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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:00:16 -0400
Subject: Re: PCV theory...

Jeff Goldman wrote:
> >out, similar to the stock LR air filter. If the crankcase is vented into
> >the induction system, then the oil and hydrocarbons pass through the
> >engine, and can be burned.
>   Yeah, but why is it a non-return valve? I wager it's for negative
> crankcase conditions (does that happen?) stealing air from the induction
> end. Other than that, I can't figure why it's one way. Anyone?

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> end. Other than that, I can't figure why it's one way. Anyone?
> Jeff Goldman

It is one way to prevent a backfire travelling to the crankcase. 
explosion in crankcase = megga boom= no more engine.
John and Muddy

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From: "john kriboo" <john@dmt-2000.demon.nl>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:44:56 +0100
Subject: Re: series III stage one

>Is this the original engine?
>I thought the stage ones all had the rangerover v-8?
>Pete

All stage ones had 3.5 V-8 engines. This LR is converted to diesel in 1997.
 
John
series III stage one (diesel )

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From: "HENRY STAGE"<henry.stage@smtp.cnet.navy.mil>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:22:57 -0600
Subject: Greek Peak '99

     I could let Sandy Grice answer this, but as far as ROAV is concerned, 
     we think it should be an every 5 year type thing. It is LOTS of work, 
     especially for Sandy, and does distract from our local rally. Still, 
     it was great fun (would have been better for me if my leg was not 
     broken at the time!) and will hopefully happen again. If y'all really 
     want it VOLUNTEER!!!
     
     Oh, and nobody ran off with the money.  Some of our less responsible 
     bretheren cost ANARC a fortune in fines for off roading where they 
     were not supposed to.   
     
     See ya at the next Mid-Atlantic Rally???!!!
     
     Cole Stage
     Hefelump mahout

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 99 05:55:50 -0800
Subject: Re: swivel ball nuts and bolts

>Nuts and bolts holding swivel balls to the axles...me needs new
>ones.  Fine thread, of course, but grade 5 (stretches) or grade
>8 (stronger, but shears).
;
;>Whattaya think?

I went with grade 8 on The Green Rover.  The ball & axle end has a strong 
flange that takes most of the forces.  The bolts keep the ball from 
sliding out of the flange connection.  I opted for putting everything 
into nonmovment. I think any stretching in this connection will result in 
imminent joint failure.

TeriAnn Wakeman                                  Border to Border
Santa Cruz, California                          Expedition Society 
twakeman@cruzers.com                           "Live the adventure"
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman           http://www.bordertoborder.com

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 16:10:49 +0200
Subject: Re: series III stage one

john kriboo wrote:
> All stage ones had 3.5 V-8 engines. This LR is converted to diesel in 1997.

Well strictly speaking, not! All (or most) British Stage 1's had the v8.
Apart from a few prototypes, SA manufactured Stage 1's (Series IIIS) had
the infamous R6 Austin Marina overhead cam 2.6 petrol engine and the ADE
4 cylinder diesel (I'm unsure of the specs on this mill, but it had gut
wrenching torque, I think it was something like a 4 litre).
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za

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From: "john kriboo" <john@dmt-2000.demon.nl>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:33:38 +0100
Subject: Re: series III stage one

Paul wrote:
>Well strictly speaking, not! All (or most) British Stage 1's had the v8.
>Apart from a few prototypes, SA manufactured Stage 1's (Series IIIS) had
>the infamous R6 Austin Marina overhead cam 2.6 petrol engine and the ADE
>4 cylinder diesel (I'm unsure of the specs on this mill, but it had gut
>wrenching torque, I think it was something like a 4 litre).
>Regards
>Paul Oxley

I knew there were some prototypes with diesel engines; how many are produced
?I cannot remember any of them being sold to the public.
info on this?

John
series III stage one (diesel)

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From: Dan Ratcliffe <DRatcliffe@trginc.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:28:27 -0500
Subject: The Uwharrie Safari is ON!

The Uwharrie Safari is ON!  During the weekend of 2-5 April, 1999, we 
will conduct the first ever Uwharrie Safari in central North 
Carolina!
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 http://members.tripod.com/~Ratclida /index.html.  The web address is 
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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 16:53:04 +0200
Subject: Re: series III stage one

john kriboo wrote:
> I knew there were some prototypes with diesel engines; how many are produced
> ?I cannot remember any of them being sold to the public.
> info on this?

I'm unsure of the total number, but I think that LRSA probably churned
out about 1000 of the beasts (of the approx 5000 R6's). Plenty were
either directly sold to the public or have ended up in public hands. I
know of a guy who used to (he may still do for all I know) tow a 3 ton
trailer with his on long business trips around the sub-continent -
apparently it would do 80 km/h down hills, 80 km/h up hills, 80 km/h
without the trailer, 80 km/h with the trailer (loaded).... you get the
idea I'm sure. But it was noisy as hell!
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za

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From: john hess <jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:30:35 -0700
Subject: bolts

Russell Dushin wrote:
Folks-

Nuts and bolts holding swivel balls to the axles...me needs new
ones.  Fine thread, of course, but grade 5 (stretches) or grade
8 (stronger, but shears).

Whattaya think?

rd/nige (for Mr. Plow, et.al...Nige is sound)

I think that those bolts are not quite regular are they?  I mean if you buy
grade 5 or grade 8 american, the bolts won't fit exactly like the
originals. Several years ago, I was going to replace those same ones when I
had the balls off but after looking at how they fit and the grade 8
available at the hardware store, I decided to reuse the bolts and nuts.

If you buy american, please let me know what size.

Thanks

John F Hess   jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us
Land Rover Dormobile web pages:
http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html
1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis"  1960 Land Rover 88 PU "Stubby"
1966 Mercury Monterey "Tillie"

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:42:38 -0500
Subject: GP funds

Scott C. Wickham Jr. wrote:

>  Is there going to be a Greek Peek '99?  Had a blast at the last one but,
>heard someone ran off with all the cash.  Misinformation or what?

Yup...misinformation.  The funds are in the bank...some in Canada, some in
the US...and the rest in a numbered account in the Cayman Islands.  (Just
kidding about that last part....)

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  |                                                   |
  |   (original owner)        (pre-production)        | 
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: Todd Schlemmer <nullman@ptinet.net>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:03:42 -0800
Subject: Re: Tractor Paint

>>Any suggestions for blending touched-up paint into the older, faded paint?
>  Yes, drag it over the nearest tree!
>   Scott C. Wickham Jr.
>     Pittsburgh, Pa.
>     1972 Ser III
>     Zebra truck

OK OK OK OK 
I concede that it's trite to ask about duplicating a distressed finish... 
Anyway, the touched-up part blends in once it is dry.  
bboT
Todd Schlemmer
Vashon Is., WA

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From: "Andy Grafton" <andyg@sherco.co.za>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:02:23 +0200
Subject: Re: series III stage one

> apparently it would do 80 km/h down hills, 80 km/h up hills, 80 km/h
# without the trailer, 80 km/h with the trailer (loaded).... you get the
> idea I'm sure. But it was noisy as hell!

Paul I think those ADE diesels have a higher ratio transfer 'box as 
they only do about 3000rpm, flat out.

I was in one about 6 months ago and if I ever need a tractor I shall 
seriously consider one.  And a set of ear defenders.  And an 
isolating seat for the cab.

All the best,

Andy
andyg@sherco.co.za, '79RR

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From: John <jhong@flex.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:25:15 -0800
Subject: Re: swivel ball nuts and bolts

The Great Al "fill in what you want" Richer, only recipient of the OVLR
Dork Tari award in the known universe! writes in response to Dushin da
Russian:

>Re: Hardware:
>Grade 8 - the stretch is not a major requirement - that joint won't go in
>tension with the overkill of 6 bolts.

I am getting ready to grind off the bolts on my axle.  I think they were
made in some commie country cause my SAE inch wrenches no fit. grumble.
Also, sockets are no go, so airwrench is also no dice. GRUMBLE GRUMBLE.   

I thought I would be a wise ass and tender the concept of "celebrating
diversity" and advocate using three grade 5 and three grade 8 fastners,
side by side, in understanding and harmony.

John

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From: PAUL HANSON <HANSONPA@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:48:45 -0600
Subject: TOM ROWE

TOM, Please give me a "hello" via e-mail.  I have misplaced your address!
Paul Hanson

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From: "billyjoe bodean" <billyjoebodean@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:54:11 PST
Subject: Re: US 130's???!?!?!

Effn A! Marin!

Yah no, you didn't strike me as the Ford pickemup truck driving type.
Butt I guess I wuz wrong.  Now youse runnin with the big dawgs!
You runnin swampers on that truck?  I'm running Vipers on mine!

So Govenor,  where do you keep the grey poupon?
I keep mine in a cup holder hanging off the door.  Useta keep my snuff 
spit in that cup holder till one day, I slammed the door a little too 
hard and my old lady sitting across the way weren't too happy.  I 
laughed my ass off then butt I wasn't laughin that night or quite a few 
after...hell nuff about my personal problems.

Fords rock, Chevys suck and Rovers are okay.

BillyJo Bodean

From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:44:25 -0800
Subject: Re: US 130's???!?!?!

They are no less practical than a Ford F-350 Crew Cab.  If you need that 
kind of vehicle, which I do, then a Defender 130 is a fine machine.  In 
fact, it's smaller overall than a Ford Crewcab.  I've driven a D130, and 
they are no more trouble than the Ford F250 Supercab I have now.  If 
you're not used to driving a vehicle this size, I suppose they might be 
intimidating, but I've been driving the F250 for years, parking it all 
over the place in downtown 
Seattle, etc.  I've never had any trouble getting it into wherever I 
needed to get into, including parking garages.  Sure, it won't fit in 
the "Compact" parking slots, but other than that, it's no higher than a 
van and no wider than anything else.  My wife, who drives the F250 
regularly, will be using our D130 in the UK next month, 
and will be driving into downtowm Manchester, Chester, York, and 
probably some other towns as well as through the narrow village streets 
in the Yorkshire Dales and the Lake District.  Delivery drivers take 
full-size lorries through these place: in 
comparison,  a Defender 130 will be a snap.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: "sir walternewton" <sirwalternewton@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:19:03 PST
Subject:  Re: US 130's???!?!?!

I say Marin, you are certainly multifaceted!

I never quite pictured you as being of the "macho" pickup truck gendre.   
Alas, I would seem that I am mistaken.  It would seem that you are as 
they say, "running with the large hounds!"   Haw Haw.
I say, you haven't shod your steed with swampers have you?  Vipers you  
say?  Well give me Five then! Haw!

So old boy, where do you store the mustard, eh eh, wink wink nudge nudge 
say no more...

I have adapted one of your colonial cup holders to retain mine in a most 
convenient fashion.  I first used it to retain my snuff box but one day, 
in a fit of pique, I slammed the door a little too hard and let me 
assure you, SWMBO sitting across the way was not at all happy.
I laughed my arse off at the time butt as you can imagine I paid dearly 
for that moment for many nights to come.  Thin line between the marital 
and martial arts eh old chum.  Well, enough of my domestic difficulties.

All the Best

Sir Walter Newton, Fig, Full Calorie.

From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:44:25 -0800
Subject: Re: US 130's???!?!?!

They are no less practical than a Ford F-350 Crew Cab.  If you need that 
kind of vehicle, which I do, then a Defender 130 is a fine machine.  In 
fact, it's smaller overall than a Ford Crewcab.  I've driven a D130, and 
they are no more trouble than the Ford F250 Supercab I have now.  If 
you're not used to driving a vehicle this size, I suppose they might be 
intimidating, but I've been driving the F250 for years, parking it all 
over the place in downtown 
Seattle, etc.  I've never had any trouble getting it into wherever I 
needed to get into, including parking garages.  Sure, it won't fit in 
the "Compact" parking slots, but other than that, it's no higher than a 
van and no wider than anything else.  My wife, who drives the F250 
regularly, will be using our D130 in the UK next month, 
and will be driving into downtowm Manchester, Chester, York, and 
probably some other towns as well as through the narrow village streets 
in the Yorkshire Dales and the Lake District.  Delivery drivers take 
full-size lorries through these place: in 
comparison,  a Defender 130 will be a snap.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:48:03 EST
Subject: Seeking off road adventure

My son and I (having received the blessings of SWMBO) are looking to spend two
weeks in August of 2000 on some sort of off road adventure. We are unable to
decide where to go so any helpful suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

I am limited to a maximum time away from work of three weeks, so we are
looking to hire a vehicle (Land Rover preferred but not compulsory) and
equipment in the area local to our trip for two weeks. This will give us the
third week to travel there and back and perhaps spend a few none travelling
days before or after in the chosen country.

So where should we go? Many fine words have been written about this type of
trip around African countries, Australia, Iceland, Canada, and the US. We are
looking for an interesting holiday not a gruelling Camel Trophy type
experience.

Does anyone on the list have experience of making this sort of trip in a
rented vehicle, if so from whom did you rent? Where do I start to find out
more? Would anyone be interested in renting a second vehicle to keep us
company? It is after all safer with two.

We are UK based and have a lot of experience in club/competiotion based off
roading but have never made this sort of trip. I am a competent mechanic and
experienced traveller/camper but not third world experienced.

Mike Rogers
Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 99 10:57:25 -0800
Subject: Re: swivel ball nuts and bolts

>I am getting ready to grind off the bolts on my axle.  I think they were
>made in some commie country cause my SAE inch wrenches no fit. grumble.
>Also, sockets are no go, so airwrench is also no dice. GRUMBLE GRUMBLE. 
;
I think it was one of those Fabian Socialist countries myself.  But I did 
find a way to get them funny sized bolts off before replacing them with 
3/8 inch grade 8 bolts.

The funny bolts are just a teensy tad bigger than a 15mm spanner if 
memory serves.  I used a 15mm open end spanner and a small hammer to tap 
the spanner into place.  Not kosher but it worked.  Though I suppose you 
could use what my dad called an Oklahoma socket set, AKA crescent wrench 
know in some Fabian Socialist countries as adjustable spanners

TeriAnn Wakeman                       The Green Rover, rebuilt and
Santa Cruz, California                and maintained using parts from
twakeman@cruzers.com                  British Pacific 800-554-4133
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman      

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <rgdushin@blackcat.cat.syr.edu>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:48:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Geek Peak '99

'twas written:

*** 
Oh, and nobody ran off with the money.  Some of our less responsible
bretheren cost ANARC a fortune in fines for off roading where they
were not supposed to.
***

OK, not to start any flames here, but I'm not quite sure it's
right to *exclusively* blame "our less responsible bretheren" for 
treading where they should not have.

For all I know, I may have been one of them, even though I never
passed by a "No Tresspassing" sign.  Turned around the one time
I saw one...but it wasn't at all clear to me just where I could
and where I could not go.  If I saw a trail on land that wasn't
posted I tried it out.  Even got some guidance from some locals
a few times, so presumed it was all honky-dory.

Nor do I care to put all blame on the organizers here, even if the maps
they provided weren't the greatest.  They did the best they could, and
certainly could not be expected to police the entire neighborhood.
Maybe next time, if there is a next time, the organizers should 
find out precisely what trails are open and what aren't and mark
them clearly.  One would think they could get some help from
the GP folks on this (who might also be able to apply a little
bit of local political pressure...).  You'd think that if GP 
wanted these kinds of events to continue, they'd look into this.
(BTW, anyone know how the Jeep folks did later on last summer?)

Some blame may even lie with the propety owners themselves.  In NYS you
have to post your property with a sign every fifty feet that has
your name AND address on it.  Few know this...and fewer comply, including
certain state agencies.

My take on this is that we all need to share the blame - organizers,
off roaders, and the land owners who may have failed to properly
post their property and maintain those posted signs.  That the
organizers shelled out bucks to the DEC was, in my opinion, not an
admission of guilt, but a way to get the DEC off their backs at the
cheapest cost (lots cheaper than defending it all in court).  Hopefully,
the organizers feel the same way, and aren't seeking to place blame
on folks who may have (unknowingly?) strayed beyond bounds, where
ever the hell the "bounds" were...

Granted, I am ingnorant of the specifics of the DEC charges, so
if someone cares to point out that people tore up properly posted
property I'll stand corrected.  I'll also know I wasn't a guilty
party.

rgds,
rd/nige

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:59:09 +0100
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Goodafternoon,

My name is Marc and I live in the Netherlands. I want to subscribe to =
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to.
Can you send me a form to subscibe to the LRO magazine ?

My home adres is :    M. Kortekaas
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                                The Netherlands

I want to thank you for your time.

Goodbye,

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:04:05 +0100
Subject: Re: bolts

(To be taken with a tad "tongue in cheek")

I know I replied to this thread myself earlier, recommending the
stretching type of bolts - but seriously folks - isn't this a "mere
detail" in terms of rovering - I mean, when an axle is so seriously
overdimensioned, does it really matter? Worst case 2 bolts (the lower
pair) take the major stress when the axle wallops over a bump - the
breaking strain of these two bolts combined must be in excess of 10
tons. Given that there are four other bolts too - six in all, this must
give a tremendous strength.

Now we all check our blts now and again, especially after heavy terrain
driving - don't we - so we would notice if one or two were broken or
stretched?

Personally speaking, I have misused rovers with hard driving for 15
years, and have never seen anything but rusted, crudded, grunged up
bolts which dont move unless you use heat and hammer.

I think they'll hold...

:-)

Adrian Redmond

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:08:38 +0100
Subject: Re: swivel ball nuts and bolts

I have a feeling that bolts and nuits when exposed to the airstream
under the car, gradually emit positve ions (or is it electrons) so that
they diminish in size - a sort of aerodynamic corrosion. Funny thing is,
no matter how old the car and the bolts are, and no matter how many
coats of paint they are covered with (which does not diminish in size)
the result is a bolthead which is exactly the size between what is was,
and the size below - thus none of my spanners will fit.

I look forward to a scientific explanation of this phenomena from one of
the other armchair pliholsophers on the list...

:-)

Adrian Redmond

          http://www.channel6.dk/native

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <rgdushin@blackcat.cat.syr.edu>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 16:12:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Bolts

John Hess (hey!) writes:

***
I think that those bolts are not quite regular are they?  I mean if you
buy grade 5 or grade 8 american, the bolts won't fit exactly like the
originals. Several years ago, I was going to replace those same ones when
I had the balls off but after looking at how they fit and the grade 8
available at the hardware store, I decided to reuse the bolts and nuts.
***

Been wondering about this myself.  By "not quite regular" do you mean
the dimensions of the shaft of the bolt (not quite fitting right in the
holes in the axles/swivel balls) or the heads on the nuts and bolts
(so's you can't quite get a socket on them)?  If the former, I'm not
too sure it's a problem, since as TeA pointed out there's a flange
on the swivel balls that "set" them to the axle (and this flange
also takes the load, no doubt).  If the latter, there's always the
"three grunts" with an open end technique as Peter H. stated.  Works for
me..

I'd reuse mine if I could, but they're shot.  Me bro', Fred, is in
the same boat.  Suppose I could order new from a reputable dealer,
but it'll likely cost me $2.50 apiece plus shipping ... $35ish for
hardware???

Thanks all, for the advice, conflicting though it may have been.

rd/nige

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:18:15 +0100
Subject: Defender station wagons

Due to some interesting loophole in the Danish tax system, film
companies, along with schools, handicap organisations and rock
orchestras are able to buy new vehicles which are classified as busses
without paying the otherwise exhorbitant import duties.

My company has a VW LT35D under this rule, but being 11 years old, I am
considering replacing it with something more modern. And I have
discovered that a LR Defender 110 Station wagon is also acceptable under
these rules.

Before leaping head first into a splinter new 300Tdi Defender SW, I have
a few questions which others on the list might be able to answer?

How comfortable are the second row of seats? Can these be replaced with
seats similar to the front seats? Is there room to move the second row
of seats back an inch or two (I will be removing the rear bench seats to
make room for a equipment compartment for my film gear) thus giving a
little more leg room.

How reliable is the 300 tdi motor? Is is easy to work on if I want do do
my own routine repairs and maintenance?

Why hasn't LR discovered the beuty of the fully galvanised chassis yet?
(I have just ordered one today for my 109, and at 13000 kroner it's a
snip - shouldn't this be standard?)

What are the standard or recommended wheel rims / tyres for these
creatures?

Is permanent 4WD better/different to Series 2/4 wheel drive? How?

Do defenders corrode just as much as their predecessors? (I have already
consiodered buying a splinter new Defender, and before driving it on the
road, stripping it completly and galvanising everything in sight, but
that's another story...)

How does a moderatly loaded D110 station wagon with 5 or 6 passengers
and a pile of film gear perform in comparison to say a VW
transporter/Caravelle or an Astra or Espace minibus? I am thinking of
long haul motorway driving.

Thanks for any advice you folks may be able to offer...

Adrian Redmond

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From: Jon.McDowell@gecits-ap.com
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 08:33:10 +1000
Subject: Re: British comedy (was Onslo's hat)

Bill Lawrence wrote:

"Can't be any worse than the Daimler Dart."

Now Bill you know that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, otherwise how
would blokes like you or I ever get married (or Frank how ever many times
he's been married)

I never owned a Daimler SP250 just the V8 250 but I quite like it.  And
lets face it the LR cannot be called pretty!!

Jon and the Farm Car

PS: managed to get up the hill

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From: Clinton Coates <ccoates@GOLDER.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:47:00 -0800
Subject: cap nuts

     Just an idea.
     
     For big bolts that tend to be in place for a long time and tend to 
     become buggers to remove because of rusted-on-bunged-up-threads.  I am 
     thinking of ones such as the big bulkhead to frame bolts and suchlike.
     
     If one bolted the thing up like normal, using anti seize, then stuck 
     on a lockwasher over top with a cap nut filled with more anti seize, 
     this should make the removal job in the future fairly simple???  I am 
     going to try this when I go over my frame and whatever in the next 
     year or so.
     
     Clinton "or maybe I should rig all the cap nuts with zerk fittings..." 
     Coates

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From: Clinton Coates <ccoates@GOLDER.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:43:00 -0800
Subject: Weird Wrenches (was  Re: swivel ball nuts and bolts)

When your only tool is a hammer.... (TeriAnn uses the persuader to remove 
her swivel ball bolts, just like me....).

This is what I try to do whenever I am not going to be reusing the bolts.  
For other people who are maybe a little less practical and seek more 
elegant solutions, try the following.

1) get a 15mm wrench (cheapy, craftsman etc.) and a good file and modify.  
While dissassemlbing my 80" I was at first frustrated with all the *&%^*%&* 
whitworth sized bolt heads.  Then I went down to the local surplus store 
and bought a set of really cheap wrenches from India.  A few minutes with a 
file and undinged bolt heads for guages and I had a very nice custom set of 
Whitworth wrenches (7/16"-ish and 5/16"-ish...).  The nice thing doing it 
this way is that I was able to get a very nice minimal tolerance fit which 
made the formerly cheap rough crap wrenches into really fine quality 
ones...  One can do the same thing with a box end if they have the proper 
file and the time to make it work.  In this case, for budging stubborn 
fittings, getting a 6 sided grip-the-flats boxend is better than the 12 
sided round-off-the-corners box end.
2) Sears and Crappy Tyre sells a set of 3 adjustable wrenches.  They look 
sort of like those nut splitters, but instead of a wedge shaped splitter on 
the end, there is a sliding portion adjustable by a thumbscrew.  These are 
infinitely adjustable within their range and grip the bolt/nut on 4 flats.  
They protrude a little bit more in depth than a regular spanner, but not 
too much.
3) Vice Grip also makes a really cool adjustable wrench.  Envision a 
regular vice grip with a V shape on the upper Jaw that grips the upper 
right and left flats on the bolt/nut.  The adjustable jaw has a rounded nub 
that grips the bottom flat.  If there is the room, these suckers will move 
seriousely rounded off nuts and bolts with no problem.
4) Or just buy a set of Whiworth wrenches.....  Nah, me neither!

Good luck.

Clinton.

PS, there is also the blue tipped Gas Wrench and the aformentioned nut 
splitter as well.  Not to mention AJRs favourite abrasive wrench, Mr. Angle 
Grinder.  AJRs advice has saved me a lot of time and grief in the last 
while.  I now give bolts 2 tries.  One try to see if it goes.  Then 
depending on how long the job can take, one try after a darned good soaking 
in various solvents.  Then when the bugger doesn't budge, out with Mr.....

PPS. When you replace those bolts...USE ANTI SEIZE!!!!!  I have had the 
privilege of doing several jobs over on my truck in the last 3-4 years.  
Everytime I replace a bolt, I goop it up with anti seize.  *NO* bolt that 
has been so treated has been a problem to remove the second time.

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 16:37:08 EST
Subject: Re: PCV theory...

In a message dated 2/24/99 1:26:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, roverboy@gis.net
writes:

> >out, similar to the stock LR air filter. If the crankcase is vented into
>  >the induction system, then the oil and hydrocarbons pass through the
>  >engine, and can be burned.
>    Yeah, but why is it a non-return valve? I wager it's for negative
>  crankcase conditions (does that happen?) stealing air from the induction
>  end. Other than that, I can't figure why it's one way. Anyone?

I don't know if it's the reason, but I personally wouldn't want atomized
petrol pulled into my engine oil....

Nate

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From: "jos de vries" <ct915434@student.citg.tudelft.nl>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:09:59 +0100
Subject: Re: Land Rover Owner

Marc kortekaas,

LROi look at :
http://www.lroi.com/

Dutch Land Rover List look at:
http://www.casema.net/~kielen/LRCH/ 
in dutch: welkom, op die pagina staat de manier om je aan te melden, leuke
actieve list, groeit als kool

Jos de Vries
Delft, The Netherlands

Santana 109 SW '71 D
Land Rover 88 4x2 '75 

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:13:24 +0100
Subject: Re: Weird Wrenches (was  Re: swivel ball nuts and bolts)

Why not buy a set of *'?+"3¤! Whitworth spanners - then you are over the
trouble...?

Adrian Redmond

          http://www.channel6.dk/native

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:17:16 +0100
Subject: Re: cap nuts - another way

There is a cheap and simple way - especially with bodywork struictural
bolts which are exposed to the weather.

First coat the bolt with copper grease. Then mount the part and bolt up.
Wipe the excess grease off, and dab the protruding thread with silicone
mastic - this hangs on forever - and seals the copper grease in. Next
time you have to dismantle, just run around the car with a battery drill
and a light wire brush cup and remove the silicone - spray WD40 or
similar and undo the bolts.

Being the fanatic that I am and removing the tub every two years or so,
I do this as standard, and each time I dismantle, I am surprised to see
how many bolst still have their silicone cap on.

Adrian Redmond

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:18:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Land Rover Owner

"C.Th. Bleijie" wrote:
> Goodafternoon,
> My name is Marc and I live in the Netherlands. I want to subscribe to =
> the Land Rover Owner Magazine, but I don't have the adres to subscibe =
> to.
> Can you send me a form to subscibe to the LRO magazine ?
> My home adres is :    M. Kortekaas

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> I want to thank you for your time.
> Goodbye,

You can contact them at lroshop@idirect.com
or by mail  at     Anglian House,
                   Chapel Lane,
                   Botesdale. 
                   Diss,
                   Norfolk,
                   IP22 1DT

John and Muddy

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:24:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Bolts

"Russell G. Dushin" wrote:
> John Hess (hey!) writes:
> ***
> I think that those bolts are not quite regular are they?  I mean if you
> buy grade 5 or grade 8 american, the bolts won't fit exactly like the
> originals. Several years ago, I was going to replace those same ones when
> I had the balls off but after looking at how they fit and the grade 8
> available at the hardware store, I decided to reuse the bolts and nuts.
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> hardware???
> Thanks all, for the advice, conflicting though it may have been.
 

All this talk of sockets and wrenches not quite fitting. Why don't you
dedicated LROs have your own set of Whitworth tools? Why doncha ha? why?
  John and Muddy

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From: "john kriboo" <john@dmt-2000.demon.nl>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:53:57 +0100
Subject: digest

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From: John <jhong@flex.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:44:30 -0800
Subject: Land Rover magazines...

Besides LROI, there are 2 other Land Rover magazines...

LRW at
www.linkhouse.co.uk/landrover.html

and 

LRM
www.lrm.co.uk

not that I am biased or anything! :)

John
LRM North America Correspondent

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:40:02 EST
Subject: Re: 109 Seating

I don't know if anyone's brought this up yet:
The 109 outsold the 88 when it first came out in Blighty because it was
officially a 12 seater. I'm not sure if this was with the 2-door (2 or 3 in
the front, 5 down each side in the back, or the 4 door (3 in the front, 3 in
the back seat, three down each side behind the back seat). 
Anyway, it was in the same tax bracket as a small bus, so the extra pounds it
cost up front were MORE than made up in yearly taxes and the delivery charge.

Hope this helps.

Alex Maiolo
Chapel Hill NC
49 S I
95 Disco

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:44:43 EST
Subject: Po-lice

In a message dated 2/24/99 7:11:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-lro-digest-
ltd@playground.sun.com writes:

<< let the Pols. know that they are supposed to be
 working for the people, not themselves and all the special interest
 groups that continually surround them. >>

 In George Carlin's monologue about "how to get someon'e attention!" he said
"try this":

"say a cop pulls you over, right? turn to him and say 'hey, you're a public
servant, right?' "

cop:"yes"

" ' THEN GO GET ME A DRINK OF WATER! ' "
"that'll get his attention...."

Alex Maiolo

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:09:02 EST
Subject: Re: British comedy (was Onslo's hat)

In a message dated 99-02-24 16:37:38 EST, you write:

 Now Bill you know that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, otherwise how
 would blokes like you or I ever get married (or Frank how ever many times
 he's been married)
  >>
Wel since you had to get personal I guess I have to divulge my secret.  My
wife is quite nearsighted. She got contact lenses shortly after we were
married, must have been a helluva shock.

Bill Lawrence

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:57:32 EST
Subject: Re: Series Insurance (re:Allstate)

In a message dated 2/24/99 7:12:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-lro-digest-
ltd@playground.sun.com writes:

<< All I did was call my agent (AllState) and he added it ('71 SIIA 88) to my
 policy.  I expressed some concern about valuation in the event of a claim, >>

 Let me tell you something about Allstate. They're all sunshine and smiles
until you have a claim that could be ANYTHING but straight-forward (like, say
the value of a Series truck).
Hear me on this because I rarely talk sh*t about anyone:
they will screw you.

The guy making the promises isn't the guy you'll be dealing with if you land
in the proverbial poo. You'll be dealing with a militant group of bean-
counters with bulldog skin.
I was in an accident 6 years ago in my Range Rover and they low-balled me so
badly it was pitiful. How hard could it possibly be to find data on a Rangie? 
So guess what will happen if there's ever a claim on something like a Series
truck (or God help a 110 driver). I can pity you all  day long, but that won't
fix your truck.

I have my S I insured by a small, independent local guy with a company he
found after he spent time researching it. I think I pay about $7 more per
year, but he's got photos, needs to keep my business from the big guys so he
goes out of his way, and has ALWAYS made claims easy on me. The legwork this
guy does to make me happy is amazing.

Alex Maiolo
Chapel Hill NC
49 S I
95 Disco

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:15:07 -0800
Subject: First dates

The subject came up in a discussion tonight...what is the earliest
"official" sales date of the Land Rover in the US?  That is, vehicles
exported by the company rather than units imported by individuals.  Thought
I read somewhere that it was 1951, but it might be earlier....  cheers

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 06:33:01 +0200
Subject: Re: 109 Seating

RoverNut@aol.com wrote:
> I don't know if anyone's brought this up yet:
> The 109 outsold the 88 when it first came out in Blighty because it was
> officially a 12 seater. I'm not sure if this was with the 2-door (2 or 3 in

Alex,

I don't know if the seating capacity had any direct effect on sales as
you seem to suggest. The L-R has always (until recently) been regarded
as a working vehicle, and you can get far more work done with the 109
than with the 88. Work like loading (goods as well as people), lugging
heavy loads in inhospitable terrain, etc. 

Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 06:38:12 +0200
Subject: Re: Weird Wrenches (was  Re: swivel ball nuts and bolts)

Clinton Coates wrote:
> When your only tool is a hammer.... (TeriAnn uses the persuader to remove
> her swivel ball bolts, just like me....).

Oh, sorry, I thought the Subject was about 'Weird Wenches', I'll shut up
now...
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 00:11:54 EST
Subject: Re: Defender widow-makers

In a message dated 99-02-22 22:35:37 EST, you write:

 A good story, but it sounds like the automotive equivalent of "urban
 folklore".
 
 I suspect the NAS roll cage was driven by concerns over the ability to
 defend the design in litigation.
 
 Regards,
 David Cockey
 
 >>
Anything can be made to roll over, but the LR is definitely not the worst in
its class. We've all seen the pictures of Land Rovers standing on the test
apparatus at a 45 degree traverse angle. That indicates that they have a
center of gravity lower than their competition can approach. The more stuff
you pile on top the higher the COG rises but at least they start out with an
advantage. I think the roll-over protection is a good idea for any vehicle
which pretends to serious off-road capabilities. My experience of two roll-
overs in the family has shown the aluminum top to provide a great deal of
protection by itself. can't speak for the glass version.

Nill Lawrence
Albq, NM

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 00:59:32 EST
Subject: Re: prat's yer uncle

In a message dated 99-02-21 19:39:27 EST, you write:

<< BTW, as in my second-favourite US insult - "dipstick" (yes, I do have to
 admit that I used to watch Dukes of Hazard) has anyone else noticed that
 almost invariably these insulting words (c*nt, pr*ck dipstick) all, in fact,
 refer to very useful items/body parts? There is some sort of reverse
 reasoning in this.
 (My favourite US insult is "wuss", dunno what it means but it sounds so
 good!) >>

Dipstick is , I believe, a cleaned up version of the term dipsh*t. Any
explanation needed? 

Wuss or Wussy is a combination of the words Wimp and Pussy (see Prat). It
denotes a person of no moral courage and may most aptly be applied to all of
the Democrat members of the US senate and to a somewhat smaller number of the
Republicans. 

Bill Lawrence
Albq, NM

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From: "Andy Grafton" <andyg@sherco.co.za>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:27:03 +0200
Subject: Re: Weird Wrenches (was  Re: swivel ball nuts and bolts)

For rounded off nuts and bolts, the strange Whitworth ones and the 
ones which were hand crafted to a totally non-standard size with a 
tungsten carbite toothpick by the Bolt Fairies.... I find my surface 
drive/Metrinch/whatever socket set and spanners to be just the job.

They're not my favourite choice of tools for everyday use as they 
can get locked on, exhibit far more backlash than conventional hex-
grippers and have wider jaws and a thicker 'ring'.  I haven't rounded 
a nut with them yet, though.

All the best,
Andy
andyg@sherco.co.za, '79RR

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 01:18:45 EST
Subject: Re: My Apology

In a message dated 99-02-21 19:34:49 EST, you write:

 >>>>>>>>>I must clarify my reason behind my 'attack' on Frank.
 It's quite simple, actually; I neither enjoy nor approve of having my
 intelligence PUBLICALLY insulted by someone whom I don't know and who has
 little or no insight about myself and my life. (much less somoeone whose
 acquaintance I have made) Had he not taken the initiative to imply that I'm
 an idiot, <<<<<<<
 
 I didn't IMPLY anything. By your post, YOU have shown that you are an idiot.
 Having now found out your age I know WHY you are an idiot.
 Still doesn't stop you being an idiot though does it?
 
 >>>>>so-called "purists" on this message
 board. I respect each and every one <<<<<
 
 but you describe them (I'm not one) "so-called" ? The purists are the ones
 to really admire. I wish I was half as dedicated.
 
 >>>>>>>However, I do not understand why I've been flamed simply because I
 want to
 modify a Land Rover.<<<<<<<<<
 
 It ain't because you want to "modify", it's because you want to ruin. Refer
 to my original post (and yours) "wheel spin" for an off-roader???
 
 >>>>>If I didn't love Rovers just as much as the rest of you, would I even
 consider undertaking a project of this magnitude? <<<<<
 
 er, yes, if you were stupid and had a 16 year old's "understanding" of love.
 
 >>>>>>My friends have called me crazy, <<<<<<<
 these sound like good friends to have. You should listen to them.
 
 >>>>> Why, then, won't you, the Land Rover veterans, help a neophyte in his
 quest to become one of you?<<<<<<
 
 'cos you don't want tobecome one of us, you want to be stupid.
 
 There was a thread not long ago by a guy who was proposing to build an
 electric-powered Land Rover. In the midst of the debate my comment was that
 it was the daftest idea I'd ever heard and that was a pretty good reason for
 doing it.
 Unfortunately you don't appear to have the inteligence to understand the
 difference between his project and yours.
 I pity you, but all is not lost for if you really do love Land Rovers you
 will grow up, you will learn some humility, you will learn from the mistake
 of this idiotic project, and you will end up with a real - albeit modified -
 Land Rover.
 
 Best Cheers
 
 Frank
     +--+--+--+
      I !__|  [_]|_\___
      I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
      "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW
  >>

Frank,
Well judging by the lack of response you and the rest of us "reactionary old
farts" have succeeded in driving the young gentleman (prat?) away. I hope you
all feel proud of yourselves. I for one am truly mortified by our less than
compassionate handling of this affair. Yes, yes I am ......... now where the
hell did I put my beer down? 

Bill Lawrence
Albq, NM 

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From: urbncby@sgi.net (Scott C. Wickham Jr.)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 01:19:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Looking for off road adventure in Altoona

  The weekend of 2/19,20,21/99 was spent in Altoona on 700 acres of
privately owned land.  Owned by a fellow Rover NUT, mind you.  Myself, Gary
Schroder, Wes Harris, and Bill Fishel (with the amazing side-kick 'Tony')
all had a very enjoyable day of off-roading on Dave Wells' land.  About 12
miles of trails already cut in, and tons of new stuff ready to be made,
this was off-road heaven.  Lots of up/down hills to negotiate, along with
lots and lots of rocks.  Many wide open clearings in which to gather and
cook, drink, talk around the fire, drink, fix what you just broke, drink,
and maybe have a drink.  Dave was gracious enough to invite us up for some
trail riding and socializing.  Dave is definitely a 'Rover-Guy' who will
have you laughing in a minute with all the stories.  We all met in
Holidaysburg, just outside Altoona, Pa., and loaded up on gas, food, water
and such.
    Gassed up and ready to go, we waited up for Dave's cousin to join him
and we were off for the trails.  My friend Ed came along in his Ford pickup
(mainly because he has a winch) and Dave wasted no time in zinging Ed for
owning a Ford.
    "'bout ripped off the rear cross member pulling a Ford out of the mud
awhile ago ;)".  On we went to the first obstacle, a wood pile to crawl on.
All did good, even the Ford.  We did mostly the main trails but, tons of
off shoots to explore.  Next was the baby-head size rock downhill, with a
small 's' bend in the middle.  No problem going down, then Dave suggested
we try to climb back up!  I tried first in the zebra.  Second, low box, and
some good throttle and I was at the top.  Then the Ford tried...  I also
own a Ford and I've heard 'Fix Or Repair Daily' many times but, I never
thought I'd write it!  The Ford blew out a locking hub, and he went home
early, too bad.  Then up came the Disco of Gary Schroder.  Good going 'till
the 's' bend and stopped.  Gary always seems like he gets stuck but, as
soon as I start walking toward him, that Disco comes on ahead.  Gary is the
smoothest driver I've ever seen.  And with street tires!  Amazing.
     Well, back to the other side of the mountain for another downhill of
baby head rocks, and I get high centered trying a steeper line off the
trail.  Sitting on my rebuilt cross member, and my loose, loud, leaky
exhaust system, I'm in need of some assistance.  Probably too many
rock/exhaust meetings, the header and glasspack muffler don't help much in
the muffling area.  It's Bill to the rescue in the other SIII (and the
suprise pto winch) and as he is getting turned around, breaks a left front
u-bolt.  Out with the high-lift to get Bill unstuck, then the winch cable
is put on my rear cross member.  This helped a little, the pressure relief
valve was popping too soon and thus, not winching to full pulling power.
But, with the winch, my high-lift, and some rock placement, we got the
zebra unstuck.  Onto a new bush-wacking trail and Bill is out of sight.
Somehow the plate that is usually below the spring pack was now between the
axle and the springs, from the broken u-bolt, I'm sure.  Ok, now we need a
beer...or three.  Eventually we wrapped the winch cable around the spring,
axle, and plate three times and Bil gets the truck back to Dave's garage.
Some new u-bolts from Advanced Auto, and some customizing of the bottom
plate, and Bill was ready for the trip home.
     We all went out to dinner, (thanks Bill!) said some good-bys and
parted company.  All in all, a very enjoyable day.  The land we were on
could become a off-road vehicle park with a fee of $35 for all day, plenty
of hotels around if you don't camp, and a host that will be very
entertaining.  I heard mention that if you show up in a Land Rover product,
there's no fee...  Contact Dave Wells from on this list, he reads it, and
go to Altoona for some 'wheeling!  I'll be there again in the spring for
some more abuse!

  Thanks again Dave, had a great time!!

   Scott C. Wickham Jr.
     Pittsburgh, Pa.
     1972 Ser III
     Zebra truck
     

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From: urbncby@sgi.net (Scott C. Wickham Jr.)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 01:26:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: My Apology

> I for one am truly mortified by our less than
>compassionate handling of this affair. Yes, yes I am ......... now where the
>hell did I put my beer down?

  Maybe it was because some (most) of us have the occasional adult beverage
whilst reading the list.  You alwasy see the 'real' person after they've
had a few.  Now, where did I put MY beer...

   Scott C. Wickham Jr.
     Pittsburgh, Pa.
     1972 Ser III
     Zebra truck
     

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From: "Andy Grafton" <andyg@sherco.co.za>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 08:01:30 +0200
Subject: Re: Defender station wagons

Adrian I can't give opinions on all your questions, but here are 
those that I can...

> How comfortable are the second row of seats? 

I found the rear seats to be remarkably comfortable on long trips; 
they don't look like much, but are firm and supportive.  Then again, 
you should be suspicious of this because I find the foam block 
seats in the front of a SIII to be the most comfortable of all the 
Rovers I've been in.

> Can these be replaced with seats similar to the front seats? 

Yes they can; I have seen it done.  The seats used were from an 
aged VW combi (maybe you can use yours for spare parts...?!)

>Is there room to move the second row
> of seats back an inch or two

If memory serves, the boxes that form the rear wheel arches pretty 
much push against the seat backs.  If you raise the seat base 
above the box, there is no headroom.  I should think that the boxes 
could be modified backwards a bit, though...

> How reliable is the 300 tdi motor? Is is easy to work on if I want 
do do my own routine repairs and maintenance?

I have not worked on one but the opinions I have heard have all 
been incredibly good.

If you are buying new, you may get a TD5?  If you order a Defender 
here now, the TD5 seems to be the only choice, except on the 
Station Wagon where you can get the choice of a scary 6 cylinder 
2.8 petrol.

> Why hasn't LR discovered the beuty of the fully galvanised 
chassis yet?

See below.

> What are the standard or recommended wheel rims / tyres for these
> creatures?

The rims are definitely 16" diameter and I think the latest ones 
(with lots of round holes around the circumference) are 6.5" wide.  
I'm not sure.  Tyres over here are 238 85 R 16 or 7.50 R 16 
depending on what make you choose.

> Is permanent 4WD better/different to Series 2/4 wheel drive? How?

IMO, definitely.  More complex mechanically with the centre diff 
and all, but the on-road handling, particularly in adverse conditions, 
is (to my tastes) superior.  Sharing the power load to both axles is 
a good way to reduce wear (or wear both out, depending on your 
viewpoint...) and stress.  Off the road (diff locked) it's just the same.

How...?  A tough one.  When cornering fast on a slightly slippy 
roundabout with a 109, I could push the accelerator and the car 
would tend to swing the back out; I steered with slightly less lock 
and the car would drift slightly all the way around.  With a 110, I 
push the accelerator and keep the same lock or put slightly more 
on; the whole vehicle seems to drift evenly, pulling itself into the 
bend and seeming to grip a lot better...  Don't know how else to 
describe it. 

> Do defenders corrode just as much as their predecessors? (I have already

Worse.  The steel capping strips that used to be galvanised on 
older Defenders are now merely painted, and rust quickly.  Other 
parts seem less well finished.  The chassis I have seen seem to rot 
about the same, but they're only painted... Grumbe grumble 
grumble.  If you order it far enough ahead, is there not an option of 
a galvanised chassis?

> and a pile of film gear perform in comparison to say a VW
> transporter/Caravelle or an Astra or Espace minibus? I am thinking of
> long haul motorway driving.

Noisier (tyres, engine, wind), lower comfortable cruising speed, 
probably higher cost in terms of Kroner per Km - tyres, wear, 
servicing costs.  Less apparent room inside than a 
caravelle/transporter, but a comfortable ride.  Can't comment on the 
Astra or Espace.
I found the 110 very easy to drive all day long on uncluttered 
freeways in good weather, but in the wind with a roofrack things get 
a bit drifty.  I found towing a trailer less easy than with a leaf 
sprung vehicle.
Can't comment on shitty weather performance in terms of comfort 
(rain, snow, sleet, low temperatures), but they must be drafty 
because dust gets in all over the place on long hauls over dirt.

Hope this helps;  it's only opinion based on a few trips in 110s.

All the best,

Andy
andyg@sherco.co.za, '79RR

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:45:32 -0700
Subject: new list

I see someone is starting a new list. He didn't know about this one, so
I told him. If anybody wants to check it out, it is at
http://www.landy.nu/landy.html
I am not trying to get any one to leave this list, just informing about
the other one. The site looks good so far.
-- 
Jim Hall
Elephant Chaser 1966 88" truck cab
http://www.users.uswest.net/~jimfoo/

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:07:08 +1100
Subject: Nigel's Disorder

Adrian Redmond wrote of:

>or even TD (Terminal DisLUCASy)

Err, shouldn't that be TDi (Terminal DisLUCASi) ?

Ron

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:12:13 +0200
Subject: Re: A question about tire size

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
> Peter I think the answer lays more in the question of how much power your
> engine can transmit to your axles and the condition of your drive train.

On this subject: My friend has 33X12.5R15 BFG Mud Terrain tyres on his
standard Rover 3.54:1 diffs, driven through a SIIa box by a Chev 4.1
with a 4 port Holley, banana branch and freeflow exhaust. Considering,
also, the way he drives, I have spent hours wondering about why he
doesn't twist sideshafts off every time he pulls awayfrom a traffic
light. He has been driving his vehicle in this configuration for about 5
years now, without ever making a sacrifice to the sideshaft gods. Why is
life so unfair?

Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za

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From: "Andy Grafton" <andyg@sherco.co.za>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:57:58 +0200
Subject: Re: A question about tire size

> light. He has been driving his vehicle in this configuration for about 5
# years now, without ever making a sacrifice to the sideshaft gods. Why is
> life so unfair?

Paul perhaps the higher gearing means he slips the clutch that 
little bit more and the peak loads on acceleration/takeoff are less?

All the best,

Andy

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From: Ketil Kirkerud Elgethun <ketilk@a.sol.no>
Date: 25 Feb 1999 11:30:13 +0100
Subject: Re: Defender station wagons

Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk> writes:

> Due to some interesting loophole in the Danish tax system, film
> companies, along with schools, handicap organisations and rock
> orchestras are able to buy new vehicles which are classified as busses
> without paying the otherwise exhorbitant import duties.

I'm considering doing the same - in Norway anyone (as long as they are 
licenced to drive it) can buy a vehicle classified as a "minibus", which
a Defender 110 can be forced to be accepted as. However, we are _not_
allowed to remove seats - if you do, and get caught, you'll have to pay
(at least) the tax difference between a normal 110 and the minibus 110. 
(= a _lot_ of money). (basically: 110" = 260.000 NOK, as commercial
vehicle. 272.000NOK as minibus, > 400.000NOK as standard car).

> Before leaping head first into a splinter new 300Tdi Defender SW,

Shurely you mean Td5 ? They haven't sold anything but Td5s for at least
4 months in this country.

> How comfortable are the second row of seats?

Reasonably - i once borrowed a set of 2nd row seats from a 110 for my 109 -
they were quite OK.

> Can these be replaced with
> seats similar to the front seats?

I think Trakkers (they have ads in LRO) make high back 2nd row seats.

> Is there room to move the second row
> of seats back an inch or two (I will be removing the rear bench seats to
> make room for a equipment compartment for my film gear) thus giving a
> little more leg room.

Trakkers, again, (iirc) make some kind of adapotr/mounting kit to move the
2nd row up and back a couple of inches.
> How reliable is the 300 tdi motor? Is is easy to work on if I want do do
> my own routine repairs and maintenance?
> make room for a equipment compartment for my film gear) thus giving a

If you were to buy a new Defender now, you'd probably end up with the Td5 
(aka "Storm") - as this is a completely new engine, nobody knows 
how reliable it is.

-- 
---Ketil Kirkerud Elgethun
   1979 109" SW (daily driver)
   1969 109" PU (project)
   1971 88" (parts car)
   1999 110" (hopefully)

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:08:24 +0200
Subject: Re: A question about tire size

Andy Grafton wrote:
> Paul perhaps the higher gearing means he slips the clutch that
> little bit more and the peak loads on acceleration/takeoff are less?

He hasn't killed a clutch yet either. The mystery deepens...
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za

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