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From: alice@atd.crane.navy.mil
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 07:22:03 +0000
Subject: Re: FuelPumpDiaphragm

Listers,
So ...I could get a series I to stick with an electric fuel pump.  
But then, I would look too much like a Jeep in this country (US).  
This is the one big reason why I like the 2A ...enough different from 
the garden variety Jeep to stand out ...the waist line bump-out of 
the post series I  body is, to my eyes, a very attractive (and 
unique) attribute.  At a glance, I quess they all look like Jeeps (at 
least to US drivers).

A few more ?s:
Are the 2A petrol vehicles noisy?  How might the pep of a 2A 109 
petrol compare to that of a US Triumph Spitfire 1500 (single 
Stromberg 1.75 CDSE)?  I understand they have similar power and 
weight.    
Mark

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:29:20 +0000
Subject: Re: FuelPumpDiaphragm

>A few more ?s:
>Are the 2A petrol vehicles noisy?  How might the pep of a 2A 109
>petrol compare to that of a US Triumph Spitfire 1500 (single
>Stromberg 1.75 CDSE)?  I understand they have similar power and
>weight.
Be a *very* overweight Spit at 1 1/2 tons Mark.

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 07:31:54 -0500
Subject: Re: FuelPumpDiaphragm

Are the 2A petrol vehicles noisy?  How might the pep of a 2A 109
petrol compare to that of a US Triumph Spitfire 1500 (single
Stromberg 1.75 CDSE)?  I understand they have similar power and
weight.
Mark

Mark, you have got to be kidding me......

Having driven both - there is no contest. The IIa is much noisier, a lot slower,
and weighs a LOT more than a doggone Spitfire... and gets considerably worse gas
mileage even in fighting trim. Hello, gearing?

LBCs are the most fun you can have with your clothes on - so's the Rover, but
it's different.

                         ajr

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:47:48 -0400
Subject: Re: manifold bolts

Andy Grafton wrote:

> Muddy John wrote;
> > Heat the stud cherry red and imediately cool it with a squirt from
> a bottle of
> John, thankyou.  I see a future filled with easy stud removals?!?...
> If it doesn't work I'll be *really* disappointed!
> Have you tried this on studs stuck other places, like into cylinder

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> when the female side of the assembly is Alumin(i)um?
> All the best,

This method does work for thermostat bolts, I've done it. It can be used on
aluminum but the heat used should be reduced , just heat to dull red.
John and Muddy

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From: alice@atd.crane.navy.mil
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:17:39 +0000
Subject: Vehicle Comparisons

Alan ...actually, I wasn't kidding.  I have no experience with Land 
Rovers whatsoever.  I did own a Triumph Spitfire years ago ...it
was about as capable as a Chevy Vega ...quite slow by today's 
standards ...but a lot more fun due to open air.

OK ...how about a comparison with my other experience, a mid 70s 
IH Scout with 3.2 liter 4 cylinder (about 100 hp), vehicle weight 
about 4000#.  Perhaps this is a closer power and weight match?

Ummm ...how about my bicycle, 16 mph average, moderate hills
...mark  

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From: "Chris Dillard" <cdillard@aholdusa.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:24:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 to California

Speaking of LR diesels in the US. I know that the 95 Camel Trophy vehicle
is currently touring (being drivien)  to various LR Centers. Our center
owner here in Greenville had the CT vehicle for about 2 months and he drove
it back and forth between the center in Greenville and Asheville plus to
the BMW Eurocar show and other local spots (probably home as well?). How do
they manage to keep that vehicle in circulation (on the road)? Just
curious?

cheers,
cfd

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:06:47 -0500
Subject: Re: Vehicle Comparisons

Re: Comparison to the Scout:

The Scout was probably faster and quieter, but not by a Heckuva lot. The Rover
is most-likely geared lower than the Scout was, if I remember my last exposure
to one of those hellspawn....

The best comparison to the IIa is a 4-cylinder Jeep CJ5. Loud, clanky, generally
obnoxious, and thoroughly capable for all of it.

               ajr

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:13:18 EST
Subject: Re: GBMW

In a message dated 2/18/99 9:23:23 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
phope@hawaii.rr.com writes:

<< Anyway, maybe that means they will move the Defender plant to Mexico with
the rest of GM.  Shouldn't be that hard to sneek a few cross the border
 after that ey? >>

How far do you want to go?  They're already being built in Brazil.  

Cheers,
Gerry Elam
PHX AZ

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:06:39 EST
Subject: Re: Vehicle Comparisons

In a message dated 2/19/99 9:14:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com writes:

> The Scout was probably faster and quieter, but not by a Heckuva lot. The 
> Rover
>  is most-likely geared lower than the Scout was, if I remember my last 
> exposure
>  to one of those hellspawn....

Not a cornbinder fan?

Nate

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:26:43 EST
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 to California

In a message dated 99-02-19 08:22:52 EST, you write:

<< Speaking of LR diesels in the US. I know that the 95 Camel Trophy vehicle
 is currently touring (being drivien)  to various LR Centers. Our center
 owner here in Greenville had the CT vehicle for about 2 months and he drove
 it back and forth between the center in Greenville and Asheville plus to
 the BMW Eurocar show and other local spots (probably home as well?). How do
 they manage to keep that vehicle in circulation (on the road)? Just
 curious? >>

Chris,

You just gave yourself the answer!

It belongs to LRNA: thus, they slap on their distributor license plates, and
off they go!

About 10 years ago, there was this guy that worked Toyota N.A., in Torrance,
Ca., who had the "honor" of driving a prototype Lexus roadster on a daily
basis! TO my knowledge, the car never went into production - only a coupe
version, but it did look very nice, and was very fast.

Don't know what ever happened to the car, but I remember it was a pearl white,
and had the "distributor" license plates.

Charles

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:49:19 +0100
Subject: Re: AW: adrian's glow plug blues

If the glow plugs are measured without the connection to earth, then
they are unable to draw current, in which case they do not present any
resistance to the measurement. Under these conditions, the voltage at
each plug will be the same.

Adrian Redmond

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:52:08 +0100
Subject: The major now deletes ASCII diagrams

Considering the amount of technical content on this site, and that ASCII
is the only way of quickly drawing a diagram to explain something, then
why does the major seem to delete some of the lines of ASCII when
reposting a post?

I tried yesterday to draw a diagram of the glow plug set up and the
resulting post was illegible, as two lines of the diagram had been wiped
by the major.

Is anyone else having the same problem? Can Bill maybe look into this?

Cheers

Adrian Redmond

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From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:00:14 -0800
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 to California

CIrvin1258@aol.com wrote:

> << There might be one loophole but I wouldn't want to try it.  I know
>  secondhand that LRNA has in the US a TDi Defender used for training purposes
>  that has stayed past it's welcome date.  I have been told that it might be
>  still around at the expense of paying a fine (annual).

> 2. If LRNA imports something for test purposes, they are permitted to do so:
> only catch, is the vehicle must be either re-exported, or destroyed - unless
> it meets DOT/EPA approval. Depending on how it's imported, they may have a
> pre-determined time frame

Yup that's it.  I was told it was here beyond it's time frame and that LRNA 
might
be keeping it active by paying a fine.  I've never heard of that from any other
source but this was direct from LRNA and the vehicle is definitely still around.

Jeremy

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From: "Kevin Campbell" <KCampbell@AdRem.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:00:43 -0800
Subject: RE: Importing a Defender 90 to California

According to the US Customs website:

"The following passenger cars, light-duty trucks, heavy-duty engines and
motorcycles are subject to Federal emission standards:

Gasoline-fueled cars and light-duty trucks originally manufactured after
December 31, 1967.

Diesel-fueled cars originally manufactured after December 31, 1974.

Diesel-fueled light-duty trucks originally manufactured after December 31,
1975.

Heavy-duty engines originally manufactured after December 31, 1969.

Motorcycles with a displacement of more than 49 cubic centimeters originally
manufactured after December 31, 1977."

>>3. Up until 1989 I believe, diesel-powered vehicles are EXEMPT (period!)
from
>>EPA regulations - no ifs, ands, OR buts! Don't believe me? CALL THEM! I
did.

Kevin

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From: "\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:04:34 -0600
Subject: Re: Air compressors

>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Hope <phope@hawaii.rr.com> writes:

    Peter> Just to add one here.  I have no complaints about
    Peter> my 6.5 hp 40 gal Craftsman compressor.  Fair price.
    Peter> And I figure no mater where I go I can find a Sears
    Peter> to complain too.  If you are going to get one, or
    Peter> any other tool for that matter, go in and ask about
    Peter> their craftsman club, or search on the web
    Peter> http://www.sears.com/craftsman/club/index.htm .
    Peter> Call the 1-800 number, club is free to join.  Get
    Peter> 10% off al tool purchases Pete

I'll second the craftsman recommendation, with the caveat that
they are all oil-less compressors these days.  Also, they
change subtle model things frequently, and the floor models
(which have usually never been run) can often be had at 20%
off.
							-MM

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:26:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Vehicle Comparisons

Re: IH:

Not a cornbinder fan?

Nate

To put it politely, no. I made the mistake of working on a farm one summer and
developed a healthy dislike for IH farm machinery....and that includes the
Scout, Travelall and IH trucks. They make LR's engineering look logical...

               ajr

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:00:13 +0000
Subject: Re: AW: adrian's glow plug blues

 Under these conditions, the voltage at
>each plug will be the same.

Buy a set of parallel wired ones Adrian mate.Then your troubles
will be over.(Well,this particular trouble will):-)

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:00:57 -0800
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 to California

From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:45:27 EST
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 to California

>3. Up until 1989 I believe, diesel-powered vehicles are EXEMPT (period!) from
EPA regulations - no ifs, ands, OR buts! Don't believe me? CALL THEM! I did.

While pre-89 diesel vehicles are exempt from the EPA regulations, what 
stops them is that they don't meet the safety regulations.

4. DOT requirements: tires, glass, roll cage, tail lights, seat belts -
PERIOD! Don't believe me? CALL THEM! I did. (they don't give a rat's ass about
emissions - that's the EPA's job)

Bringing a non-US spec vehicle up to the relevant US-specs can be a very 
expensive proposition.  Even if the emissions requirements are not an issue, 
fitting approved glass, approved seat belts, approved lights, approved crash 
protection, approved bumpers, and so forth is not particularly cheap.

>Anybody that says you can't do it, is (pardon my French) full of shit! 

I'm not saying you can't do it, I'm saying that to do it can be extremely 
expensive, 
and may not be possible depending on the vehicle.  No Land Rovers built between 
1975 and 1987 meet US specs.  That didn't stop some small east coast outfits 
from 
importing new Range Rovers and other models in the early 1980s, but to do it 
the 
vehicle had to be modified to meet emissions specs, which also voided the 
Rover warranty.  The only way Isis Motors in San Francisco could import Morgans 
was 
to convert them to propane, a modification that added thousands of dollars to 
the 
price.  In the early '90s he got approval to import the Plus-8 as a petrol 
vehicle 
(it uses the Rover V-8 which may have made getting approval a little easier) 
but to my knowledge, the Plus-4 still has to be converted to propane.

The point is that people who think they can hop over the pond, buy a Defender 
Tdi, 
and ship it home are going to be in for a shock if they try it without 
familiarizing 
themselves with the regulations.  If you've been talking to customs people at 
LAX who've 
been telling you it's no big deal, then you've been talking to some very 
strange 
customs people.  We are in the process of buying a Defender 130 Crew Cab 
High-Cap 
pickup to use when we are in the UK.  I would love to bring it home when our UK 
project 
is complete so I can get rid of our Ford F-250 Super Cab.  But the cost of 
bringing the 130 
up to specs is just not worth it.  I know because I've had everything that has 
to be done bid 
on, and the total is many, many thousands of dollars.  I have been told by the 
customs and 
emissions people that if I do all the things on the list, they will admit it 
with no problem.  
I just don't want to spend the money at this point.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:02:40 -0400
Subject: Re: AW: adrian's glow plug blues

Mike Rooth wrote:

>  Under these conditions, the voltage at
> >each plug will be the same.
> Buy a set of parallel wired ones Adrian mate.Then your troubles
> will be over.(Well,this particular trouble will):-)
> Cheers
> Mike Rooth

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> Cheers
> Mike Rooth

I know this may sound a bit basic but have you tried grounding the system
progressively after each plug starting at the first in the line to see if
any or which heat
up. Although this will over power the plugs they will be OK if not run too
long.
I used this method on my old IH   B414 tractor which had the same system.
John and Muddy

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:25:07 -1000
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 to California

If the vehicle is not that old, don't you also have to have/provide front
and side impact statistics?  Prove that it meets US crash survivability
standards or some such?
Pete

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From: Slade@DreamLab.cc (Michael Slade)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:49:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 to California

>Speaking of LR diesels in the US. I know that the 95 Camel Trophy vehicle
>is currently touring (being drivien)  to various LR Centers. Our center
>owner here in Greenville had the CT vehicle for about 2 months and he drove
>it back and forth between the center in Greenville and Asheville plus to
>the BMW Eurocar show and other local spots (probably home as well?). How do
>they manage to keep that vehicle in circulation (on the road)? Just
>curious?
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>cheers,
>cfd

I had the Camel Trophy Freelander for a while and it had the diesel engine
in it too.  When I picked up the car from Warn who had it from the Camel
people I was told that 'technically' it's not supposed to be driven off the
property.  I think that the way they got the vehicle into the country was
that they specified it would only be here for a certain amount of time and
that it would only be driven on private property.

I would imagine that the fellow from your centre just didn't care and/or
didn't think he'd get caught (kind of like us when we took the Freelander
out for a test drive in the mountains).

I called LRNA about borrowing the Freelander and the fellow I spoke with (I
won't name names) said that as far as he was concerned, we should drive it
now and if anything happened ask for forgiveness later.  I don't think
that's the company policy though.  He just wanted to avoid any red-tape
from inside the company and liked what we wanted to do with the car and
didn't want anyone to say no to us from LRNA.

I would say the same goes for the CT Disco's.

You didn't hear it from me.  ;)

Later,

Michael Slade
Portland, Oregon
www.DreamLab.cc

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From: Peter Goundry <peterg@aircast.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:59:38 -0500
Subject: Beat on the Brat--was 383 Stroker

<<Adrian Redmond wrote: Three beers per person (The first one doesn't
count)>>

Jeez Adrian, you just upset another segment, instead of the above how
about:

As much as you like but please throw up outside!

Peter Goundry
67 GS109 IIA, 73 Lightweight, 97 D90 #127

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From: "David R. Bobeck"<dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 99 09:20:25 -0500
Subject: Re[2]: Beat on the Brat--was 383 Stroker 

Well, I was trying to stay out of this, but here's my two cents.
I am not going to be as polite as some of the ohther members fo theis list, who 
have tried so hard, yet in vain to help you overcome your delusion.

1. You will never build this truck
2. If you do you will look like a total idiot
3. You will BE an idiot
4. You will quickly grow tired of it.
5. You are too young to be owning a Land Rover. Land Rovers are for gentlemen, 
not snot-faced little boys. 
6. Put down those magazines!
7. This hurts me more than it hurts you.

the end
later
daveb

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From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:57:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 ...

At 09:00 AM 2/19/99, "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com> wrote:
:>While pre-89 diesel vehicles are exempt from the EPA regulations,
:>what stops them is that they don't meet the safety regulations.

 Correctamundo!!

:>[It] may not be possible depending on the vehicle.  No Land Rovers
:>built between 1975 and 1987 meet US specs.  That didn't stop some
:>small east coast outfits from importing new Range Rovers and other
:>models in the early 1980s.

 Before 1989-1990 the importation laws were different.  A US person
 living overseas was allowed to bring in one vehicle upon their
 return and had some or all of their DOT/EPA requirements waived
 with the proviso of not being able to sell the car for a year or
 so.  This of course still caused a cnflict in certain states like
 California which is very strict about emissions.  These vehicles
 could be registered on other states but not here in California,
 and future buyers had to ask a lot of questions. 

:>The only way Isis Motors in San Francisco could import Morgans was 
:>to convert them to propane, a modification that added thousands.

 This goes against your statement that DOT upgrades are difficult or
 expensive.  The Morgans were probably Federally exempt pre 1989-90
 vehicles that were only modified to meet California emissions.

 Cheers,

-Michael Carradine

 Tel/Fax 925-988-0900
 www.unimog.com 

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@offroading.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:01:29 -0000
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Beat on the Brat--was 383 Stroker 

Can we stop this thread.....let's talk about sound issues like free wheeling
hubs and wether to use grease or oil.........gotcha!

Neil

SIII 1978 109"

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 14:07:41 -0500
Subject: Big arms

> Ketil Kirkerud Elgethun <ketilk@a.sol.no> wrote:

> A couple of years ago I did an engine rebuild - after having
>pulled the engine, we decided that we might as well have a look-see at the
>gearbox when we were at it. My brother-in-law, being the "lazy" guy he is,
>didn't want to remove the seatbox, so he just pulled (using just his arms)
>the gearbox (complete with transferbox) out through the firewall.

Whoa!  Wouldn't want to meet him on a dark street.... ;-)

As for Adrian Redmond, I don't think anyone (especially me) realized he had
already pulled the bulkhead.  Still, though, that seems like an awful lot
of work...pulling the seat base - and sepatating the engine and tranny -
seems far easier....

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  |                                                   |
  |   (original owner)        (pre-production)        | 
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:02:53 -0700
Subject: Re: Glow plug blues

Adrian,

Have you checked to confirm that the glow plugs are "losing" their charge after
start-up and the ignition key returns to the run position. Perhaps you have a
short in the ignition switch that is not shutting the plugs off once they've
done their job?

John
109 2.25D

Adrian Redmond wrote:

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From: SJH <SHARDING@SCHULTE-LAW.COM>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:03:00 -0800
Subject: beat on teh brat

ahhhhh, I feel so much better now that I have read what Mr. Bobeck had to   
say.  I had been wondering.  Short, Sweet and to the point.

simon harding portland, or  

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:50:39 +0100
Subject: Re: Beat on the Brat--was 383 Stroker

Only three beers allowed - but the first one doesn't count...

My friend Mike Faubion in Anchorage swears by this rule.

He starts the evening with a beer - the first on doesn't count, so he
stops counting. As he reaches for the next beer, he realises that as the
last one didn't count, then this must be the first one, and as the first
one doesn't count, he stops counting... 

He seems to do fine by this method - he is an emblem of sobriety, and
yet can drink all the beer he likes.... Who could want for more?

Adrian Redmond

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:53:00 +0100
Subject: Re: Big arms

I didn't pull the bulkhead just to remove the engine! I am doing a
stripdown anyway, ansd replacing the bulkhead, so lifting the box and
engine in one piece was logical. The clutch is relativly new so there is
no need to split them.

Adrian Redmond

          http://www.channel6.dk/native

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:59:12 +0100
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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 21:01:56 +0100
Subject: Greenland election

ELECTION IN GREENLAND

The Government coalition parties Siumut (social democratic) and Atassut
(liberal) lost 1 and 2 seats respectively in Tuesday's general election
to the Greenlandic Parliament, the Landsting.

Inuit Ataqatigiit - the socialist party - won an extra seat giving them
a total of 7 seats in the new parliament.

Kandidatforbundet - a list of several independent candidates acheived an
increase of 3 seats to a total of 4 seats. Furthermore, a single
independent candidate was elected to the parliament.

The votes cast and allocation of seats was as follows:

Atassut (liberal) 7100 votes (8 seats)

Inuit Ataqatigiit (socialist) 6194 votes (7 seats)

Siumut (socialdemocratic) 9897 votes (11 seats)

Kandidatforbundet (Indep. list) 3454 votes (4 seats)

Mr. Per Rosing Petersen (Independent) 1409 votes (1 seat)

75 % of Greenland's registered voters participated in Tuesday's
election.

This was the seventh election since introduction of Home Rule in 1979,
resulting in changes to 14 of the 31 seats in the Parliament.

The number of women delegates was increased by 1 to a total of 6, of
which only 2 were members of the existing Parliament.

Department of Information, February 17, 1999

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:29:20 -0500
Subject: Merlins

Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com> wrote:

>I've seen an article about a guy who shoved a Supermarine Spitfire (WWII
>fighter plane)  Merlin engine into a Jaguar E Type.

Jeez...he must've idled along at about 85 mph...

What's the difference between the Merlins fitted in the Spits and the later
version in the P-51? The sweetest "mechanical" sound I ever heard wasa
Merlin in a P-51 'on song'....

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  |                                                   |
  |   (original owner)        (pre-production)        | 
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:29:19 -0500
Subject: Bad bolts

Peter Thorén wrote:

>I am about to change my exhaust system for a stainless steel one but when
>removing the old system I found that one or two of the four bolts on the
>manifold is crap. The manifold itself looks good and I don´t want to change
>it. Can I save my old manifold and do something about my bad bolts?  

If you mean the studs on the bottom of the exhaust manifold, the best thing
to do is to have "Heli-Coil" or "Qualizert" stainless thread inserts
installed.  A slightly over-sized hole is drilled, with thread inserts
installed with a special tool.  Use stainless steel bolts and you won't
have any more problems with rusted, heat-siezed hardware....  Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  |                                                   |
  |   (original owner)        (pre-production)        | 
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:29:21 -0500
Subject: TDi's

>"Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>

>>There might be one loophole but I wouldn't want to try it.  I know
>>secondhand that LRNA has in the US a TDi Defender used for training
>>purposes...There's another catch here in that it is used for DoD training
>>(Ranger units) so perhaps its continued existence is due to a military
>>exemption that I'm unaware of.

>Forgot to also mention that DOD vehicles don't realy count.  Love to see
>someone try and smog an M1A1 or an old Duece hehe

Talked with Dave Schworm at LRNA about this a while back.  He said that
Customs actually came to him looking for said engine.  He told them to go
talk to the chaps down at Benning, preferably during a live-fire exercise....

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  |                                                   |
  |   (original owner)        (pre-production)        | 
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:30:26 -0700
Subject: Re: Greenland election

At 09:01 PM 19/02/99 +0100, Adrian Redmond, wrote
>ELECTION IN GREENLAND

Gosh, seeing this makes me think I should have posted the results of
Tuesday's first election in Nunavut -- well perhaps not.

                                                         Rick Grant

Rick Grant Associates,  Calgary Canada
Media Communications, Crisis Management, Media Training
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
rgrant@cadvision.com

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From: "James G.Wolf" <elvenwood@whro.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:33:45 -0500
Subject: RE:383

>  Tsk, tsk, tsk. How dare you, an obviously intelligent and aged Land Rover
>> veteran, sink to such depths as to criticize my word usage and grammar?
>> What have you to gain by issuing me a grammar (!) induced tirade? I'm 16
>> years old. I wrote that letter as quickly as possible and, in my (admitted)
>> rut, I negated to proof-read it. For that, I apologize. And I also
>> apologize for any inflamatory comments or statements that I may have made.
>> But I must mention that I can't help but to find fault in your reasons for
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)]
>> you? Isn't that what experience is all about?
>> Sincerel

I wonder if this is a candidate for next years Darwin Awards? Hey, why not
use aircraft JATO bottles?
Jim Wolf

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:41:46 -0800
Subject: RE: Merlins (No LR)

Yes, imagine having 1500 hp at your disposal...on those skinny E-Type tyres
:-0

I think that the P51 engine was pretty much the same as the Spitfire.  They
both changed dramatically over the course of the war.  I think that Rolls
Royce managed to squeeze close to 2500 hp out of the engine by the end of
the war. That this version was called the Griffin or some such... 

You can listen to the sound of a P51 at:
http://home.sol.no/~thomle/warbirds/p51.htm

Paul in Victoria

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:37:49 EST
Subject: Re: Merlins (No LR)

In a message dated 99-02-19 15:43:47 EST, you write:

<< I think that the P51 engine was pretty much the same as the Spitfire.  They
 both changed dramatically over the course of the war.  I think that Rolls
 Royce managed to squeeze close to 2500 hp out of the engine by the end of
 the war. That this version was called the Griffin or some such... 
 >>

>From what I can recall, they had different superchargers, but I've looked at
so few of them so long ago, I can't remember.

Charles
Now, ask me about a P&W R-985, or a R-1340...

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:46:57 EST
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 ...

In a message dated 99-02-19 13:59:30 EST, you write:

<< Before 1989-1990 the importation laws were different.  A US person
  living overseas was allowed to bring in one vehicle upon their
  return and had some or all of their DOT/EPA requirements waived
  with the proviso of not being able to sell the car for a year or
  so.  This of course still caused a cnflict in certain states like
  California which is very strict about emissions.  These vehicles
  could be registered on other states but not here in California,
  and future buyers had to ask a lot of questions. 
 
 :>The only way Isis Motors in San Francisco could import Morgans was 
 :>to convert them to propane, a modification that added thousands.
 
  This goes against your statement that DOT upgrades are difficult or
  expensive.  The Morgans were probably Federally exempt pre 1989-90
  vehicles that were only modified to meet California emissions.
 
 >>

You've almost got it:

The Morgans are new cars: they get around EPA by having been converted to LPG
prior to importation. How they get around DOT, is anybody's guess...perhaps
they are classified as "kit cars"?

Contrary to the above - the current train of thought that a U.S. citizen
living abroad being able to bring in a vehicle ONLY applies these days, to
military personnell...fancy a BTR-70 - join the army, get stationed in
Germany, and bring one home when you're rotated stateside!

Charles

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:49:33 EST
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 to California

In a message dated 99-02-19 13:30:57 EST, you write:

<< If the vehicle is not that old, don't you also have to have/provide front
 and side impact statistics?  Prove that it meets US crash survivability
 standards or some such?
 Pete >>

...depends on what year a particular law went into effect, versus the year
model of vehicle in question.

Example: a 1999 D-90 MUST have adequate side impact protection (meaning, the
mandated air bags that LR couldn't make to fit). However, 1998 models do not.

Charles

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:56:45 EST
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 to California

In a message dated 99-02-19 11:05:54 EST, you write:

<< The following passenger cars, light-duty trucks, heavy-duty engines and
 motorcycles are subject to Federal emission standards:
 
 Gasoline-fueled cars and light-duty trucks originally manufactured after
 December 31, 1967.
 
 Diesel-fueled cars originally manufactured after December 31, 1974.
 
 Diesel-fueled light-duty trucks originally manufactured after December 31,
 1975.
 >>

Better call the EPA: their info is a bit more current than this.

Charles

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:54:25 EST
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 to California

In a message dated 99-02-19 12:00:34 EST, you write:

<< We are in the process of buying a Defender 130 Crew Cab High-Cap 
 pickup to use when we are in the UK.  I would love to bring it home when our
UK project 
 is complete so I can get rid of our Ford F-250 Super Cab.  But the cost of
bringing the 130 
 up to specs is just not worth it.  I know because I've had everything that
has to be done bid 
 on, and the total is many, many thousands of dollars.  I have been told by
the customs and 
 emissions people that if I do all the things on the list, they will admit it
with no problem.  
 I just don't want to spend the money at this point.
 >>

Then take it apart, and send it here in pieces! You can legally do this, as
parts do not the complete vehicle make.

If you're there for any length of time, ship over an engine/axles ahead of
time, then the chassis/body later. All you'll need to register it here, would
be a bill of sale/some kind of title. If it's a diesel, then there's no
emissions tests required, and the local DMV wouldn't care, so long as they get
their money.

Charles

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 18:55:42 EST
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 to California

In a message dated 99-02-19 12:00:34 EST, you write:

<< While pre-89 diesel vehicles are exempt from the EPA regulations, what 
 stops them is that they don't meet the safety regulations. >>

Safety regs DO NOT APPLY to a sea container full of parts!

Charles

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From: William Leacock <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:33:14 -0500
Subject: Glow plugs

Adrian writes
The plugs measure OK, do not short to earth when supplied with juice,
and seem to transmit juice to complete the circuit, and yet the circuit
does not work.
First, using a meter to test a glow plug is a waste of time. A crack in the
element may pass a low current but will not pass the high current that the
plug requires.
A faulty plug is unlikely to fault to earth ( ground - US ) , the usual
problem is breakage of the element, so to test the plugs you should pass a
low voltage through them, not 12, this will simply burn them out. The manual
shows a test using a light bulb in series with the 12 volt supply, the
manual also shows using a light bulb to earth from the terminal of each plug
in situ
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:43:41 EST
Subject: Re: Vehicle Comparisons

In a message dated 2/19/99 8:29:32 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com writes:

<< They make LR's engineering look logical... >>
I had a 54 International 1/2 Ton pickup for many years.  Absolutely trouble
free and perhaps the best transportation value in history.  It totaled a
Toyota with headlight damage only to the Cornbinder.  It had perhaps the best
engineering for durability I've ever seen.  The Shift linkage was completely
adjustable to allow for wear, the Valves were Sodium filled and were replaced
at over 300k miles.  (first time the head was ever off)  Just a brute of a
truck.  heavy though.

Zack

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From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:49:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 to California

At 06:54 PM 2/19/99 EST, Charles <CIrvin1258@aol.com> wrote:
:>Then take it apart, and send it here in pieces! You can legally
:>do this, as parts do not the complete vehicle make.

 Not quite correct.  You can not disassemble one vehicle, ship it in
 many boxes, and reassemble it in the US.  This act is an attempt to
 circumvent Federal importation laws and is no different than trying
 to smuggle in one complete vehicle.

 However, some states allow you to assemble vehicles from parts under
 kit car regulations.  On the Federal level this means that you must
 buy parts from several sources (not one vehicle) and assemble them
 in the US to make a vehicle.  Although technically not necessary, it
 is best done by starting out with a major part in the US already,
 such as a chassis, and then building it out.  To register these you
 must show the DMV receipts of the major parts of the vehicle, proving
 they are not stolen.  These are helpful in proving to any Fed that
 your vehicle was assembled from several sources, as are some progress
 photos showing the vehicle in various stages of assembly.  Most kit
 car laws do not allow you to sell the vehicle, or you must own it for
 at least a year, discouraging you from making a commercial enterprise
 under the KK rules.

 Hey, but what do I know, eh?  Consult your attorney in matters that
 can jeopardize your life and liberty, not an internet ouji message
 board ;)

-Michael Carradine

 Tel/Fax 925-988-0900
 www.landrover.net

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From: "Clayton Kirkwood" <kirkwood@garlic.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:56:50 -0800
Subject: RE: beat on teh brat

I hate it when he holds back; when he does, I feel ambivalent to what
he is saying. I think I understand what he is meaning, but Dave, one
more time! And please, feel free to be candid. Really :>}}}}

Clayton Kirkwood
(916) 663-2368
kirkwood@garlic.com

 >  ahhhhh, I feel so much better now that I have read what
 >  Mr. Bobeck had to
 >  say.  I had been wondering.  Short, Sweet and to the point.
 >
 >  simon harding portland, or

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:17:52 +1100
Subject: Second 383 stroker follow-up

Brent J. Markus wrote:

>I have read the comments, and I realize that most of you are not in
>favor of my project.  I am 16 years old and have been interested in
>Land Rovers for the past few years.

Brent, shall I email you some pix I took of a lowered Series III with 5
litre GM Holden engine (or was it a 350ci Chev).  It looks great!  It was
on display at the 50th Anniversary Celebrations for LR in Cooma, Australia.

Actually, it is a Land Rover body fitted to a Holden (an Aussie GM product)
1-tonne utility (what you guys call pickup) chassis.
Ron

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From: Winn Bearden <wbearden@americus.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:06:56 -0500
Subject: Re: manifold bolts

Here's my method, works every time.
    -Drill a suitible hole into the offending stud.
    -tap a four-sided(all others are sh!t) eze-out into the hole, THEN REMOVE
IT.
    -insert Lucas Service Tool no. 0001 (cheap pencil soldering iron), plug it
in.
    -leave in for about a six-pack, maybe longer.
    -remove iron, pour ice water out of beer cooler onto stud
    -re-insert eze-out by hand (don't hammer)  then remove stud
    -restock empty cooler
People don't realize that when you hammer in an extractor that you are just
tightening the stud in the hole. You must hammer it in to make shoulders, then
pull it out to relieve the pressure and reinsert it without force.  Spiral type
extractors suck because the more you try to turn it, the more outwards pressure
is exerted.  The four- sided extractors cost a lot more but they work a hell of
a lot better.

Winn Bearden
P.O. Box 464            19?? RR/SIIA/SIII 100" Hybrid (almost finished)
Americus, GA 31709     1967  NADA 109" SW (almost rusted sway)
912-924-6513 (H)         1995 RR County  Classic
912-942-3855 (CELL)   http://www.americus.net/~wbearden

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:14:16 -1000
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 to California

><< If the vehicle is not that old, don't you also have to have/provide
front
> and side impact statistics?  Prove that it meets US crash survivability
> standards or some such?
> Pete >>
>...depends on what year a particular law went into effect, versus the year
>model of vehicle in question.
>Example: a 1999 D-90 MUST have adequate side impact protection (meaning,

the
>mandated air bags that LR couldn't make to fit). However, 1998 models do
not.
>mandated air bags that LR couldn't make to fit). However, 1998 models do
I thought I read read that one of the problems with trying to bring new
vehicles to the US market was that you actually had to test (ie crash) them
and prove that your side impact or whatever worked properly.  So if someone
wanted to bring in a single vehicle they had to crash up a few first.
Pete

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:12:33 -0700
Subject: Ambulance owners

Ron Franklin of Maine wrote this message to me. I don't think he is on
the list so if any of you ambulance owners out there could e-mail him,
I'm sure he would appreciate it. By the way, I don't know who ownes the
one in my picture, but he is a Solihull Soc. member.
Jim Hall

   From: 
        "oldhaven" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
     To: 
        jimfoo@uswest.net

Jim,
Do you have any contact information on the ambulance in the picture.  I
have one and 
am trying to track down other crazies.
Thanks
Ron Franklin

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:17:44 -1000
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 to California

>Then take it apart, and send it here in pieces! You can legally do this, as
>parts do not the complete vehicle make.
>If you're there for any length of time, ship over an engine/axles ahead of
>time, then the chassis/body later. All you'll need to register it here,

would
>be a bill of sale/some kind of title. If it's a diesel, then there's no
>emissions tests required, and the local DMV wouldn't care, so long as they
get
>their money.

So the problem with importing a car is with customs and the epa?  The state
gov (DMV) doesn't care what ya have as long as you have a valid title and
bill of sale?

If this is right, then couldn't you buy the vehicle.  Take the paperwork to
your state and get all the plates and registration taken care of.  Ship the
vehicle to Nova Scotia.  Put on the plates and drive accross the border
without customs batting an eye?

Pete

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:28:40 EST
Subject: Re: Vehicle Comparisons

In a message dated 2/19/99 7:49:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, Zaxcoinc@aol.com
writes:

<< I had a 54 International 1/2 Ton pickup for many years.  Absolutely trouble
 free and perhaps the best transportation value in history.  It totaled a
 Toyota with headlight damage only to the Cornbinder.  It had perhaps the best
 engineering for durability I've ever seen.  The Shift linkage was completely
 adjustable to allow for wear, the Valves were Sodium filled and were replaced
 at over 300k miles.  (first time the head was ever off)  Just a brute of a
 truck.  heavy though. >>

This fits with my experience with IH.  Farmers (at least where I grew up)
loved 'em.  Easy to maintain and durable.  My understanding was their demise
was more related to cornbinders being slow (compared to Ford and GM) and
relatively homely (by standards of the time).  In many ways, not unlike how
some viewed LR's at that time.  BTW, at the tractor pulls around here, IH (and
Farmall) seem to win their classes consistently over the John Deeres and MFs.
If they didn't rust like a banshee, I'd look around for an old IH to add to
the collection.  Seems to fit my "theme" of quirky old farm stuff.

Nate

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:26:16 EST
Subject: Re: Mothballs, was High-Altitude Questions

In a message dated 99-02-19 02:03:50 EST, you write:

<< If this *does* work then it might be an easier solution than rejetting. 
 If the engine isn't producing more power than it should, is there any 
 harm in boosting the octane level?  Do mothballs in fact do that?
 Anyone used this trick?
 
 All the best,
 
 Andy >>
Octane rating is not the problem at high altitude air/fuel ratio is. If the
naphthelene boosts oxygen content in the fuel you might be onto something.

Bill Lawrence
Albq, NM

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:31:28 EST
Subject: GBMW

On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 William Leacock inquired:

<< What is the concensus about the newspaper articles that are suggesting
that GM is about to take over BMW? >>

Merger Mania is fashionable these days.  We have recently seen the
Chrysler-Daimler union.  Why not GM-BMW?  They could call it GMW.

General Motor Works
General Motoren Werke

Werks fer me.

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover (Built by the Rover Motor Company)
Denver

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:33:11 EST
Subject: Deluxe Land Rovers?

On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 Frank Elson wrote:

"I remember buying two 109s., barely a year apart in age, both 2.25 petrol,
loaded both up for bear more or less the same.  One was a flier, one was a
plodder.  Something to do with Land Rover's ofte quoted plus or minus an
inch during manufacture?"

Frank:

Was your flier a "Deluxe" model (built on a Tuesday or Wednesday)?
The plodder was probably built on a Monday or Friday.

Paul Donohue
Avid student of British manufacturing history.
1965 Land Rover 109

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:38:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Deluxe Land Rovers?

On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 DONOHUEPE@aol.com wrote:

:On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 Frank Elson wrote:
:
:"I remember buying two 109s., barely a year apart in age, both 2.25 petrol,
:loaded both up for bear more or less the same.  One was a flier, one was a
:plodder.  Something to do with Land Rover's ofte quoted plus or minus an
:inch during manufacture?"
:
:Frank:
:
:Was your flier a "Deluxe" model (built on a Tuesday or Wednesday)?
:The plodder was probably built on a Monday or Friday.

what happened to thursday?

David

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:50:41 EST
Subject: Re: FuelPumpDiaphragm

In a message dated 99-02-19 07:16:20 EST, you write:

 Listers,
 So ...I could get a series I to stick with an electric fuel pump.  
 But then, I would look too much like a Jeep in this country (US). 

A Series I only looks lke a jeep to a "prat" a "Plodder" or a "pillock" and
for that matter so does a Series II. Why worry about them?
 
 This is the one big reason why I like the 2A ...enough different from 
 the garden variety Jeep to stand out ...the waist line bump-out of 
 the post series I  body is, to my eyes, a very attractive (and 
 unique) attribute.

Oh a hip man eh? Wink Wink, Nod Nod, Say no more.

  At a glance, I quess they all look like Jeeps (at 
 least to US drivers).
 
 A few more ?s:
 Are the 2A petrol vehicles noisy? 

Not if you turn off your hearing aid.

 How might the pep of a 2A 109 
 petrol compare to that of a US Triumph Spitfire 1500 (single 
 Stromberg 1.75 CDSE)?  I understand they have similar power and 
 weight.    
 Mark >>

Depends on where you are going. any Triumph will blow you away on the highway.
However you'll be way out ahead in the rough.

Bill Lawrence
Albq, NM

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:55:47 EST
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 to California

In a message dated 99-02-19 08:22:52 EST, you write:

<< Speaking of LR diesels in the US. I know that the 95 Camel Trophy vehicle
 is currently touring (being drivien)  to various LR Centers. Our center
 owner here in Greenville had the CT vehicle for about 2 months and he drove
 it back and forth between the center in Greenville and Asheville plus to
 the BMW Eurocar show and other local spots (probably home as well?). How do
 they manage to keep that vehicle in circulation (on the road)? Just
 curious?
 
 cheers,
 cfd >>

I don't think it's the engine that keeps MOD vehicles out. It's the lack of
all the BS safety add ons.

Bill Lawrence
Albq, NM

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From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:17:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 to California

At 05:14 PM 2/19/99 -1000, Pete wrote:
>I thought I read read that one of the problems with trying to bring new
>vehicles to the US market was that you actually had to test (ie crash) them
>and prove that your side impact or whatever worked properly.  So if someone
>wanted to bring in a single vehicle they had to crash up a few first.

 I heard that too, but considering that it came from an importer
 who wanted to impress me while at the same time discouraging
 competition, this remains an open question.  Subsequently I heard
 that crash testing is only required of mass produced production
 vehicles of 200 units a year or more, meaning that low volume
 production, importation or custom work is OK.

-Michael Carradine

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:17:43 EST
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 to California

In a message dated 99-02-19 13:30:57 EST, you write:

 If the vehicle is not that old, don't you also have to have/provide front
 and side impact statistics?  Prove that it meets US crash survivability
 standards or some such?
 Pete >>
Since the Defender has been approved for import these things have probably
beem done. Just a matter of finding the info.

Bill Lawrence

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:20:06 EST
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 to California

In a message dated 99-02-19 22:20:04 EST, you write:

<< I thought I read read that one of the problems with trying to bring new
 vehicles to the US market was that you actually had to test (ie crash) them
 and prove that your side impact or whatever worked properly.  So if someone
 wanted to bring in a single vehicle they had to crash up a few first.
 Pete >>

Correct, but we're talking about vehicles that are/have already been sold in
the U.S. market, but are not built to comply with this market.

If this were a first-time importation of a complete vehicle, then said vehicle
must already be on the books here: if not, then no-go. And, if it is on the
books, then they look it over, to make sure that it complies with what's in
that book. If it doesn't, then it wasn't built for this market.

Charles

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From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:20:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 to California

At 05:17 PM 2/19/99 -1000, Pete wrote:
>If this is right, then couldn't you buy the vehicle.  Take the paperwork to
>your state and get all the plates and registration taken care of.  Ship the
>vehicle to Nova Scotia.  Put on the plates and drive accross the border
>without customs batting an eye?

 Most states such as California require a VIN check, where the
 DMV, a peace officer or licensed person certifies the chassis
 number and vehicle description.

-Michael Carradine

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:20:44 EST
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Beat on the Brat--was 383 Stroker

In a message dated 99-02-19 13:58:41 EST, you write:

 1. You will never build this truck
 2. If you do you will look like a total idiot
 3. You will BE an idiot
 4. You will quickly grow tired of it.
 5. You are too young to be owning a Land Rover. Land Rovers are for
gentlemen, 
 not snot-faced little boys. 
 6. Put down those magazines!
 7. This hurts me more than it hurts you.
 
 the end
 later
 daveb >>

Damn it Dave stop pussy footing around and tell him what you think!

Bill Lawrence

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:21:40 EST
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 to California

In a message dated 99-02-19 22:23:24 EST, you write:

<< If this is right, then couldn't you buy the vehicle.  Take the paperwork to
 your state and get all the plates and registration taken care of.  Ship the
 vehicle to Nova Scotia.  Put on the plates and drive accross the border
 without customs batting an eye?
 >>

Nope: because usually the first time a vehicle gets registered, somebody at
the DMV may want to see it: if it cannot be presented, then no registration.
This is the situation that you want to avoid.

Charles

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From: Jarvis64@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:22:44 EST
Subject: FWH elimination

Howdy folks,
No, I'm not here to talk about 454s with headers.  I'm here to talk about
hubs.  One of my Warn FWHs is spitting grease/oil (yeah, I use grease on the
bearings when I put 'em in--bring it on) all over my wheel once again.
Rebuild kits NLA

My front prop shaft is shot about a year after a re-spline, and I'm beginning
to wonder if the "never undo your FWH, or just throw 'em in the trash" crowd
is right--their argument re. prop shaft spline life being increased if the
shaft is spinning all the time makes a lot of sense to me.

Soooo, do I just need to get 'hold of two drive flanges?  Like the ones on my
old Rover rear axle I gave away when I put on my Salisbury--duh!  The hubs
stay the same, right?

Anyone got some drive flanges on a stationary rover out in the yard they want
to sell/give me?

Bill Rice

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:26:02 EST
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 to California

In a message dated 99-02-19 19:50:55 EST, you write:

<< Not quite correct.  You can not disassemble one vehicle, ship it in
  many boxes, and reassemble it in the US.  This act is an attempt to
  circumvent Federal importation laws and is no different than trying
  to smuggle in one complete vehicle.>>

...But, isn't this what RN is doing??????? Otherwise, how are they getting
130's into the country????? Did they crash a few dozen of them to get them
federalized?
 
 << However, some states allow you to assemble vehicles from parts under
  kit car regulations.  On the Federal level this means that you must
  buy parts from several sources (not one vehicle) and assemble them
  in the US to make a vehicle.  Although technically not necessary, it
  is best done by starting out with a major part in the US already,
  such as a chassis, and then building it out.  To register these you
  must show the DMV receipts of the major parts of the vehicle, proving
  they are not stolen.  These are helpful in proving to any Fed that
  your vehicle was assembled from several sources, as are some progress
  photos showing the vehicle in various stages of assembly.  Most kit
  car laws do not allow you to sell the vehicle, or you must own it for
  at least a year, discouraging you from making a commercial enterprise
  under the KK rules.>>

You really think that when I go to England, I'm only bringing back parts for
ONE truck??? Get real! I have a yard full of LR's that need replacement MOD
parts! Besides, I have a 109 that needs a chassis!
 
 << Hey, but what do I know, eh?  Consult your attorney in matters that
  can jeopardize your life and liberty, not an internet ouji message
  board ;)
 
 >>

Always a good idea. And remember, my posts are purely for entertainment
purposes ONLY.:)

Charles

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:28:59 EST
Subject: Re: LRO subscription

Send a message to "Majordomo@landrover.team.net". in the body of the message
say "subscribe LRO digest".

If you want to know what other lists are available say "lists".

Short, sweet and simple.

Bill Lawrence

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:43:34 EST
Subject: Re: Merlins

In a message dated 99-02-19 15:25:06 EST, you write:

 What's the difference between the Merlins fitted in the Spits and the later
 version in the P-51? The sweetest "mechanical" sound I ever heard wasa
 Merlin in a P-51 'on song'....
 
 >>
The Merlin was a Rolls-Royce design. After it was fitted to the Mustang (P-51)
and had demonstrated its superiority to the Allison (GM) engine the war
department made a deal to have it built under license by Packard. The Merlin
so far outclassed any other water cooled design at the time that just about
anything it was put into became the best in its class. When DeHavilland was
touring the US to demonstrate their new Mosquito (twin Merlins) Kelly Johnson
of Lockheed ordered  all P-38 Lightnings (Twin turbocharged Allisons) to be
grounded while the Mosquito was around to keep the planes from being compared.

Bill Lawrence

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From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:49:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 to California

:>In a message dated 99-02-19 22:20:04 EST, Pete writes:
:><< I thought I read read that one of the problems with trying to bring new
:> vehicles to the US market was that you actually had to test (ie crash) them

At 11:20 PM 2/19/99 EST, Charles <CIrvin1258@aol.com> wrote:
:>Correct, but we're talking about vehicles that are/have already been sold in
:>the U.S. market, but are not built to comply with this market.
:>
:>If this were a first-time importation of a complete vehicle, then said vehicle
:>must already be on the books here: if not, then no-go. And, if it is on the
:>books, then they look it over, to make sure that it complies with what's in
:>that book. If it doesn't, then it wasn't built for this market.

 Yes and no.  The Defender 90 was brought into the US but only for
 the limited quantity of 2,500.  At the time they were not up to
 current standards because they did not have airbags.  So one can
 assume they were not crash tested to see they behavior with air
 bags as they would have to be today, and no test data is available.

 The 2,500 D90's were allowed into the US in a deal with DOT as an
 equitable trade for 2,500 Disco's that LRNA imported into the US
 in prior years before airbags were required.  One can say that some
 customers of the D90's were duped into buying an "unsafe" car by
 US standards and in comparison to other 4x4 models in the market at
 the time.  How would you like to discover a family member of yours
 was maimed or killed driving a substandard D90?  Sounds like one
 hell of a class action law suit against local dealers, LRNA and DOT.

 Buy a North American D90 today and cash in on the coming bonanza!

-Michael Carradine

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:56:42 EST
Subject: Re: Vehicle Comparisons

In a message dated 99-02-19 19:49:04 EST, you write:

<< I had a 54 International 1/2 Ton pickup for many years.  Absolutely trouble
 free and perhaps the best transportation value in history.  It totaled a
 Toyota with headlight damage only to the Cornbinder.  It had perhaps the best
 engineering for durability I've ever seen.  The Shift linkage was completely
 adjustable to allow for wear, the Valves were Sodium filled and were replaced
 at over 300k miles.  (first time the head was ever off)  Just a brute of a
 truck.  heavy though.
 
 Zack >>
I have to go along with ajr. In my younger days I was a light wheeled vehicle
mechanic in the Air Force. Many of the vehicles we had to maintain were IH
snub nosed 5 and 10 ton tractors. All I really remember about them was that
they were an absolute nightmare to work on. Even back then I thought their
engineering was crude. They often seemed to compensate for lack of design
expertise with massive quantities of steel. 

Just my opinion.

Bill Lawrence
Albq, NM

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 00:12:14 EST
Subject: Re: GBMW

In a message dated 99-02-19 22:33:11 EST, you write:

<< < What is the concensus about the newspaper articles that are suggesting
 that GM is about to take over BMW? >>
 
 Merger Mania is fashionable these days.  We have recently seen the
 Chrysler-Daimler union.  Why not GM-BMW?  They could call it GMW.
 
 General Motor Works
 General Motoren Werke
 
 Werks fer me.
 
 Paul Donohue
 1965 Land Rover (Built by the Rover Motor Company)
 Denver >>

I don't think this would bode well for LR. GM probably wouldn't want to mess
with a vehicle that was actually built "LIKE A ROCK".

Bill Lawrence
Albq, NM

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From: John Perry <jperry4@vt.edu>
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 00:23:08 -0500
Subject: Horror Story--Buyer Beware

To all land Rover Enthusiasts,

So here I am still pondering what happened and how this world can get so
out of hand sometimes.
This is a simple little story about a company that treated a customer
with no respect and then
tried to cover it up to save face to the public. It is to warn you so
you, fellow rover enthusiasts,
can protect yourself for the future. I decided to finally write this and
post it because it has
bothered me now for several months and the community needs to know about
this type of
incident.

Still awaiting parts from four months ago. I have now been told that the
parts were going to be
here within a few days twice. Now, the reason for first two month delay
is that I was unhappy
that I had not received all of the parts for the truck when it was
delivered to me. Not all of the
work was done on it that was requested, and it had been shipped to me
with a cracked engine
head--the crack being stated as "not a problem since it was on the front
of the thremostat
housing" by Seth. This crack had some type of epoxy weld on it to cover
the crack up.
The head was supposed to be a brand new rebuilt one. The valves had not
even been adjusted
in it! At this time I demanded that Seth return the money for the
vehicle and I would return the
vehicle to him. The parts not included and the work not done was such an
issue because
before the shipping of the vehicle to me, I had sent Seth a check list
for these items. There are
three different documented emails and phone calls from Seth where he
stated that the check
list was complete, all work done, and all parts were in the truck--funny
how so much was
missing when I got the truck though? Other items like fixing dome light
was also on the list.
Seth proceeded in hanging the phone up on me and that was the last I
heard from him until
July.

Seth also decided not to sign the Bill of Sale that we had agreed on and
also did not give me
the warranty on the truck parts like he was too. This decision was made
by Seth after I
demanded that he give my back the money for the truck (he may have never
intended on giving
the warranty whatsoever). I did not hear anything back from my requests
except for a receipt
in the mail for the purchase of the vehicle stating that I had no
warranty on the truck parts/drive
train.

So, after a month and a half, I decided to compromise and try to work
out the parts. Seth was
willing to send the parts except for the head to the engine. (Seth told
me that he had offered to
have someone fix the head for me but I somehow missed this statement in
our original
conversation--and even after this statement I asked him just to send a
new head and I would do
the work but he would not--just does not make much sense because it
would have been so
much cheaper for him that way????; although Paul says he was standing
there when the
conversation took place and heard Seth offer me this.) They still will
not give the offer to me--
very interesting. If that offer had been presented, I would have taken
it-anybody would-why turn
it down?

Let's backtrack a little. I first started this out talking to Seth
because I bought my 5 door series
three through British Bulldog and I was supposed to get these parts with
delivery of the vehicle
back in May 1998. I had a long conversation with Seth about these parts
again in July 1998
after the above issues and he tracked down just over half of the
undelivered parts and I received
those in the mail within two and a half weeks of our conversation. He
also did add in a set of
front brake shoes and a bearing/seal for a worn one on the front wheel
since the truck would
not pass inspection (the truck was delivered to me in this condition and
had not been driven
since). This was when I first posted a message on the bulletin board
back in July-this seemed
the only way to get their attention and it worked very well. Seth
instructed me that he would
track down the rest and get them to me from his overseas suppliers. Seth
also asked me to
send an "apology" to the newsgroup so that customers and such would stop
asking what was
happening-he even told me what words he wanted me to use in the message!
Shows you right
there that they wanted this covered up!

The parts that I was missing are a clamp to a roof rack that I bought
new from them, a cover for
the clutch master cylinder, a handle to the jack (which at the time of
discussing the parts with
Seth for the first time, he said he would send a high lift jack instead
since the handle was going to be hard to find), and the 2
bolts/clamps for the bonnet mount spare kit--the kit is useless without
them. Seems like not much at all but if you spent the money on the
truck, then no matter how small the item is, it should still be
delivered. I paid more money for a better condition Land Rover and would

expect to get my moneys worth.

Seth then put me on the phone with Paul and I gave the parts list to
Paul again to look for. I
called again two weeks later and Paul said he was checking into things
and would get back to
me. I called again a week later (August now) to see what was happening
and Paul said that
Bill was now handling the parts search and I should talk to him. So, I
talked to Bill and had to
give him the details on the parts again. So, I talked to Bill several
more times and Bill finally
told me he had tracked down the four items left on my list from England
and that they were on
the way. He would receive them and have them to me by the next week. The
only item in
question was the roof rack clamp that may not have made it in the
shipment. Bill told me that
he would make sure and had another source for one if that was the case.
I waited until the end
of the next week and did not receive anything so I called again. Well, I
am told by Jay that Bill
is on leave indefinitely--nobody has any idea when he will be back and
of course, no one knows
anything about my parts whatsoever. (I come to find out from Paul on
9/23 that Bill is no
longer working for British Bulldog.) So, I try to speak with Paul about
the parts but he is in a
meeting. I called back two more times for Paul with no success. Finally
Jay takes the informat
ion on my missing parts (this is the fourth time I have given the parts
info to British Bulldog now
) and says he will look the through the invoices and see if he can find
them. I wait a few more
days and call back and Jay says he is still looking through invoices. I
wait another week and
call back and Jay states that he has put a note In Seth's box because he
has to have Seth
decide if the parts that I say I am to get are really what the deal is.
This has been one big
continuous circle. The problem is that Seth is of course on vacation
until next week. Well,
Wednesday of the next week, I had not heard anything back yet and tried
to call the last two
days and the phone is always busy. I got through (September now) and
talked to Paul--who
was unsure who I should talk too and says he will have Seth call me when
he gets in.

All right, now we may get somewhere after 4 months! Seth calls me back
and says he has
the clutch cover(showed up missing the screws) in, jack handle (which
showed up very rusted),
and USED bolts for the spare tire holder--not new ones like my kit was
too have--Seth's
comment is that the replacement kits did not show up. And, of course, my
roof rack clamp is
still no where to be found. Seth will send me the parts that he has.
Seth of course blamed the
whole deal on Bill and stated that this is why he is no longer working
at British Bulldog--well
there were lots of people involved here with this dilemma and I do not
think that it is all Bills
fault--Bill happened to be the most concerned person there that I talked
too!

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 00:26:06 EST
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 to California

In a message dated 99-02-19 23:51:10 EST, you write:

<< member of yours
  was maimed or killed driving a substandard D90?  Sounds like one
  hell of a class action law suit against local dealers, LRNA and DOT.
 
  Buy a North American D90 today and cash in on the coming bonanza!
 
 -Michael Carradine >>

Time to string up a bunch of lawyers.

Bill lawrence

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:35:41 -1000
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 to California

>>If this is right, then couldn't you buy the vehicle.  Take the paperwork
to
>>your state and get all the plates and registration taken care of.  Ship
the
>>vehicle to Nova Scotia.  Put on the plates and drive accross the border
>>without customs batting an eye?
> Most states such as California require a VIN check, where the
> DMV, a peace officer or licensed person certifies the chassis
> number and vehicle description.

Do you mean when you show up at the counter the first time you have to have
proof of the vin?

Well I have only ever registered vehicles in ME, VA, GA, and HI and that was
never checked.  Now those are instances of an out of state vehicle, never
had an out country before
Pete

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 07:27:34 +0200
Subject: Re: Greenland election

Adrian Redmond wrote:
> ELECTION IN GREENLAND

And the L-R content is...
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 07:26:16 +0200
Subject: Re: FWH elimination

Jarvis64@aol.com wrote:
> My front prop shaft is shot about a year after a re-spline, and I'm beginning
> to wonder if the "never undo your FWH, or just throw 'em in the trash" crowd
> is right--their argument re. prop shaft spline life being increased if the
> shaft is spinning all the time makes a lot of sense to me.

I just want everybody to be absolutely clear on this. I DID NOT OPEN THE
BOX !!!!(it was open when I got up this morning) 

Bill "Pandora" Rice did it, I saw him.

However, from a purely hypothetical, technical point of view... Yes.
Just replace the drive flanges/members, it's a 15 minute job. Might be a
good idea to put on new drive flanges/members whilst you're at it
(removing some of the backlash at the same time), and use new paper
gaskets and felt gaskets if its a 2a or o-rings if its a 3.

Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:56:12 -1000
Subject: Re: Vehicle Comparisons

>They often seemed to compensate for lack of design
>expertise with massive quantities of steel.

Hmmm, seems like the ole downeast saying "all ya need is ah biggah hammah"

I am not familiar with IH farm implements nor other non-road vehicle items,
but there are an awfull lot of IH semi's on the road.  And no I am not going
to make the argument that just because its on the road its a fine vehicle
(ie. pinto, pacer, RAV, samuri, etc)  I have done some work on some Mack
diesels before, and they are a complete PIA while the IH 5ton never gave us
a bit o trouble.
Now as far as the lite-line of vehicles, I have been thoroughly pleased with
all that I have owned.  The engines are damn strong.  The 304v is the same
block as used in the 395 'big' trucks.  The underbored it for the scouts,
the distance between the cylinders is measured in inches not mm.  The dana
20 xfer is not a bad box.  Plenty strong.  If you can get one of the later
D300's , even better.  The d44 axles are pretty good, very common,
inexpensive to upgrade, personally wish they had D60's in em.  I do know of
a Rover Owner who put a pair of 44's under a Series because he thought they
would be stronger then the non-salsbury stuff.  Down points... a few.
Biggest was rust.  Luckily for me on my 80 the PO had treated her with
waxoyl type stuff by Kendall.  The other three were all pretty much trash by
the time I got rid of em, but they still ran. Another thing I was never to
pleased with was the weight (GVW of over 6000lbs on the Traveller) and the
gas milage.  The 345 was getting 9 city and 11 highway.
BUT I am not going to compare the Rover to the Scout.  Name just about any
vehicle in the world, and someone will reply right back "oh those are
lemons".  Hell my first couple oh spitfires were crap, but by the 4th one
they kinda grow on you. ;-).  So maybe I got lucky and never ran accross a
bad IH.

Pete

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:59:06 -1000
Subject: Re: Horror Story--Buyer Beware

>PS: If anyone would like to know more about this situation, I would be
>glad to talk to them in
>further detail.

gawd...more?  The post was long enough to take two session on the pc to
read.
lol
Pete

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:00:34 -1000
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 to California

>Time to string up a bunch of lawyers.

Speaking of lawyers, what ever happened to our south of the border friend
with the toy powered, series topped, 90?  Haven't heard from him for a while
Pete

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From: RBurtton@aol.com
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:45:03 EST
Subject: Re: My Apology

Brent,

You must understand that many of us hold in equal disdain all the rest of the
juvinille idiots out there who "chop" other marques of cars and trucks into
"lowriders" and other assinine conversions.  But then again, its a free
country and is your choice. 

If you really want to  make such a conversion, why don't you  use a Toyota or
Jeep!!!

Regards,
Ray Burton

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From: Slade@DreamLab.cc (Michael Slade)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:12:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: GBMW

Paul wrote...

>Merger Mania is fashionable these days.  We have recently seen the
>Chrysler-Daimler union.  Why not GM-BMW?  They could call it GMW.
>General Motor Works
>General Motoren Werke

Damn am I going to have to get a new liscence plate???  Mine says PRE-BMW
now and I don't think PRE-GMBMW will fit.  *sigh*

Maybe I should just put the old plates back on.

Later,

Michael Slade
Portland, Oregon
www.DreamLab.cc

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 03:04:21 EST
Subject: Re: Importing a Defender 90 to California

In a message dated 99-02-19 23:51:10 EST, you write:

<< Yes and no.  The Defender 90 was brought into the US but only for
  the limited quantity of 2,500.  At the time they were not up to
  current standards because they did not have airbags.  So one can
  assume they were not crash tested to see they behavior with air
  bags as they would have to be today, and no test data is available.>>

If the DOT allowed them to be sold here, then there MUST be test data
somewhere: otherwise, how'd they know if they were unsafe????? Besides, at the
initial time of importation, the airbags were not required - thus any vehicle
that can otherwise comply with the requirements in effect AT THE TIME the D-90
was being imported by LRNA, could legally be brought in by a private party -
wether LRNA likes it, or not!

This reminds me of a point I wanted to make about the Morgan: the Plus-8 being
imported with the Rover engine, was emissions certified based on what the
Range Rover was doing at the time - that's how they got the car past EPA.
(meaning, anybody that wants to bring in a "parts" 1980 Range Rover, would in
fact, be able to get it through a smog test, thanks to the SD-1 being here
that year - albeit you'd have to install the fuel injection, or a Holley)
 
 << The 2,500 D90's were allowed into the US in a deal with DOT as an
  equitable trade for 2,500 Disco's that LRNA imported into the US
  in prior years before airbags were required.  One can say that some
  customers of the D90's were duped into buying an "unsafe" car by
  US standards and in comparison to other 4x4 models in the market at
  the time.  How would you like to discover a family member of yours
  was maimed or killed driving a substandard D90?  Sounds like one
  hell of a class action law suit against local dealers, LRNA and DOT.
 
 >>

I don't think so: the Feds wouldn't let themselves open to such a thing. If
the vehicle is so unsafe, they would never let it grace our streets. Remember:
the Feds were not the ones that killed the Samurai - Consumer Reports did it
with a bogus test! (they'd never stop me from buying a Yugo!)

The key point to remember if importing anything, is the year of manufacture:
if you're gonna do it, at least import something that falls under a year in
which it was actually sold here...makes any possible required conversions a
bit cheaper (for those importing a driver)

Charles

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 11:46:46 +0100
Subject: Re: Greenland election

Oops - sorry! That was meant for somewhere else!

Adrian Redmond

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