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From: "M. Tompkins" <mmglass@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:52:27 -0500
Subject: Welcome back!

Frank Elson wrote:

> Well, I'm back in the virtual pub and am I thirsty.

Glad to have you back Frank. Sounds like you missed us as much as
we missed you. Let me be one of the first to get you a pint and since
I recently opened a bottle of Glenrothes, pour you some.

Heard that the computer is the least reliable appliance. They are certainly
harder to fix than a Land Rover and a lot less fun too.

Oh, your seat at the bar is still reserved; or do you hang out near the
dart board?

Cheers,
Mike
'66 109" Hybrid Coiler SW
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Trails/6623/
http://pw1.netcom.com/~mmglass/index.html
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/8365/index.html

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From: "Michael Wells" <mwells11@rjt.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:50:03 -0000
Subject: Fuel Additive

I am a distributor for Amway in the UK. Does anyone have any long term use
data on the additive they produce. I am very interested as independent
evidence about valve regression and fuel economy as my land rover *86" has
just started using it.

Mick Wells.

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From: Ralph N Bradt <rnbradt@earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:07:12 MST
Subject: Sailing Across the Plains

Heading out tonight from Denver across Kansas (the most boring drive in the
world, I believe) to Lawrence for a week's visit to the old hometown. My intent 
is
to be perched on a barstool at the Free State Brewery Sunday evening with an
Imperial Stout in hand. Optimistic? Perhaps, considering what I'm driving.
However, I did make the same trip numerous times uneventfully back in the late
'70s when I had my '71 IIa, once even running in front wheel drive after 
breaking
a halfshaft just prior to departure. Now, I should be older and wiser. Older by
some 20 years, but wiser? I'm back to driving an old Land Rover. You decide. 

Anyway, I'd love to share a couple beers and engage in the usual ranting and
raving if anybody else on the list is in the vicinity. I did meet a few folks 
from KC
at the Steamboat Rally last summer. Don't know exactly where I'll be staying,
but I will drag the old laptop along. Drop me a note. 

Ralph Bradt
1970 Series IIa 88

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From: Kirk Hillman <kdhillman@home.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:50:09 -0700
Subject: Military cold weather training

    I would like to find out more about the training facility in
northern Alberta, Canada, where some countries send there troops for
cold weather training.  Would someone fill me in?  It seems I am only
hours away from many military LR products and I am missing out.  I don't
want to miss out any more...

Kirk
and 'The Banshee Hillman'

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:43:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Military cold weather training

Kirk Hillman wrote:
>     I would like to find out more about the training facility in
> northern Alberta, Canada, where some countries send there troops for
> cold weather training.  Would someone fill me in?  It seems I am only
> hours away from many military LR products and I am missing out.  I don't
> want to miss out any more...
> Kirk
> and 'The Banshee Hillman'

This takes place at Suffield (sp?) just north of Medicine Hat.
You may not get a great welcome.
John and Muddy

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:29:33 +0200
Subject: Re: dependancy

Frank Elson wrote:
> Hi Honey I'm home,
> Well, I'm back in the virtual pub and am I thirsty.
> I do not EVER want to hear/read the word  "Computer" again but I need to
> read about LRs on the list.
> In the past fortnight I've realised that I'm a Land Rover junkie. Just
> owning and driving one isn't enough, I need to be fed regular emails about
> 'em as well.........

You're a sick man Frank...
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za

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From: Kirk Hillman <kdhillman@home.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:06:29 -0700
Subject: MOD defenders

In my search for information about training facilities I came across
this page.

http://www.army.mod.uk/army/equip/index.htm

"Half the fleet will be replaced by a military high specification
vehicle, similar in appearance and produced by Land Rover, which will
enter service from 1997."

    What do they mean when they say 'military high specification
vehicle'?  Are they actually in service yet?

Kirk Hillman
and 'The Banshee Hillman"

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:18:41 -0000
Subject: Re: Welcome back!

>>>>>your seat at the bar is still reserved; or do you hang out near the
dart board?<<<<<

have to sit down at my age, and as for darts, with my eyesight???

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+            
     I !__|  [_]|_\___   
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV 
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:28:48 -0000
Subject: Re: MOD defenders

 >>>>>   What do they mean when they say 'military high specification
vehicle'?  Are they actually in service yet?<<<<<
they mean the Wolf, and yes, in that order.
this will be worth getting hold of when they're demobbed despite what an MP
said last year (after being wound up summat horrible by squaddies)

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:26:45 -0000
Subject: Re: dependancy

<<<<<You're a sick man Frank...>>>>>>
thanks Paul, I needed that reassurance

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+            
     I !__|  [_]|_\___   
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV 
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "James G.Wolf" <elvenwood@whro.net>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:49:33 -0500
Subject: RE: Waxoyl

The method I use is a metal garden sprayer. I first heat up the waxy goo.
Then I use a large(5 gal.) plastic bucket which is filled with HOT water
and the water is kept HOT. I then put the filled garden sprayer into this
hot water bath and start spraying. I am ordering the spray set from J.C.
Whitney,I hope my system will work with these sprayers.

Jim Wolf

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From: Jarvis64@aol.com
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:37:31 EST
Subject: Re: Sailing Across the Plains

Ralph, 
Will you be vic. Lawrence for a whole week?  If so, the Flatland Rovers club
is getting together next saturday (the 20th) for a meeting.  Want to come?
I'll be there.

Bill Rice

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:51:40 EST
Subject: Re: Some of the most fun I've had with my clothes on:

In a message dated 99-03-12 04:42:44 EST, you write:

<< .Thanks, but I think I'll stick to Spectres!
 
 Charles
 a properly aimed RPG can ruin your whole day
  >>
When I was in Viet Nam (Now there is a famous phrase.) the Spectres were still
in prototype and there were three squadrons of AC119s on base (Phan Rang). I
guess they were an advance over the AC47s for load capacity but of course
nothing like a Herc. I don't remember the squadron numbers but their nicknames
were Shadow, Stinger and Black Dragon (VNAF).

Bill Lawrence
Albq, NM 

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:54:28 EST
Subject: Re: Waxoyl applicator

In a message dated 99-03-12 07:52:20 EST, you write:

 With all this talk again about Waxoyl, guess I need to flog some surplus.
 Have some extra tins of both "regular" and Black Waxoyl available for sale.
 Please e-mail me direct.
 
 Thanks!
 
 Larry Smith
 Chester, VA >>
In New Mexico all it would do is add weight and collect dust.

Bill (GLOAT) Lawrence

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:02:11 EST
Subject: Re: Slowest paint job on record

In a message dated 99-03-12 09:57:37 EST, you write:

<< complain too loudly.
 I WANNA DRIVE MY ROVER THIS SUMMER !!!!!
 Rgds
 Steve Bradke '68 lla in pieces and half naked
   >>
No excuses, you have to realize that paint on a Landie is strictly optional.

Bill Lawrence

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:11:22 -1000
Subject: Re: Slowest paint job on record

><< complain too loudly.
> I WANNA DRIVE MY ROVER THIS SUMMER !!!!!

>No excuses, you have to realize that paint on a Landie is strictly
optional.
>No excuses, you have to realize that paint on a Landie is strictly
Speaking of which, aren't the doors, windscreen and roof optional also?
Maybe even the rear tub?
'Me thinks he dost rpotest too much'
Pete<---- who has a great excuse  "Frames ARE optional"

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From: MGORGUS@aol.com
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:14:07 EST
Subject: Concerning Help needed Diesel Engine Starting trouble

Starting problem with my 109 Station Diesel. 
After the trouble with cold weather and thick diesel I htought I  got the
problem sorted with bleeding the system a set of new heater plugs, fresh
winter diesel in the tank and a brand new battery.
After the treatment the engine started without troble. I started it twice last
weekend, moved it on the parking lot, left the engine running for about 15
minutes, no trouble so far.
Today I started the engine which worked fine. Moved the car in front of the
house to check brakes. Later in trhe afternoon I attempted to start the LR and
I had the same as weeks ago. The engine starts for a quick run and stops.
After a second attemt it starts for a shorter time and stops. Then the engine
is just turning but nothing happens. I stopped for two hours  taking the kids
to bed and tried to start again. Nothing except a short run fo the engine for
about two seconds.
I was bleeding the system again, no air in it. Diesel also seems getting
through the system as  was bleeding the diesel filter and both outlets at the
injection pump. 
Anybody out there with an idea what the problem could be?

Manfred

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:33:38 EST
Subject: Re: Fiat

In a message dated 99-03-12 20:22:06 EST, you write:

 >1980 Fiat 2000 Spider (Fuel injected)
 >1981 Fiat 2000 Spider (Dual carbs)
 	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 6 lines)]
 >1981 Fiat X 1/9       (Fuel injected)
 >1994 Jeep Wrangler    (2.5 liter)
 
 how did you get on this list? >>
Yes we are definitely going to have to speak with the Maitre D.

Bill lawrence

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:39:08 EST
Subject: Re: dependancy

In a message dated 99-03-13 05:08:26 EST, you write:

 Hi Honey I'm home,
 Well, I'm back in the virtual pub and am I thirsty.
 I do not EVER want to hear/read the word  "Computer" again but I need to
 read about LRs on the list.
 In the past fortnight I've realised that I'm a Land Rover junkie. Just
 owning and driving one isn't enough, I need to be fed regular emails about
 'em as well.........
 
 Best Cheers
 
 Frank >>
Frank, you are one sick puppy. Welcome home.

Bill Lawrence

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From: Clinton Coates <ccoates@GOLDER.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:26:00 -0800
Subject: waxoyl applicators

The method I use is a metal garden sprayer. I first heat up the waxy goo.
Then I use a large(5 gal.) plastic bucket which is filled with HOT water
and the water is kept HOT. I then put the filled garden sprayer into this
hot water bath and start spraying. I am ordering the spray set from J.C.
Whitney,I hope my system will work with these sprayers.

     Questions.  The metal garden sprayer, this is the pump up kind?  Does 
     the sprayer give enough pressure to give a decent spray pattern when 
     the waxoyl is good and toasty warm?  The ones I have seen have about a 
     12-18" wand with a plastic adjustable nozzle on the end.  I have also 
     seen extra wands that look like they would allow a longer extention.  
     The better ones look like they are much more skookum than the cheesy 
     finnegan's setup.
     
     Let us know how the JCW spray set works.  They are about 40 bucks, 
     aren't they?
     
     Clinton

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From: "oldhaven" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:30:29 -0500
Subject: Warn Hubs

A couple of quick questions please.

I am putting a set of used Warn HD hubs on the 71 IIA ex-MoD, and 
came up with some problems.  The hubs use longer bolts than the drive 
flanges.  Can I assume these are 3/8 BSF?  They look like something in 
between 3/8-16 and 3/8-24, so I am guessing 3/8-20 BSF, and will have 
to call around for some 3 inches long.  Why do I always find these things 
out on a Sat afternoon?  If I can't find them at the usual places is there a 
specialty British fastener place that does mail order?

Second, the hubs do not quite fit since the tip of the axle has a small 1/4 
inch long protrusion with a center drilled in it beyond the thread.  I am 
going to cut this off, but has anyone else run into this when fitting Warn 
hubs?  The protrusion holds the outside part of the hub away by 3/16 of 
an inch.  Seems a bit odd and I haven't noticed this before on other 
axles, so it may be a HD axle thing, as this is a reinforced 3/4 ton axle, 
though not a Salisbury.

Thanks,
Ron Franklin
oldhaven@gwi.net
Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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From: Kirk Hillman <kdhillman@home.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:50:08 -0700
Subject: Thermostat

Does anyone have part numbers for a readily available replacement
thermostat for the 2.25 L petrol?  I would like to find one to
temporarily replace the existing one until I can get the proper one in.
NAPA, Canadian Tire?

Thanks,
Kirk

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 05:44:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Military cold weather training

There are two bases in Alberta.. Wainwright east of Edmonton is an infantry
training facility which is the venue for joint exercises. The southern base
is Ralston/Suffield ( 20 minutes west of Medicine Hat) which is used by the
Brits as a tank training range. There are about 200 Land Rovers on the base.
Do not think for one moment you can contact them about surplus equipment.
This is a Canadian base and any disposals are through the Canadian forces
who then process the sales through Crown Assets Disposal Corporation.. The
modus operandi for vehicles is for damaged units to be taken from the range
to the service compound on the base where they remain and are slowly
canibalised by the service squaddies until there is not much left. After the
compound fills up they dispose of the scrap which used to be the local
dealer until a few years ago, but this is not now the case . I do not know
who gets the remains these days, but believe me you would not believe the
state of some of the stuff that is cast out. How they manage to pretzel the
vehicles  that badly is something I would like to see. In Manitoba there is
a base called Shilo which is a tank training base for the German Army (think
Unimog) .
Dave Lowe.

Kirk Hillman wrote:

>     I would like to find out more about the training facility in
> northern Alberta, Canada, where some countries send there troops for
> cold weather training.  Would someone fill me in?  It seems I am only
> hours away from many military LR products and I am missing out.  I don't
> want to miss out any more...
> Kirk
> and 'The Banshee Hillman'

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:10:03 EST
Subject: Re: Warn Hubs

In a message dated 3/13/99 5:28:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com writes:

<< If I can't find them at the usual places is there a 
 specialty British fastener place that does mail order?
  >>

British Metrics.  Located in Westminster MD. They have a 800 number, but I
don't have it handy.  Check the archives from about October 98.  I posted all
that stuff back then.

Nate

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:17:12 -1000
Subject: Re: Some of the most fun I've had with my clothes on:

><< .Thanks, but I think I'll stick to Spectres!

Spectres, Warthogs, Snakes, Apaches, I love em all.  Well, when I am the one
they are talking to on the radio.

Nothing like being about 10k's from the nearest friendly ground unit with a
4 man recon team armed with M16's and a radio ( sure woulda been sweet to
have a couple a pinkpanthers<--- look content right there).  Go in D-18hrs
to establish the battalion LZ (yeah I know 4 men, they musta been crazy).
About 6 am we are compramised by a 2+ squad sized element of the bad guys
walking right towards us accross the field.  Informed higher about
situation.  Popped smoke and started to break contact.  Higher is telling me
to stand by, all of a sudden new voice on the radio asking our location,
second later 2 Cobras fly over head.  Bad guys are just about at our
original location.  "See the smoke....that aint us".  Couldn't have planned
it better.

OK, ok, so it all took place during a training exercise, and worse thing
that woulda happened would be my MILES starts ringing.

Have had a chance to for fire fire from A-10's and Cobras on some ranges.
Those A-10's can really rip open the ole M48/60 series vehicles.

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From: Steve West-Fisher <steve@coastaldatasystems.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:15:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Solex questions

I can generally find my way around an SU but this Solex is a bit different.

Somehow I don't think there is supposed to be the occasional squirt of gas from
the top of the emulsion tube holder. Am I right about that? If so, what can
cause that to happen? The holder also seems to just spin around when I
tighten the correction jet. I've played around with bending the float a little,
thinking that the fuel level was to high, but that didn't really make any
difference. If this is the problem, I cannot find what the height is supposed
to be, so if someone could let me know, that might solve the problem.

This rover had been sitting for a very long time with a Weber on it. I found
the Solex in the back in a pile of assorted parts. After putting an overhaul
kit in it, I found out why the PO had replaced it -- crack right where the
banjo screwed in.

Got on the phone to Rovers North, and they sent me a top cover. There was one
small difference between the old cover and the new cover. The old cover had a
small tube which had one end in the fuel bowl and the other end sticking down
in the choke tube for a vent. The new cover from RN did not have this tube,
although it is the same casting. Could this be the problem? If it is, I could
drill the new cover and put the tube in, but I had assumed it might not be
necessary.

E-Mail: Steve West-Fisher <steve@coastaldatasystems.com>
Date: 13-Mar-99
Time: 17:53:00

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:47:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Solex questions

Steve West-Fisher wrote:
> I can generally find my way around an SU but this Solex is a bit different.
> Somehow I don't think there is supposed to be the occasional squirt of gas 
from
> the top of the emulsion tube holder. Am I right about that? If so, what can
> cause that to happen? The holder also seems to just spin around when I
> tighten the correction jet. I've played around with bending the float a 
little,
> thinking that the fuel level was to high, but that didn't really make any
> difference. If this is the problem, I cannot find what the height is supposed
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> drill the new cover and put the tube in, but I had assumed it might not be
> necessary.

You are supposed to get a squirt of gas when the throttle is opened. 
This comes from the throttle pump and if it doesn't happen or is too
little there will be a flat spot in acceleration 
John and Muddy

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:35:11 -1000
Subject: Re: Warn Hubs, another ?

Am I right in believing that there are a couple of types of hubs for the LR?
I think Fairey and Warn?

I have instructions somewhere on how to rebuild the hubs, talking about some
plastic key/retainer or something.  With other Warn hubs I have owned, there
was no plastic, things were very simple to take apart.
I have not disassembled my front axle yet, but am curious, are the Warn hubs
on my Rover going to be like the ones I had on my Scout and Jeep?  If so are
the internals the same?  I should be able to find parts at a local NAPA if
this is the case.
Mahalo
Pete

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From: Charles Irvin <cirvin1258@juno.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:11:24 -0800
Subject: Re: Some of the most fun I've had with my clothes on:

On Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:17:12 -1000 "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
writes:
>Nothing like being about 10k's from the nearest friendly ground unit 
>with a
>4 man recon team armed with M16's and a radio ( sure woulda been sweet 
>to
>have a couple a pinkpanthers<--- look content right there).  Go in 
>D-18hrs
>to establish the battalion LZ (yeah I know 4 men, they musta been 
>crazy).

They probably theorized a '130 having dropped a Grand Slam first, then
you go in and lay down markers for the choppers to come in.

  Higher is 
>telling me
>to stand by, all of a sudden new voice on the radio asking our 
>location,
>second later 2 Cobras fly over head.  Bad guys are just about at our
>original location.  "See the smoke....that aint us".  Couldn't have 
>planned
>it better.

Been there, done that...kinda eerie having that second, very calm voice
on the radio, huh?

>Have had a chance to for fire fire from A-10's and Cobras on some 
>ranges.
>Those A-10's can really rip open the ole M48/60 series vehicles.

Don't know if you've seen it, but those A-10's can turn on a dime, and go
from 400+mph down to about 80, in nothing flat! Awsome planes.

Charles

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From: Charles Irvin <cirvin1258@juno.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:02:56 -0800
Subject: Re: Some of the most fun I've had with my clothes on:

On Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:51:40 EST DNDANGER@aol.com writes:
>When I was in Viet Nam (Now there is a famous phrase.) the Spectres 
>were still
>in prototype and there were three squadrons of AC119s on base (Phan 
>Rang). I
>guess they were an advance over the AC47s for load capacity but of 
>course
>nothing like a Herc. I don't remember the squadron numbers but their 
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>nicknames
>were Shadow, Stinger and Black Dragon (VNAF).

If my history lessons serve me well (I wasn't there), we're really
talking about Operation Farmgate, aren't we? (no longer classified, and
it makes for VERY interesting reading). These units were part of an
operation to raise hell on the Ho Chi Minh trail: it worked until the
politicians got involved.

We handed the planes over to the VNAF when we got the word to stop (well,
the planes always belonged to the VNAF, but we flew them!). They operated
Spookeys, and Shadows (AC-47's, and AC-119's), along with some pretty
tricked-out A-26's, and AD-5's. The A-26's by the way, were completely
rebuilt by Douglas! Yes - there were 3 squadrons, and they operated out
of Phan Rang, Tanh San Hut (sp) Thialand, and also, a base in Laos! Rumor
has it (sorry - it's still classified, and I don't have access) that
Blackbirds supplied intel, but it's hard to say, since you still had
U-2's, RF-4's and the odd RB-36 lurking about...must have been a very
crowded airspace!

After the operation was closed, the Spectre units were repositioned to
protection of ground troops (and their Mighty-Mites, and Land Rovers -
content) I've read that they actually supplied cover fire to friendlies,
within 3 metres - sometimes less, from 12,000 feet - AT NIGHT!

I personally haven't supplied cover fire to that close of a range (9
metres is usually the limit. Now, I've never had the joy of being a foot
soldier, but I would venture to say that even that was a bit close?), but
that must have made one helluva racket for the 'pounders! One sneeze from
the PIC, and it's all over! (early Spectres had their weapon sight
mounted in the L.H. cockpit window - the PIC orbited left, looked through
the sight, lined up crosshairs, and let 'em rip - the CP maintained
altitude/course as required.

Bummer - I wasn't even there, and it's the only bedtime story that I'm
allowed to tell, except for the "sort of" official story of how a Spectre
disintegrated "General" Muhammad Farrah Aidid's house from around him,
while he was eating Sunday Brunch! (they were warning shots, and they did
get his attention!) They didn't even scratch the adjacent homes. The
attack was an unofficial response to the downing of two Blackhawks - one
being a Medivac. I'll spare everybody of the details as to the crews.

Unfortunately - these birds do go down on occasion - the film 'Navy
Seals" was unoficially based on events surrounding an incident during the
Gulf War, in which I lost a few buddies in a Spectre, that was downed
from an Iraqi-held offshore oil platform: the weapon they used - a U.S.
made Stinger. Military logic being what it was, the PIC was partially to
blame for the incident, as he was still providing cover fire after
sunrise, and he had no EC-130, or PaveLow escort.

Downside of a Spectre - they are big, slow, targets.

But, you can squeeze 101's through the rear door!

Charles

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:39:21 EST
Subject: Re: Some of the most fun I've had with my clothes on:

In a message dated 99-03-13 22:16:33 EST, you write:

 We handed the planes over to the VNAF when we got the word to stop (well,
 the planes always belonged to the VNAF, but we flew them!). They operated
 Spookeys, and Shadows (AC-47's, and AC-119's), along with some pretty
 tricked-out A-26's, and AD-5's. The A-26's by the way, were completely
 rebuilt by Douglas! Yes - there were 3 squadrons, and they operated out
 of Phan Rang, Tanh San Hut (sp) Thialand,

Tan Son Nhut was outside Saigon. The hottest, dampest place i've ever been.

 and also, a base in Laos! Rumor
 has it (sorry - it's still classified, and I don't have access) that
 Blackbirds supplied intel, but it's hard to say, since you still had
 U-2's, RF-4's and the odd RB-36 

Probably mean RB-66s, I dont think any B-36s escaped the scrap pile.

lurking about...must have been a very
 crowded airspace!
  >>
I rememer the PsyOps 0-2 taking off from Phan Rang with it's massive stereo
system blasting the "Fish Cheer". And every Wednesday morning at precisely
0600 a C-123 "Skeeter bomber" would go over the billets at about 200'. Thats
what I call close air support.

Bill Lawrence
Albq, NM

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:53:25 EST
Subject: Re: Solex questions

In a message dated 99-03-13 18:24:16 EST, you write:

 Somehow I don't think there is supposed to be the occasional squirt of gas
from
 the top of the emulsion tube holder. Am I right about that? If so, what can
 cause that to happen? The holder also seems to just spin around when I
 tighten the correction jet. I've played around with bending the float a
little,
 thinking that the fuel level was to high, but that didn't really make any
 difference. If this is the problem, I cannot find what the height is supposed
 to be, so if someone could let me know, that might solve the problem.
  >>
You're right, there shouldn't be any fuel coming out of the emulsion tube. I
think this might indicate a leaky needle valve. And the emulsion tube holder
should be rigid in the carb base. It is cast as a separate piece and then
mated with the base by means of a brass swaged fitting. You might be able to
repair it with epoxy or JB weld. I don't think the float level was adjustable,
at least I've never seen a spec. for it.  As for the small opening between the
float bowl and the venturi I think that is an overflow passage. If it is no
longer open that might explain why you are getting fuel out the emulsion tube.

Bill Lawrence
Albq, NM

Bill Lawrence
Albq, NM 

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From: Charles Irvin <cirvin1258@juno.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:31:08 -0800
Subject: Re: Some of the most fun I've had with my clothes on:

On Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:39:21 EST DNDANGER@aol.com writes:

Tan Son Nhut was outside Saigon. The hottest, dampest place i've ever 
been.

...I guess I slept a bit during history class: I meant Ubon RTAFB,
Thailand...in 1968, there were AC and EC-47's stationed at Nha Trang AB
under the 14th ACW, along with (records are not very clear for then
obvious reasons) "the C-130" -- record does state that the 16th SOS was
activated under the umbrella of the 14th ACW (now SOW) in '68, and they
did operate the AC-130A, but that they operated out of Ubon. Damn CIA
types...

>Probably mean RB-66s, I dont think any B-36s escaped the scrap pile.

Nope - The big, bad, B-36 wasn't dead yet! By this time, Livermore had
just finished up experimenting with a "nuclear powered" B-36! They never
used the reactor to run the engines, though they did fire it up in
flight. It would have worked, but the lead shielding made an already
heavy-ass plane heavier! (...wonder where/how they disposed of the
plane???) There were several recon units that flew RB-36's with the
largest known airborne cameras installed in the bomb bay!

The last two that I knew of, were bought surplus out of Davis-Monthan AFB
circa 1971: everything was okay, until the DOD discovered that the new
owners were piecing them back together! The planes were confiscated (hell
- can't have privately-owned intercontinental nuclear-capable bombers in
the middle of a cold war, can we?), and then destroyed. Oh well, another
piece of history down the drain...

But alas, all is not lost: for the C-99 is still in existance! For those
who've never heard of it, the C-99 was a cargo version of the B-36: it
also had a double-height fuselage! It was used extensively throughout the
Korean war, and I believe the early stages of Vietnam also, for ferrying
over replacement aircraft engines...even set a cargo record.

For content - just imagine how many Land Rovers you could fit into one of
those things! 50? 60? 100? (stacked, of course) The plane is located in
Texas, and of course, I can't remember the name of the base it's sitting
in, BUT - it's at the base that was across the street from the Convair
factory that built the B-36's (the C-99 was originally from the plant in
San Diego - I recall both cities fought over that claim).

>I rememer the PsyOps 0-2 taking off from Phan Rang with it's massive 
>stereo
>system blasting the "Fish Cheer".

Did you know - the FBI still uses that! It was one of many top-40 songs
blasted into the air in Waco.

Charles

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:52:16 -1000
Subject: Re: Some of the most fun I've had with my clothes on:

>Don't know if you've seen it, but those A-10's can turn on a dime, and go
>from 400+mph down to about 80, in nothing flat! Awsome planes.

Ohhh yeah.
When I was in Europe, there was still and east and west germany.  Our AO was
in the Fulda gap to support the 11 ARC.  Was kinda scary sometimes to see
just how close the warthogs got to the 1k zone.
I remeber onetime, a buddy and I were way up on this ridge in an LP/OP.  A
pair of A-10's were down in the valley "playing tag" or something.  Like you
said, full bore and then they would seem to stop in mid air, turn and dive
on a target.  Same field problem, same spot, probably same two planes,
anyway they laid waste to two platoons of m-1's rolling up the valley.
Don't know if the planes actually had miles transmitters or if it was the
graders with the god guns, but in no time at all, all 8 lights were going
off.  Unfortunately the M-1's were blue force  :-(

Haha
Pete

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:05:39 -1000
Subject: Re: Some of the most fun I've had with my clothes on:

>After the operation was closed, the Spectre units were repositioned to
>protection of ground troops (and their Mighty-Mites, and Land Rovers -
>content) I've read that they actually supplied cover fire to friendlies,
>within 3 metres - sometimes less, from 12,000 feet - AT NIGHT!
>I personally haven't supplied cover fire to that close of a range (9
>metres is usually the limit. Now, I've never had the joy of being a foot
>soldier, but I would venture to say that even that was a bit close?), but
>that must have made one helluva racket for the 'pounders!

A couple of good friends of mine were at Bat during Just Cause.  One of em
had the pleasure of having an Spectre on call.

>But, you can squeeze 101's through the rear door!
I just complete the AF Load Planners Course.  The guys teaching it were out
of Pt Huyeneme (sp) near Oxnard, CA.  Anyway, tryed to talk the guys into
letting me know the next time they were coming to the islands so I could get
a friend of mine in Ventura send me a pallet of parts for the Rover (HA, got
content again hehehehe).  They didn't quite go for it.

Pete

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:14:11 -1000
Subject: Re: Some of the most fun I've had with my clothes on:

>For content - just imagine how many Land Rovers you could fit into one of
>those things! 50? 60? 100? (stacked, of course) The plane is located in
>Texas

In one of my history rover books, there is a picture of the airportable
Rover stacked 3-4 high.  I was thinking, maybe get a C-5 for the wekend.
Take a hop to Heathrow and load up on ex MoD stuff.
Pete

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From: Mathias Babinsky <mmb@henhappl-babinsky.de>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:11:08 +0100
Subject: Re : Charge Light flickers

>Knowing next to nothing about pushing electrons, I have a 
>theory.  The idiot light is being used to excite the alternator 
>(probably have my terminology wrong there...) and requires a certain
amount of 
>resistance.

Does that mean, the idiot light is REQUIRED for the alternator to work ?
I have "alternator not charging" problems since I own my Landy (3 Months
now). I found that the cable that should run to the idiot light is not
connected to anything at all but I assumed this was a feature on
military land rovers ? (In software development we say "it's not a bug,
it's a feature"...) I didn't find anything I could connect the cable to,
so i left it alone... was I wrong ?

Mathias Babinsky
Freiburg, Germany
SIII 109 ex-army

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From: Charles Irvin <cirvin1258@juno.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 01:33:26 -0800
Subject: Re: Some of the most fun I've had with my clothes on:

On Sat, 13 Mar 1999 21:05:39 -1000 "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
writes:

>I just complete the AF Load Planners Course.  The guys teaching it 
>were out
>of Pt Huyeneme (sp) near Oxnard, CA.  Anyway, tryed to talk the guys 
>into
>letting me know the next time they were coming to the islands so I 
>could get
>a friend of mine in Ventura send me a pallet of parts for the Rover 
>(HA, got
>content again hehehehe).  They didn't quite go for it.

You mean to tell me, the 146thTAW is teaching load masters' school
now!?!?!?

That's the unit I was discharged through - back when they were still in
the rickety old hangars at Van Nuys Airport! They were a real laughing
stock, compared to most of the other Guard bases around the country.
Those hangars should have been condemmed 30 years ago (and probably
were!).

I'm sure none of the old crew are still there, but there was a time (the
"expansionist 80's"), when if you asked nicely...you'd be suprised at
what some of those planes farried around...

Charles
...I did kinda like those rickety old hangars: they had character...

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:25:26 +0200
Subject: Re: Re : Charge Light flickers

Mathias Babinsky wrote:
> Does that mean, the idiot light is REQUIRED for the alternator to work ?

Oh yes! The charge light is not considered to be an 'idiot light', it is
essential, the 'idiot lights' are those lights which idiots need to tell
them when to put in oil, when to dip their main beams, etc.

> it's a feature"...) I didn't find anything I could connect the cable to,
> so i left it alone... was I wrong ?

You need to connect it to the back of the alternator, otherwise the
alternator isn't going to be producing a charge. I'm shaky on the
technical details, I'm sure someone more capable than I will describe
the procedure...

Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za

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