his Jag. Check
them TW.
Jim Hall
Elephant Chaser 1966 88" truck cab
http://silverstone.fortunecity.com/cowley/62/

David Scheidt wrote:

> Knock-offs are self-tightening.  That is why one has left handed threads,
> and the other right handed threads.

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <conseitl@sprint.ca>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:50:51 -0400
Subject: Lucas Starter

For all you Lucas fans;
        I've got a Lucas starter here that I'm trying to identify. The
numbers appearing on the case are:  3M100 (model?) and part # 25691A.
Talked with Moss motors and they have a listing of it, but can't
identify what it belongs to.  I've got some catalogues of Austin,
Triumph, MG's etc, but no luck. The starter has a cast alum. hood over
the drive gear, unlike the LR, but the end cap and case are the same as
the LR, minus the solenoid that's mounted on the side of the case.
Anyone?

TIA

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"
1991 RR "hers"

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:02:03 -0500
Subject: Metrics

Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za> wrote:

>Umm, Kevin, the "imperial" measurement system was so called because it
>originated in the United Kingdom, not because of any imperial
>inclinations the incumbents of the Whitehouse may or may not have (or
>have had).

OK, gang, here's some real trivia for ya'.  Which President signed the
metric system into law in the US?  It was Johnson.  *Andrew* Johnson.  In
1867.  No wonder they tried to impeach him!.  Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  |                                                   |
  |   (original owner)        (pre-production)        | 
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: Mark Perry <marperry@videon.wave.ca>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:54:15 -0600
Subject: Re: Non-Rover -Opel

Opel has been a GM holding since the 1930s - there's currently a stink
being raised in various quarters about GM profiteering during the Nazi
regime (Opel trucks for the Wermacht, etc.), slave labour, compensation,
and so on. Lawsuits pending.

Mark Perry
('66 SIIA)

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:34:39 EST
Subject: Re: Lucas Starter

In a message dated 99-01-28 14:57:21 EST, you write:

<< For all you Lucas fans;
         I've got a Lucas starter here that I'm trying to identify. The
 numbers appearing on the case are:  3M100 (model?) and part # 25691A.
 Talked with Moss motors and they have a listing of it, but can't
 identify what it belongs to.  I've got some catalogues of Austin,
 Triumph, MG's etc, but no luck. The starter has a cast alum. hood over
 the drive gear, unlike the LR, but the end cap and case are the same as
 the LR, minus the solenoid that's mounted on the side of the case.
 Anyone?
 
 TIA
 
 Con Seitl
 1973 III 88 "Pig"
 1991 RR "hers"
 >>

Con,

First mistake was talking to Moss: they only know what they sell! (barely)

It sounds like a MGB starter: what side of a engine does the starter mount on?

 What side of the casing (in relation to position on the engine) does the
solenoid mount on?

Is the rear of the casing flat, or are the edges rounded, with a rubber plug
on the back of the drive?

What are the dimensions of the starter?

I ask, because the 2M100/3M100 series had tons of applications, as did the
part number in particular, on most of the lucas starters (example: the starter
on a Mk.1/2 Mini, will fit ANY A-series engine of that era, as well as some
Triumph engines). The same goes for generators (once repaired the generator on
my SII using pieces of a core that I had from my TR-4)

Charles

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:16:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Non-Rover -Opel

Mark Perry wrote:

> Opel has been a GM holding since the 1930s - there's currently a stink
> being raised in various quarters about GM profiteering during the Nazi
> regime (Opel trucks for the Wermacht, etc.), slave labour, compensation,
> and so on. Lawsuits pending.
> Mark Perry
> ('66 SIIA)

Well there would be law suits wouldn't there.
John and Muddy

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From: "Richard Clarke"<Richard.Clarke@nre.vic.gov.au>
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:29:05 +1000
Subject: Re: wheels falling off

A lot of older trucks, and a few cars over the years too, have had left
hand threaded wheel nuts on the passenger side (Aus/UK ) as the momentum of
the wheel tends to keep them tight as distinct from the momentum causing
them to loossen.  This is particularly important with the old 'knock-ons'
like found on old MGs - the newer racing cars with the single nut have a
pin to stop it working loose

I think sometimes if the wheel studs and nuts are a bit worn and not done
up very tight (you don't want to do them up too ticht on series 1s and IIs
or you'll wreck the stud) they will tend to work themselves loose, and once
they start to get loosse they can fall off very quickly

I recommend checking them every now and then anyway, particularly on the
left side (I think I got the side right - I need to go home and check the
Blitz as its got left hand threads on one side :-))

just my opinion, based on a bit of observation

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 99 09:33:58 -0500
Subject: Re[2]: Original Wheels 

>The 88 rim was shipped with a 7.00 x 16 tyre on it, while the 109 would have 
>been shod in 7.50 x 16s

nope. 6.5 or something like that, but not 7.00s. 
I have the 88 rims with 235/85/16's and havent had any problems with the trie 
fitting, in fact when told of the rim width the shop didn't have any problems 
with putting em on there. Just isn't the ideal size.
If I had to do it again though i would have put tubes in.
later
dave

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 99 09:40:09 -0500
Subject: Re[2]: Original Wheels 

Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com wrote:

> The 16s were original (make sure that they're all the same part number!) , and
> are correct for the truck's year. The 15s were an abomination put on Rovers
> later on in the early 70s, when people twitched at the price of 16-inch tyres 
> and 15-inch rubber was much more common.

>I believe 15s were on late 60's 2A in the US.

yes 15's were from 68-74, i,e,, all headlight in wing rovers in NA.

later
dave

ps you can fit 33x9.5" BFG Mud terrains to the 15 inch wheels, these are a 
little bigger than the 7.50x16's and 235/85/16's we all hold so dear.
Also the 15" rim is wider than the narrow 88" rim. 
later
dave

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 99 09:42:24 -0500
Subject: Re: Leak Question 

>4. The gearbox was rebuilt not long ago by a man who proved to be totally 
>incompetant. 

Series IIa or III?

dave

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From: William Leacock <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:08:13 -0500
Subject: Inches

KM writes I have several books on the history of Land Rover and have read
many online
histories, but none of them have answered the question as to why a British
company, who deals mostly in the Metric system, would label their vehicles
in Inches?
 The metric system started to be introduced  in the UK in the late fifites,
but not until the eighties did it become more common and government mandated
and then, no doubt with it's eye on Europe Rover started to use metric
threads etc, indeed it was in the sixties that they switched from British to
American threads. So history and tradition dictate the wheelbase in inches,
anyway the metric converesions for the Imperial dimensions are awful.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "Wise Owl Innovation Incorporated" <wiseowl@direct.ca>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:26:01 -0800
Subject: Re: re:historical and time and odometer gears

Bill if you fax me a sketch showing which gear you need and how many teeth
i might be able to find you one Ray
Fax 604-921-7290 

----------
> From: Bill Fishel <bfishel@cisnet.com>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: re:historical and time and odometer gears
> Date: Saturday, January 28, 1995 11:06 AM
> > Me, I'm still waiting for metric time; 100 minutes in an hour, 100 
> > seconds in a minute.
> >I'd welcome this, as maybe then I would be able to get my work finished
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)]
> hours pay.
> anybody ever tried to buy just the odometer gear for a jaeger
speedometer?

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:40:07 EST
Subject: Re: Historical Question

In a message dated 99-01-28 02:33:52 EST, you write:

 Boy would that have helped with time-distance calculations at 
 school.
 
 All the best,
 
 Andy
 Who thinks in inches, measures in centimetres and drinks pints 
 measured in half litres.  No wonder I always have the wrong 
 spanner for the job. >>
Yeah I think ws need another new set of standards, as if I weren't confused
enough.

Bill Lawrence

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:57:34 EST
Subject: Re: Imperial vs. Metric

In a message dated 99-01-28 09:13:34 EST, you write:

 >You will find that everywhere it matters - engineering, construction,
 >architecture etc., that the UK has been entirely metric for at least 20
 >years. Yes, we have miles and pints, but petrol is no longer sold in
 Umm, not quite...
 I am an electronics engineer, currently working on the next generation
 mobile  >>

When you really get down to it it's only the pints that count. All else is
trivia. 
Here's lookin at you!

Bill Lawrence

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:10:41 -0400
Subject: new system (was historical)

I believe that as responsible LR owners we should lead the world in a
new measurement system with the lineal base unit to be equal to 21
inches or the difference between 88 and 109. this shall be hence forth
known as the Landy.
Speed shall have a dedicated unit roughly equal to 45 mph known as Land-
Speed.
Thus when you take note of your speed you have established a Land-Speed
record.
  Yes this has distinct possibilities.
John and Muddy

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:08:58 EST
Subject: Re: non rover question

In a message dated 99-01-28 12:18:18 EST, you write:

      My father in law are disagreeing about whether Opel is owned by Ford 
      or GM.  I say Ford.  He says GM.  The looser gets to buy a case of 
      Guiness and share it with the winner.  A pointer to a website with 
      documentary evidence would be better than a '..I think it is...' 
      answer.
      
      Thanks.
      
      Clinton >>
If your father in law is willing to split a case of Guinness with you then
it's not a total loss. You might want to buy it cool so you don't have to wait
to drown your sorrows. Opel is owned by GM and has been for quite a while. If
I recall correctly when they were importing them into the US they were
distributed through Buick dealerships.

Bill (sounds like a sucker bet to me) Lawrence
Albq, NM

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From: urbncby@sgi.net (Scott C. Wickham Jr.)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:26:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: V8 and tractor motors

>I'll take the 2.25 over a V8 any day in a Series rover.
>Bill Fishel

  Bill, get that Rover on the road!!!  We are planning a trip to Altoona
soon, and I'm sure MANY more trips for '99.  We need more members for the
Fort Pitt Land Rover Group!  If anyone else is interested, we're in
Pittsburgh, pa., have no fee, no newsletter, no t-shirts, no officials,
just a love of the Rover product, and good dark beer, of course!  We have
access to a garage for the meetings, the 40 year+ experience of a mechanic
who likes Rovers alot, and more Rover experience every day!  My # at the
garage (Scot Auto) is 412-828-5545.  It's a family business so you'll
probably talk to Scot Sr., I'm the Jr.  Come on Bill, get on the ball, we
want to see that SIII!

   Scott C. Wickham Jr.
     Pittsburgh, Pa.
     1972 Ser III
     Zebra truck
     

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From: IBEdwardp@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:27:39 EST
Subject: Re: new system (was historical)

In a message dated 99-01-28 20:09:39 EST, you write:

<< I believe that as responsible LR owners we should lead the world in a
 new measurement system with the lineal base unit to be equal to 21
 inches or the difference between 88 and 109. this shall be hence forth
 known as the Landy >>
And this would be entirely in keeping with my long held belief that the
maximum output from a round Smith's heater is one (1) British Thermal Unit.

Ed Bailey
Millennium Falcon S2a 88
East Tennessee

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:18:00 EST
Subject: Re: historical and time and odometer gears

In a message dated 99-01-28 13:54:33 EST, you write:

 anybody ever tried to buy just the odometer gear for a jaeger speedometer?
 nobody wants to sell just the gear, they all want me to send the
 speedometer
 to them.
 
 I rebuilt everything else that needed it, so how come I'm not allowed to
 replace
 an odometer gear myself.
 
 Bill Fishel
 
 >>
Call MOMA at 505 766-6661, Talk to Margaret Lucas. I'll bet she can help.

Bill Lawrence
Albq, NM

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From: urbncby@sgi.net (Scott C. Wickham Jr.)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:34:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Leak Question

>I am being plagued by a leak from between the gbox and engine.

  So was I, it turned out to be the retainer halves of the rear main seal.
I think it spoke of smearing the british equivelant of rtv onto the halves,
then so on and so on...FAILED TO SAY THAT IF YOU DON'T FILL THE 1/8" GAP
BETWEEN THE TWO THAT THE ENGINE PISSES OIL OUT OF THE WADING PLUG!  And
knowbody I talked to seemed to mention this.  I used part of the cork
t-seals that came with my new rear main seal that I ordered but did'nt
need.  Cut to fit, skimmed THOSE with rtv and have'nt had a problem since.

   Scott C. Wickham Jr.
     Pittsburgh, Pa.
     1972 Ser III
     Zebra truck
     

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From: IBEdwardp@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:16:38 EST
Subject: Re: Historical Question (No LR Content)

Errr. Don't the French, who started this whole metric thing, still navigate
with nautical miles? Something to do with a "mile a minute" latitude? Are 100
degree circles a little bit cumbersome?

Ed Bailey
Millenniun Falcon 66 S2a 88
East Tennessee

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From: urbncby@sgi.net (Scott C. Wickham Jr.)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:52:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: non rover question

>     My father in law are disagreeing about whether Opel is owned by Ford
>     or GM.  I say Ford.  He says GM.

  Buick division

   Scott C. Wickham Jr.
     Pittsburgh, Pa.
     1972 Ser III
     Zebra truck
     

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:52:28 EST
Subject: Re: wheels falling off

In a message dated 99-01-28 16:35:27 EST, you write:

 A lot of older trucks, and a few cars over the years too, have had left
 hand threaded wheel nuts on the passenger side (Aus/UK ) as the momentum of
 the wheel tends to keep them tight as distinct from the momentum causing
 them to loossen.  This is particularly important with the old 'knock-ons'
 like found on old MGs - the newer racing cars with the single nut have a
 pin to stop it working loose
  >>

This is true of a large nut such as the center lock nut on a wire wheel, but
the inertial forces on a lugnut are so small it won't have any effect unless
the nut starts out loose. Thus the abandonment of this practice by all major
manufacturers. (stocking both right and left hand threaded hardware cuts into
profits.) 

One interesting sidelight on this is that this system is used on all of the
tactical vehicles in use by the US military. The kicker is that all of the
left hand threads are on the left side of the vehicle while the right hand
threads are on the right. Sounds logical but i's ASS BACKWARDS.  To illustrate
the point just imagine you are Superman (I said IMAGINE, your not going to
fool your wife, girlfriend,other) Now imagine the vehicle is driving past you
and you reach out and grab a lugnut. If the lugnut would tend to stop the
vehicle it is correct. If the lugnut would tend to spin off of the lug  it is
wrong.

I suppose some ignorant  bureacratic brass hat couldn't stand the sight of all
those  " Ls" stamped on the right hand side of his vehicle and raised enough
hell that the engineers just gave up. That's one to tell their grandkids.

Bill (bemused) Lawrence
Albq., NM    

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From: urbncby@sgi.net (Scott C. Wickham Jr.)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:23:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Imperial vs. Metric

>Confused ? I am!
>Dave
>'78 Rangie

  Bet you buy aspirin by the drum full!

   Scott C. Wickham Jr.
     Pittsburgh, Pa.
     1972 Ser III
     Zebra truck
     

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From: "Robert McCullough" <dieselbob@erols.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:22:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Lucas Starter

i just checked my lucas, cav, girling specifications and service parts
catalogs for rovers 1969 and 1970 and it is not listed. possibly its a
series 3 diesel starter, definately lighter than the 2a starter motor but
heavier than the petrol. it may also fit a ford tractor as i remember years
ago looking at a ford farm supply the components were all lucas and CAV,
filters, injectors, pump, starter, though the starter was mounted on the
opposite side of the engine therefore the head of the starter was 180 from
the land rover starter.

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:41:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Loose nuts? (was so, I'm an idiot)

A few years ago ,so the story goes , the wife of a Rover pooh-bah had a flat on
her Rangie and could not get the lug nuts undone with the short  lever wheel
nut wrench..Harsh words were exchanged with hubby who tried to explain they
could not make the lever any longer because it would allow people to
overtighten the nuts. The result was the neat Range Rover folding wrench that
allowed the handle to extend for undoing but would only allow tightening with
half the length.  Brilliant.
Cheers
Dave lowe.

David Scheidt wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
> :After reading this I just had a thought.  I've been bringing my TR3A back
> :onto the road after an extensive rebuild.  Maybe before I take her out on
> :another shakedown cruise I should go out and and give each of the
> :knock-offs a good whack with the old lead hammer.  It hasn't been done
> :since I first started moving the car.
> Knock-offs are self-tightening.  That is why one has left handed threads,
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)]
> threads and the splines are in good shape.  Of course, don't let me of all
> people discourage you from giving them a good whack.

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From: Wesley Harris <wharris@midmon.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:39:03 -0600
Subject: Re: Imperial vs. Metric

The Metric System is the tool of the Devil!!  My Landie gets 40 leagues to
the hogshead and that's the way I likes it!

Wes Harris
PGH PA
'64 88 SW 'Sick Boy'

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:04:51 +0200
Subject: Re: Imperial vs. Metric

Wesley Harris wrote:
> The Metric System is the tool of the Devil!!  My Landie gets 40 leagues to
> the hogshead and that's the way I likes it!

Sorry Idon't work in leagues to the hogshead, how much is that in
furlongs per fortnight? 
Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:42:23
Subject: Re: Difference between a d90 and series bumper.

	The bumper on my 88 is beginning to get to me(its got that happy/sad 
look
as each side goes in a different direction.  The brush bar is rusting and
its got a Nylon coating which will probably take more labor to remove than
buying two new ones.  Have seen some really nice bumper/brush guard combo's
for the d90 and was wondering if they might be easily adapted to a series
rover.  

	A while back I seem to remember one of the parts places was offering a
winch package for the series that (I think) used a stock d90 bumper.  If
that is the case then the d90 parts would seem to be close to a bolt on for
the series.  Am I wrong in this thought???  Anybody tried the swap???

Aloha Peter

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:53:22 +0200
Subject: Re: Difference between a d90 and series bumper.

Faye and Peter Ogilvie wrote:
>         A while back I seem to remember one of the parts places was offering a
> winch package for the series that (I think) used a stock d90 bumper.  If
> that is the case then the d90 parts would seem to be close to a bolt on for
> the series.  Am I wrong in this thought???  Anybody tried the swap???

The major difference between the series bumper and the coilers bumpers
is the elimination of the starting handle hole in the new ones. Local
bumper manufacturers started producing one-size-fits-all bumpers last
year, now we have to broach our own holes.

Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za

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From: Marcel Viljoen <marcelv@msmail.cs.unp.ac.za>
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:25:14 +0200
Subject: RE: Imperial vs. Metric

Personally I am a fan of furlongs per fortnight

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From: "Bill Fishel" <bfishel@cisnet.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 01:56:16 -0500
Subject: Fort Pitt LR and everybody

Scott wrote:
'  Bill, get that Rover on the road!!!  We are planning a trip to Altoona
'soon, and I'm sure MANY more trips for '99.  We need more members for the
'Fort Pitt Land Rover Group!  If anyone else is interested, we're in
'Pittsburgh, pa., have no fee, no newsletter, no t-shirts, no officials,
'just a love of the Rover product, and good dark beer, of course!  We have
'access to a garage for the meetings, the 40 year+ experience of a mechanic
'who likes Rovers alot, and more Rover experience every day!  My # at the
'garage (Scot Auto) is 412-828-5545.  It's a family business so you'll
'probably talk to Scot Sr., I'm the Jr.  Come on Bill, get on the ball, we
'want to see that SIII!

Scott 
I've been driving the SIII to work for about two months now (just to work
out
some bugs) and plan on this being a daily driver. About the only thing that
wasn't replaced or rebuilt by me was the transmission. I don't really care
to ever replace another rotted frame and forward bulkhead again. Unless
the price is right. I'll admit it took way longer than I ever thought to
get the
extra money for all the parts I wanted to replace. Probably explains why I
needed/appreciated being able to see yours to remember the wiring harness
layout. Mechanically the SIII is almost as good as the day it was
originally
sold. Interior still needs some work and I'm seriously considering the
LaSalle
trim. The only dent in the body is from letting my 10 yr old daughter drive
off
road.

To everybody on the list
I've had a lot of fun reading everybody posts and learned a lot about
Rovers.
I'd like to thank:
C. Marin Faure for his tip on insulating the brake reservoir to prevent
cracking
Gary J Hamilton for sending info and a sketch of a mounting bolt for a
delco conversion
TeriAnn J. Wakeman for her website with the wiring color coding I relied on
heavily.
D.H. Lowe told me how to peel the skins off my doors
Mike Rooth convinced me it was ok to paint the Rover with a brush (it
turned out great)
Jon R Humphrey got me in touch with one of the few SIII owners in my area
Scot Wickham let me crawl all over his Zebra Rover refreshing my memory of
what' s what

I know I'm missing some names and regret a bad memory.
Thanks again everybody with a special thanks to 
Bill Caloccia for maintaining the list

Bill Fishel
1974 SIII 88

 

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From: "Andy Grafton" <andyg@sherco.co.za>
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:52:07 +0200
Subject: Re: Roof top tents (2)

Andy wrote, Re : tents

> For a good one, you'll be looking at 200quid. 100 quid ones leak 
and blow 
> away in gales (or when you drive off with it pitched on teh roof...)

I'll second that. If you buy one of the types which rely on bending 
the poles to keep the tent in tension (dome tents et al), make sure 
the poles are good and come with a guarantee.  3 out of 4 quality 
dome-style tents my friends and I used everyday for 6 months 
suffered multiple pole failures.  Fortunately they were guaranteed, 
but that doesn't help when you're getting wet because the pole 
collapsed in the night and have a resulting hole where the end 
poked through.  The tents were all from different manufacturers and 
of those that failed 2 had Aluminium poles and the other glass 
fibre.  The one that survived had thicker poles which bent in less of 
an arc and I am still using it, 3 years on, with no failures (yet, ha 
ha ha).

All the best,
^O
Andy
andyg@sherco.co.za, '79RR

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From: Ketil Kirkerud Elgethun <ketilk@a.sol.no>
Date: 29 Jan 1999 10:39:51 +0100
Subject: Re: Difference between a d90 and series bumper.

Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org> writes:

> If
> that is the case then the d90 parts would seem to be close to a bolt on for
> the series.  Am I wrong in this thought???  Anybody tried the swap???

I've seen series rigs with 110/90 bumpers on them. The bolt holes are
positioned exactly the same way - the main difference is that
a 90/110 bumper will sit closer to the breakfast - the bits on the bumper
with the holes in them are shorter on the new bumpers. 
In other words: they will fit without modification, but the bumper
will be _very_ close to the front wings.

-- 
---Ketil Kirkerud Elgethun, SOL System
   "Frihed, lighed og en lille en i kaffen"

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:06:20 +0000
Subject: Re: new system (was historical)

>And this would be entirely in keeping with my long held belief that the
>maximum output from a round Smith's heater is one (1) British Thermal Unit.

I thought we'd established,through diligent and dedicated research,that
the output from all Smith's heaters was measured in Mouse Breaths.

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:20:33 +0000
Subject: Re: Imperial vs. Metric

>Wesley Harris wrote:
>> The Metric System is the tool of the Devil!!  My Landie gets 40 leagues to
>> the hogshead and that's the way I likes it!
>Sorry Idon't work in leagues to the hogshead, how much is that in
>furlongs per fortnight?

About one psycotic buffalo to the chain....

Mike Rooth

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From: "P Burgers" <PBURGERS@CPLS.WCAPE.GOV.ZA>
Date:          Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:51:25 +0200
Subject:       Re: Imperial vs. Metric

> >Sorry Idon't work in leagues to the hogshead, how much is that in
> >furlongs per fortnight?

Speaking of which what are the more modern volumetric equivalents of
hogsheads, jeroboams etc, and what comes after and before the hogshead

as for leagues---- I prefer roods or cape feet.

Peter B

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