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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:00:38 +0200
Subject: Re: Prices ! ! ! ! ! !

Dario Eduardo Marcoppido wrote:
> (petrol engine), because in my country (Argentina) could be worth up to =
> U$S 6,000.00 (Not a joke ! ! !).
> Can this vehicle be converted in a SW without passengers doors?, Can I =
> fit a diesel engine on it?

In South Africa you can pick up  Series II/IIa Truck Cab (official
Land-Roverese for pick-up) for about ZAR6000 (US$1000) in fair running
order.

As to the conversion: Yes, of course you can convert it to a 3 door (in
Land-Roverese this is a Hardtop), just bolt a roof and sides on. I would
venture to say that Land-Rovers have had just about any damn engine
dropped into them over the years (sometimes by Land-Rover themselves).

Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za

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From: Peter Goundry <peterg@aircast.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:39:23 -0500
Subject: 

<<Frank wrote: are we talking dollars here? Over here (UK) a rebuilt,
and I mean almost like new but completely legal,
mid 1960s Land Rover can be had for 7,000 UKPounds tops.>>

Personally Frank, I think it is a lot cheaper to bring in a quality
truck from England than purchase one here. One only has to look at some
of the trucks advertised on the web to realise you can get much better
value by importing. Most of the reputable dealers I have visited in
England will prepare a series truck to your specification and then ship
direct. This especially applies to the military dealers who seem to have
a good supply of low mileage vehicles. 

Peter Goundry
67 GS109 IIA, 73 Lightweight, 97 D90 #127

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:49:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Infinite Improbability Drive

Frank Elson wrote:
> >>>>Rover content:Q. Why are there no coffee cup holders in a Landie?
>                A  Because real Rover drivers drink TEA.<<<<
> but, more importantly, why are there no hooks in a Land Rover to hang the
> brown paper bag with the takeaway in, on?
> (Oh, forgot, you lot over there don't have handles on brown paper bags - so
> how do you carry your Indian/Chinese takeaway in a Land Rover?)

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> Best Cheers
> Frank

It's because we eat in an eating place and drive in a driving place,
with help of a little coffee.  
John and Muddy

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From: "david hope" <davidjhope@email.msn.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:39:35 -0600
Subject: Importing old Land Rovers from England

Peter Goudry wrote that it is cheaper to buy an old Land Rover from a a
reputable dealer in England who specializes in used military vehicles:

But how do you know the vehicle is any good?  Any recommendations for a
really reliable dealer?

Only the other day we were talking about the appalling condition of British
Army Land Rovers used in Canada - that are totally abused by the rank and
file soldiers.

David Hope

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 99 05:56:25 -0800
Subject: series washing machine

> I am sure you have
>laundered your smalls in a bag of soapy water as you drive.
>John and Muddy
;
That thought never occured to me.  So please describe your method in 
greater detail.

I just hand wash mine in one of my car's sinks and hang them to dry.  
Your method sounds more interesting.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@offroading.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:55:20 -0000
Subject: Re: Importing old Land Rovers from England

Military Vehicle Spares in Litchfield sold me an excellent 109". It was mint
(until I took it mud plugging!) - cannot fault them, new tyres, new full
tilt etc. and only £1600 UKP

Neil

SIII 109" 1978 2.25 Petrol

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@offroading.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:57:20 -0000
Subject: Re: Importing old Land Rovers from England

Er, that is Litchfield in the UK btw!

Neil

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:00:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Importing old Land Rovers from England

david hope wrote:
> Peter Goudry wrote that it is cheaper to buy an old Land Rover from a a
> reputable dealer in England who specializes in used military vehicles:
> But how do you know the vehicle is any good?  Any recommendations for a
> really reliable dealer?
> Only the other day we were talking about the appalling condition of British
> Army Land Rovers used in Canada - that are totally abused by the rank and

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> file soldiers.
> David Hope

The British Armed Forces recently sold all of their Series vehicle
regardless of condition and are in the process of requiping with the
Wolf
range of Land Rovers. So there are several thousand LRs available over
there in all conditions some almost unused. I believe it was one company
that bought them but I dn't remember the name.
John and Muddy

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@offroading.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:00:22 -0000
Subject: Re: Importing old Land Rovers from England

John,

It was MVC, mine had (4000) miles on the clock....believe it if you
dare....sweet as a nut

Neil

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:07:07 -0400
Subject: Re: series washing machine

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
> > I am sure you have
> >laundered your smalls in a bag of soapy water as you drive.
> >John and Muddy
> ;
> That thought never occured to me.  So please describe your method in
> greater detail.
> I just hand wash mine in one of my car's sinks and hang them to dry.
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> Your method sounds more interesting.
> TeriAnn Wakeman               

It is a common method employed by those traveling long distance
particularly in Africa. Put the water and soap powder in a sealable bag
or
container together with the clothes before setting out on the days
journey
place the container in the back and let the motion of the truck do the
washing. Change the water at lunch time to rince and at the end of the
day the washing is done. It works for quite dirty clothes too just
increase the milage :)
John and Muddy

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 99 06:15:10 -0800
Subject: Re: What's a cheese grater???!!!!

>> The bits 
>> of cheese gets EVERYWHERE and is a real pain to clean out. 
;
;>Terri Ann, is the dog not doing the appointed dog task?
;>Mine are certain that any edible item dropped over three inches in 
height is
;>licensed for the exclusive enjoyment of dogs.

Remember the interior of my car has furniture installed and the interiors 
of said furniture is full of supplies and equipment.  The dry pregrated 
cheese was in the spice rack above the sliding rear window and stove 
cabinet.  It snowed into my stove whenever the car bounced or swayed.  

All my cabinets are latched and dog proof. But there are also cornors at 
bends and little holes where spilled pits of stuff can escape.

TeriAnn Wakeman                       The Green Rover, rebuilt and
Santa Cruz, California                and maintained using parts from
twakeman@cruzers.com                  British Pacific 800-554-4133
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman      

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: "Emil King" <ewader@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:58:37 PST
Subject: VA Rover sighting

Sometime last year, I was passing through an area near Smithfield, VA 
(the ham place) and I saw a white/blue 110 Country(???) about to make a 
turn. I was with someone else so couldn't see it well. Anyone know who 
this is and where they're based?  Thanks.

Emil

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:59:29 EST
Subject: Re: Was Some of the most now star*ucks

In a message dated 3/15/99 6:07:31 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk writes:

<< hey, I learned a new word!, thanks Gerry. (and , yes, I did wonder if it
was
 a deliberate misspell!) >>

Thanks.... I'll consider that an accomplishment:  teaching the English a new
English word.  If you say it fast, no one can really tell what you're saying!
Use it to embarrass the wife... if you dare.  

Speaking of the English, I fully blame the woes of the US on them.  When they
first came here, the Indians had quite a system:  no taxes, no government and
the women did all the work.  And they thought they could improve on that?!

LR Content:  all can be forgiven for one diesel 110 delivered to my house in
PHX.  Or, a Dormobile in excellent shape.

:-)

Cheers,
Gerry Elam
PHX AZ

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From: "Andy Grafton" <andyg@sherco.co.za>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:44:26 +0200
Subject: Re: series washing machine

John wrote;

> day the washing is done. It works for quite dirty clothes too just
> increase the milage :)

It works quicker and better if you tie it to the roofrack, as it gets 
warmed by the sun and the oscillation is that much more 
vigourous.  Better still do the off road thing.

200 litre industrial orange juice containers have a large removeable 
lid which is fastened by a large collar to the top of the barrel; this 
allows easy access to clothes and water.  You don't need much 
water, just enough to slosh about.

Picture of aforementioned mechanism at;

http://users.iafrica.com/b/br/brantxit/lhwintanzania.html

When you change the water, just open the lid and let the water out 
over the side of the vehicle.  Refill with buckets passed up, don't try 
to lift it onto the roof full!

All the best,

Andy
andyg@sherco.co.za, '79RR

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From: "John Baker" <daddyo@loxinfo.co.th>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:10:32 +0700
Subject: Radiator Story...

The seam between the upper tank top and bottom separated the other day, 
leading me to pull the radiator and take it to a shop to have this 
repaired. After a couple of hours the shop called to tell me they 
couldn't repair it because of some BS reason and that a recore would be 
400 odd buck and blah, blah, blah...

I just had my radiator cleaned and cored over here. They removed it from
the LR, unsoldered the top and bottom, cleaned it out and soldered up any
leaks, resoldered the top and bottom on, reinstalled. Bill was for US $
8.10. Any shop here can do that, while you wait. If they want 400 bucks to
do that over in the US, perhaps I should start a business--people could DHL
me their radiators, I send em back, make some money...:) Don't send your
radiators yet!!

John Baker
Bangkok

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:45:18 EST
Subject: BSF or BSP? (Was: Re: Guage replacement)

In a message dated 3/15/99 10:31:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, rover@pinn.net
writes:

> Well, you could...if you could find another with the same thread...it's
>  BSF...*one* thread per inch off of good ol' NPT....

Sandy, is that BSF or BSP?  I can find an adaptor for BSP, BSF may take some
doing...

Nate

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From: Christopher Clanton <clantoc@prasol.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:49:40 -0600
Subject: Prices

Having been in the market for another Series the last few months,  I've
come to the conclusion that Series prices are dropping a bit here in the
U.S.   A truck that would go for $8500 last summer is now "on the market"
for about $5000-$6000.    I am currently looking at two different 88" SW's
with rust free frames, low miles, good mechanicals, decent cosmetics,
etc. for around $5K.

Has anyone else see this??   Any theories on this phenomenon?  

-cjc

Dario Eduardo Marcoppido wrote:
> (petrol engine), because in my country (Argentina) could be worth up to =
> U$S 6,000.00 (Not a joke ! ! !).
> Can this vehicle be converted in a SW without passengers doors?, Can I =
> fit a diesel engine on it?

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:03:23 -1000
Subject: Re: Importing old Land Rovers from England

How much was the shipping?
I know I can send a vehicle from hawaii to the west coast of the US or to OZ
for under $1000

Pete
From: Neil Brownlee <metal_thrasher@offroading.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 4:06
Subject: Re: Importing old Land Rovers from England

>Military Vehicle Spares in Litchfield sold me an excellent 109". It was

mint

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:14:35 -0800
Subject: clothes washing

Not having the luxury of either a washing machine or a lot of water when I
am long distance sailing.........which I have also done while traveling with
my Land Rover.

I use a bucket (a rectangular one - I used to use a round one) of about 2
gallons volume. I put in 1.5 gallons of water with liquid soap (powder does
not always dissolve). I then put in the articles of clothing - about 3-5 at
a time. I then tramp on the laundry in the bucket with my foot (see, the
rectangular bucket fits my size twelve's better)............
After you are finished the wash cycle, I then remove the clothes and wring
well. I then put in clean water and rinse them with the foot stamping
method. I repeat the rinse/wring cycle two more times. I have then another
day or two of clean clothing. 6 gallons does the whole wash.

Laundry and cooking are what break up the daily watches while sailing - I
just did this routine for two months while sailing in Mexico with
Alexander.......this is also how I field clean his clothes.

Cheers
David
Full-time father of Alexander - 4.26 years old
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
1967 109 Station Wagon (my, what have I done!)
S/V KALAKALA  - our home, an Ingrid 38, ketch rigged
caretaker of all our toys - including Cindi's 1963 2CV
wahooadv@earthlink.net

end of message

A bonus is that doing this at the end of the day cleans your feet and hands
like you would not believe.

I do like the the drum on the top of the roof trick though...........

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:35:09 -0800
Subject: RE: Some of the most fun I've had with my clothes on:  

We have a list member on the BC Land Rover list from Kodiak, AK  who drives
a 109.  Can't remember his name for the life of me though...  I'll forward
your post to that list...

Paul in Victoria, BC 

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:35:55 -0800
Subject: RE: Some of the most fun I've had with my clothes on:

From: "Kevin Campbell" <KCampbell@AdRem.net>
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:06:20 -0800
Subject: RE: Some of the most fun I've had with my clothes on:

>a
>Fiessler Storch on steroids.
>It was a Pilatus Porter. Still not exactly legal here in the states, but
>there is at least one - owned by a Mr. Clay Lacey, who happens to be a
>Land Rover lover, though I know not if he currently has any (content!).

Pilatus Porters are perfectly legal to operate in the US.  I know several 
operators in Alaska who have them.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:12:39 +0200
Subject: Re: series washing machine

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
> I just hand wash mine in one of my car's sinks and hang them to dry.

Oh, oh, oh! "one of my car's sinks" is it? More than one sink, is it?
Too good to wear your clothes until they rot off your body, are you? Far
too sophisticated for us common-as-muck types, are we? (note the rather
clever toffee-nosed John Cleese accent)

Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 99 12:38:22 -0500
Subject: Re: Chicken Khorma 

>Aah Frank, what I'd give for a chicken khorma, pilaw rice, ten papdams, 
>bombay aloo, bhindi bhaji, onion rahta, meat madras, and a beer.... the 
>only part we can buy here is the beer - Newcastle Brown in large, 
>expensive bottles.

>Please Frank - stop this torture....

I wasn't going to jump in on this thread since I was whingeing about the war 
game stories...but here in Arlington there is "take away" Indian, about four 
blocks down the street. They just started delivering a few months ago...Hello, 
Alu Gobi Masala...Lamb Vindaloo...papadam, Mango lassi...mmmm

later
dave

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 99 12:51:29 -0500
Subject: Re: Radiator Story... 

>I just had my radiator cleaned and cored over here. They removed it from the 
>LR, unsoldered the top and bottom, cleaned it out and soldered up any leaks, 
>resoldered the top and bottom on, reinstalled. Bill was for US $ 8.10.

1. everything is chepaer over there, no?
2. Bill was referring to having a completely new radiator core installed. HWat 
they did on yours was just rod out the tubes, and put the tanks back on.

later
dave

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:53:04 EST
Subject: Heads up! Staffing Changes at RN

Hi all,

Just found out the Charlie Haigh is no longer at RN.  Rumor is he moved out to
Colorado and is working at a LR dealership.  Hope he'll still take technical
questions.
Anybody know where in Colorado?

Nate

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From: "Axel HAAKONSEN"<axel_haakonsen@hsbcsecuritiesinc.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:32:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Infinite Improbability Drive

Frank Elson wrote:
<< but, more importantly, why are there no hooks in a Land Rover to hang the
brown paper bag with the takeaway in, on?>>

The new Disco II has one.  Seriously.  I was looking at one just out of
curiosity a couple of weeks ago, and the sales person explained that when the
new Disco was designed, the people on the assembly line was asked to provide
input on what they would like to see in the new model, and the most popular
suggestion was "a curry hook", so they put one in.

Axel Haakonsen, NJ USA
97 Disco
http://mars.superlink.net/haakona/

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From: "Brad Harris" <brad.harris@westernsouthernlife.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:12:12 -0500
Subject: Re: RR hybrid conversion HELP PLEASE

You do not need the Boge rear leveling strut. Many Range Rover owners remove
them when they quit working. Are you putting new springs on the hybrid? If
not you may want to if you remove the Boge unit. The springs on the rear of
a Range Rover with the Boge leveling unit are very soft. They are designed
to be used in conjunction with the Boge unit. When you remove the unit (even
a unit which is not working as it should) the rear will sag about 1/2" to
3/4".

How do you know the Boge unit is dead? Is it leaking? If you just throw in
stuff in the back of the RR the rear will sag with a correctly working Boge
unit. The Boge unit requires movement to raise the rear of the vehicle. The
proper way to test the unit is to fill the rear of the vehicle with a lot of
weight. Drive the truck for a few miles and then measure the distance
between the axle and the bump stop. It should be with a certain amount of
the distance of an empty vehicle. I forget the exact numbers so if you want
to know E-mail me off list and I'll look it up.

Now you know that you can remove it and how to see if yours is dead, now you
can make up your own mind as to whether or not you want to use it. There are
arguments both for and against the Boge unit.

Are you on the coiler digest?

Have fun,

Brad H.

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:22:17 -0500
Subject: Srayers

Clinton Coates <ccoates@GOLDER.com> wrote:
     
>     Let us know how the JCW spray set works.  They are about 40 bucks, 
>     aren't they?

About that.  I've been using one for about five years now, and it works
just fine.  With 100# or so on the compressor it gives a good pattern.
Spraying it in the back, I will notice vapors pouring out of every other
drain hole.  I warm up the tin of Waxoyl in the sink then *really* heat up
a litre in the microwave. No need to thin it that way.

The kit comes with several wands up to about 3' long and a variety of tips:
straight, right angle and reverse.  I put a paint mark on the right angle
wand so's I can tell which way it is pointing inside the frame.

BTW...heated Waxoyl makes a passable flame thrower.... ;-)  Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  |                                                   |
  |   (original owner)        (pre-production)        | 
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:08:27 EST
Subject: Re: Chicken Khorma

In a message dated 16-03-99 12:38:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dbobeck@ushmm.org writes:

<< .but here in Arlington there is "take away" Indian, about four 
 blocks down the street. >>

Dave,

Is that the one in Buckingham next to the Post Office???  Agree, they are (or
at least a couple of years ago) good!  Sounds like a road trip is in the
offing.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: Russ Wilson <gambrinus66@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:21:59 -0800
Subject: Re: Heads up! Staffing Changes at RN

>Just found out the Charlie Haigh is no longer at RN.  Rumor is he moved out to
>Colorado and is working at a LR dealership.Anybody know where in Colorado?
Denver area.  Contact J.Wood at jwrover@colo-net.com he should know where
he is.

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

"That's just my opinion; I could be wrong...."
				Dennis Miller

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From: Charles Irvin <cirvin1258@juno.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:30:19 -0800
Subject: Re: Chicken Khorma

On Tue, 16 Mar 99 12:38:22 -0500 dbobeck@ushmm.org writes:
the 
>>only part we can buy here is the beer - Newcastle Brown in large, 
>>expensive bottles.>>

Newcastle Brown??? Sorry...give me a Lal-Toofan, or give me death!

>I wasn't going to jump in on this thread since I was whingeing about 
>the war 
>game stories...but here in Arlington there is "take away" Indian, 
>about four 
>blocks down the street. They just started delivering a few months 
>ago...Hello, 
>Alu Gobi Masala...Lamb Vindaloo...papadam, Mango lassi...mmmm
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>later
>dave

War games Dave? I wasn't talking about games: I was talking reality!

Charles

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From: "Jos de Vries" <ct915434@student.citg.tudelft.nl>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:29:55 +0000
Subject: RE: Prices / Spanish LR

>. I don't know if anyone knows how long ago the
> Spanish began building under license? 

Santana started somewhere in the sixties.
Mine 109 safari SW is a SIIA/SIII and from 9-1971  

gr JOS

greetings

Jos de Vries

Land Rover SANTANA 109 D Especial '71 
Land Rover 88 4x2 '75

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 99 14:55:10 -0500
Subject: Re[2]: Chicken Khorma 

>War games Dave? I wasn't talking about games: I was talking reality!

Somebody was...all deleted now...oh well...hmmm...how to fit some LR content in 
here, yes..., I know....I have been shot at in my LR, if that's what war is 
like than I will stay far away...stick to flame wars...

later
dave 

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From: "Richard Clarke"<Richard.Clarke@nre.vic.gov.au>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:27:34 +1000
Subject: Re: Bills radiator

Bill,

godd to see you managed to fix your radiator

Just a word of caution - if you get a few pin holes it usually means the
core is thin and you are therefore likely to get more inthe not too distant
future - A good fix for around town, but I wouls not recommend setting out
on a major 'across the contenent' type trip whre a failure may leave you
straded (or worse)

. . . thats not to say that you might not get several more years light duty
use after your repairs

good luck

richard c

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From: "Richard Clarke"<Richard.Clarke@nre.vic.gov.au>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:20:08 +1000
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
wrote.....
"I think a 130 would be about as less capable to negotiate tight turning
situations than a 109 as a 109 is to an 88."

My genuine 130 has a similar turning circle to a 109 (different swivel
housings on later vehicles) - I one saw a home made 130 using series III
axles and the turning circle was measured in 'acres' - even though the
turning circle isn't too bad its length makes negotiating very tight spaces
a bit more challenging

"expandable side vans?  Each side pops 'out'.  Interesting concept for a
long" "One option was to build the bed in sideways just behind the seat
bulkhead at the height of the side body cappings."

I have done this on tha back of the 130, the canopy has lift up door on
both sides (for access to 'stuff' in the back) around one side fits a
simple vehicle mounted tent, I can then sleab across the top at tray level
with my feet on a board into the 'tent'.  It seems to be working o.k.
although I originally had some difficulties getting a water proof seel
around the top of the tent

My 103 is a crew-cab so the space in the rear is probably less than in a
LWB hard top, its aboyt 5foot 4 inches wide by 5 foot seven inches long,
the canopy runs at roof height, so is probably about the same as the back
of a standard Landy.  I considered pop-top but it was to be very expensive
and would reduce the flexibility for other purposes - maybe next time

I cook on the rear tailgate.  I guess one of the easy things here in
Australia is that I don't have to plan (often) for very cold conditions as
seems to be almost the norm for people such ar Terri-Anne, this means that
cooking is always done either outside or with the rear fully open

richard c

One of the things I was considering was to build hinged sides where the

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From: IBEdwardp@aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:44:10 EST
Subject: Sightings

Photos of Series Land-Rovers seem somewhat rare in magazines here in the US.
This month's Men's Journal has no less than four. The contents page (19) shows
a rear view of either a series III or a 110 coiler in the Atlas Mts, Moroco.
Then p. 99 shows a 109(?) which I guess may be the same vehicle. Page 136-7 in
an unrelated fluff article about wearing surplus clothing shows a male model
at the wheel of what just about has to be a Series IIA.  Finally in the Travel
Guide section on p. 172 is a big (130?) safari car which looks to be a Series
of some vintage.  One of Paul Oxley's chums maybe? Anyway, seemed a little
unusual to see that many in a single issue.

Ed Bailey
SIIA SWB  Millennium Falcon
Still Somewhere in East Tennessee

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pueden comprar o llegu=E9 tarde?

Dario Eduardo Marcoppido
marcoppido@intramed.net.ar
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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:46:48 -0500
Subject: Re: Infinite Improbability Drive

TeriAnn,

 When I took Mum & Dad to Los Angeles, Mum had a large box of Brooke Bond
tea bags and a 115 volt "cup boiler" in her case.
 
 Good job we didn`t go to Boston... They would have chucked it in the
harbour!
 
Paul

Ex- H.M. Coastguard SIII SWB
"Dougal Mc Landie"
B895 OJT (1984)
(Navy Blue with a Yellow Roof)

 

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:46:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Coffee, Tea, and cheese...

Charles,

 I seem to recall the "military hardware" thread had culinary beginnings
too...
 
 Remember, if there was no tea, there would be no Land-Rovers. 
Paul

Ex- H.M. Coastguard SIII SWB
"Dougal Mc Landie"
B895 OJT (1984)
(Navy Blue with a Yellow Roof)

 

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:46:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Chicken Khorma

<< Alu Gobi Masala...Lamb Vindaloo...papadam, Mango lassi.. >>

West Midlands food arrives "over there"!

 It should make your Landy feel right at home.
 
Paul

Ex- H.M. Coastguard SIII SWB
"Dougal Mc Landie"
B895 OJT (1984)
(Navy Blue with a Yellow Roof)

 

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From: "Blair Gillespie" <blairg@fix.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:56:28 -0800
Subject: Re: USUARIOS ARGENTINOS

Dario,
    Yo creo si queris comprar un land rover del Camel Trophey tienes comprar
uno de englatera. Ellos tienen muchos tipos de land rovers que usan. Que
tipo queres? Hay vario tipos que usan.
    De donde sos? Que parte de Argentina. Como quince anos pasasdo yo fue a
Argentina para vivier. Un intercambio de AFS. Yo tango familia en Entre
Rios(Concordia)
    2 anos pasodo fuemos por vacation por un mez. Pasamos hermoso y tengo
ganas para volver.
Chau,
Blair
Blair Gillespie
San Luis Obispo Ca. USA
Home-805.595.7547
Cell- 805.235.7251
Email to Cell- 8052357251@mobile.C1-SLO.com

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From: "Roy H Caldwell" <kiotee@mcn.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:31:28 -0700
Subject: Re: series washing machine

Regarding washing clothes in a Land Rover.  The trick that works is this:
Take a sutiable container, usually a five gallon jug with a wide top and
sealable lid, fill it about half with water.  Toss in your clothes and some
detergent, re-seal and then drive off.  After about an hour or so of
slooshing back and forth in the Landy, your clothes are ready to rinse and
hang.  Good practice is to do it at the start of a day of off-roading.
Rinse when you hit camp and in the AM you should have dry clean clothes.

Did this in the army.

Roy

- Photojournalist of the 50th Military History Detachment
One of only two History Detachments to receive the Army Superior Unit
Citation for service in Bosnia.

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From: "The Stockdales" <mstockdale@mho.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:55:05 -0800
Subject: OD Hard to shift

lt's happened to me, and the problem was a real B@#$H.  The large bolt that
is the pivot for the shifter galled/rusted to the pivot arm.  The fix was to
unbolt the piece (pivot arm stuck on the bolt) and getting the bolt pressed
out of the arm.  Have you seen what they want for a new one?!!  Coat the
whole assembly with anti-seize, and reassemble.  If you own a Fairey, and I
believe the Toro is similar, coat that bolt with anti-seize.

Hurricane Mitch

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:12:52
Subject: Re: Kona Coffee

Pete, What shameless hustling of my fine locally grown native grown product.  

Just getting ready to roast the last of this years crop, once this is gone
no more until probably October when the new crop comes in.  Still only $15
a pound plus shipping.

Each and every tree transported and planted out of a Landrover and every
bean carted in the very same rover.  

Had to get that rover content in.

Aloha Peter

>For those of you who are looking for what I believe to be the best cup of
>coffee that can be had and if you have your own grinder, might I suggest you
>contact fellow Land Rover owner and coffe grower Peter Ogilvie.  I ordered a
>couple of pounds from him and am hoarding the last bit for those latenight
>homework java emergancies.  Hope he doesn't object to the plug, but the
>stuff is *real good*.  I am thinking of just giving it as xmas presents next
>year to the family.
>Pete

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From: Russ Wilson <gambrinus66@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:43:17 -0800
Subject: Re: Kona Coffee

>Pete, What shameless hustling of my fine locally grown native grown product.
>Just getting ready to roast the last of this years crop, once this is gone
>no more until probably October when the new crop comes in.  Still only $15
>a pound plus shipping.Each and every tree transported and planted out of a
>Landrover and every
I'll bite and ask the obvious question.... How much? and How do I order
some???  Anything to help out a fellow rover owner....

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

"That's just my opinion; I could be wrong...."
				Dennis Miller

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:45:51 -1000
Subject: Re: Kona Coffee

>Pete, What shameless hustling of my fine locally grown native grown
product.
>Pete, What shameless hustling of my fine locally grown native grown

Meant every word of it.  People do not know what they are missing

>Just getting ready to roast the last of this years crop, once this is gone
>no more until probably October when the new crop comes in.  Still only $15
>a pound plus shipping.
Well I better place an order then.  Put me down for 15lbs this time.  Resend
me your snail mail and let me know when they will be ready and I will pop
some $$ over to ya.

>Each and every tree transported and planted out of a Landrover and every
>bean carted in the very same rover.

That's it!!! That is what makes the coffee taste so damn good, all the 90
weight it's been soaking in.  hehehe
Pete

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:59:22 -1000
Subject: Re: Chicken Khorma 

>game stories...but here in Arlington there is "take away" Indian, about
four
>blocks down the street. They just started delivering a few months ago...

Used to be a place in Sterling I think, out Rt 7 that served up some pretty
good food.  One of my roommates was a Sake(sp) and would take us all there
all the time
Pete

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:11:15 -0500
Subject: Re: 130s & LRs with expanding sides

David Scheidt wrote:

> I am fairly sure the 130 has a tighter steering lock than the 109
> does, since
> the limiting factor on a 109 are the leaf springs.  It probably has
> wider
> offset wheels which would further improve turning radius.

Turn circle is listed as 45' for a 109 and 42' for a 110 in Taylor's
book. I don't know what the reasons are, but a 110 must have a larger
maximum steer angle than a 109. Same should be true for a 130.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:34:56 +1000
Subject: New Editor for Land Rover Owners Club mag

Don't ask me how but I got elected as the editor for the Land Rover Owners
Club of Australia (Sydney Branch) newsletter ...whew!

So look out, I might steal stuff from the list for publication!

Regards,

Ron

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:19:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Prices

Christopher Clanton wrote:

> Having been in the market for another Series the last few months,
> I've
> come to the conclusion that Series prices are dropping a bit here in
> the
> U.S.   A truck that would go for $8500 last summer is now "on the
> market"
> for about $5000-$6000.    I am currently looking at two different 88"
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> etc. for around $5K.
> Has anyone else see this??   Any theories on this phenomenon?

I've also noticed that asking prices on various www sites seemed to have
dropped in the last year or so. My theory is that series LR prices went
up significantly with the introduction of the Defenders in the US. That
got enough folks interested in owning a LR who either wanted a cheaper
alternative to a Defender or a more unique vehicle. Since demand went
up, prices also went up. Prehaps the Defender craze is over so the
demand is down, and some of the folks who bought a series LR several
years ago have decided to sell so the supply is up.

Any other ideas?

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: Todd Schlemmer <nullman@ptinet.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:35:08 -0800
Subject: Re: Kona Coffee

I'll take four pounds if you got it.

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From: Tim Czajka <Indio2@cris.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:35:39 -0700
Subject: Re: engine/tranny adaptor info

> Clinton Coates wrote:
>     Does anyone know of any good books/videos/magazine
>     articles/websites with information on adapting 
>     engines to transmissions?

Two major adapter companies in the US are Advanced Adapters and Novak
Enterprises.  These companies make motor to tranny to tcase 
adapters and peripherals.

Advanced is probably the largest with a website at
“www.advanceadapters.com” - a free buyers guide can be ordered from the
site.  While the buyers guide has a lot of great information on US truck
parts and swap recommendations, the current edition does not contain any
Land Rover specific adapters even though it does list Land Rover on the
cover.  I happen to have an older guide listing several adapters
including a Ford C4 to Series tcase adapter and some by the Australian
adapter company Marks 4WD Adaptors - Advanced is their official US
distributor.  By the way Advanced will answer e-mail questions and
usually give you a staff member name to call for further info.

Marks actually has a nice web site at “www.ozemail.com.au/~marks4wd/”
that lists many Land Rover adapters.  They also carry complete bolt-in 4
and 5 speed Nissan transmissions for the Series and engine adapters.

Novak Enterprises had been around for many years and also with a web
site but it went off-line a few months ago.  I believe Mr. Novak passed
away and the family may be getting out of the adapter business.

I am sure there are many other smaller adapter outfits - including a guy
called "Scotty" who's name appears often concerning Series adapters?

As for in-depth drivetrain adapter discussion – there is a good site at
“4x44u.vmag.com/forum/PartsMike/”.  Posts are archived so a few hours
can be spent researching component alternatives.  While most of the
discussion involves Jeep vehicles you can get a good idea of the
advantages/pitfalls of various configurations.

Tim Czajka
1972 Series III 88

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:49:44 -1000
Subject: Re: Kona Coffee

Peter O is on the big Island.
I am on the 'concrete' island (Oahu).  Haven't made it over to the big one
yet.  Hoping we can swing it between summer school
Pete
[spamkill: [Cc]redit [Cc]ard input: %s]	 >Garbage in you can call me for credit 
card information
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From: Piet Fourie <pah@saao.ac.za>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:23:09 +0200
Subject: Re: series washing machine

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
> > I am sure you have
> >laundered your smalls in a bag of soapy water as you drive.
> >John and Muddy
> ;
> That thought never occured to me.  So please describe your method in
> greater detail.
> I just hand wash mine in one of my car's sinks and hang them to dry.
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> I just hand wash mine in one of my car's sinks and hang them to dry.
> Your method sounds more interesting.
Hi

A method we used when out in the bundus to do our washing is a
watertight container into which we put the laundry, water and soap. 
This is then put on the roof carrier.  At the end of the days driving
everything is then rinsed and dried.

Piet
1955 S1
1980 RR
-- 
P.A.H. Fourie
South African Astronomical Observatory
Sutherland
South Africa
Tel:    023 - 5711135
Fax:    023 - 5711413
E-mail: pah@saao.ac.za
Web: http://ma.saao.ac.za/~pah

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From: Piet Fourie <pah@saao.ac.za>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:32:01 +0200
Subject: Re: RR hybrid conversion HELP PLEASE

Brad Harris wrote:
> You do not need the Boge rear leveling strut. Many Range Rover owners
> remove
> them when they quit working. Are you putting new springs on the
> hybrid? If
> not you may want to if you remove the Boge unit. The springs on the
> rear of
> a Range Rover with the Boge leveling unit are very soft. They are
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> unit. The Boge unit requires movement to raise the rear of the
> vehicle. 

Have a look at my web page to see what I did when my boge unit failed.

Piet
1955 S1
1980 RR
-- 
Web: http://ma.saao.ac.za/~pah
P.A.H. Fourie
South African Astronomical Observatory
Sutherland
South Africa
Tel:    023 - 5711135
Fax:    023 - 5711413
E-mail: pah@saao.ac.za

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From: "Andy Grafton" <andyg@sherco.co.za>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:02:52 +0200
Subject: Re: RR hybrid conversion HELP PLEASE

Brad wrote;

> them when they quit working. Are you putting new springs on the 
hybrid? If
# not you may want to if you remove the Boge unit. The springs on the rear of
> a Range Rover with the Boge leveling unit are very soft. They are designed
# to be used in conjunction with the Boge unit. When you remove the unit (even
> a unit which is not working as it should) the rear will sag about 1/2" to
# 3/4".

Brad you're 100% correct in terms of removing the slu from a RR...  
the main difference here is that if this ends up as I've seen them, 
the hybrid will probably weigh in about 500kg lighter once it's been 
shortened and had the Rangie body and all removed in favour of LR 
stuff.

In this situation the 150lb rear springs are just about perfect, with a 
used set providing a little over 1" lift above the standard RR height 
with no slu fitted to the hybrid.

All the best,

Andy
andyg@sherco.co.za, '79RR

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From: urbncby@sgi.net (Scott C. Wickham Jr.)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:47:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: hubs

>I have not disassembled my front axle yet, but am curious, are the
>Warn hubs
>= on my Rover going to be like the ones I had on my Scout and Jeep?  If
>so are
>= the internals the same?

  I have warn on the zebra.  I work with a guy who has a 1970 Scout 800.  I
was asking him if he had seals and such, he took one look at mine and said
they were much bigger than his.  I'm willing to bet the mechanical design
is the same but, since Rovers have such BIG hubs, they are'nt compatible
with any other model.  I think mine are M110, stamped on the brass knob.

   Scott C. Wickham Jr.
     Pittsburgh, Pa.
     1972 Ser III
     Zebra truck
     

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From: urbncby@sgi.net (Scott C. Wickham Jr.)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:47:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Some of the most fun I've had with my clothes on:

>Rover stacked 3-4 high.  I was thinking, maybe get a C-5 for the wekend.
>Take a hop to Heathrow and load up on ex MoD stuff.
>Pete

  Can you stop in Pittsburgh and pick up the Fort Pitt Land Rover Group?
We could use some normally priced LR parts too!

   Scott C. Wickham Jr.
     Pittsburgh, Pa.
     1972 Ser III
     Zebra truck
     

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From: urbncby@sgi.net (Scott C. Wickham Jr.)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:48:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Waxoyl Alternative

>The product is "Rusfre' 1000-1 Clear ", made by 3B Products Co., Inc., 321
>Greensburg Road, New Kensington, PA 15088.

  I have nothing useful to say about any Waxoil stuff but, if anybody goes
to this place for some Rusfre', I live close and know some good trails!!
(412)828-5545, leave a message at the garage.

   Scott C. Wickham Jr.
     Pittsburgh, Pa.
     1972 Ser III
     Zebra truck
     

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From: urbncby@sgi.net (Scott C. Wickham Jr.)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:49:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Some of the most fun I've had with my clothes on:

> FWIW, I've enjoyed reading these postings and have learned some things to
>boot.

  I have to agree.  I'm interested in the Viet Nam war, have worked with
many vets but, never asked about the war.  I would'nt want to bring back
any bad memories.  Reading some of it straight from the horses mouth is
interesting.  You know they won't talk about it for ever on this list
so...let it slide.  That's part of the joy of Rover ownership, lots of
diverse backrounds.

   Scott C. Wickham Jr.
     Pittsburgh, Pa.
     1972 Ser III
     Zebra truck
     

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From: urbncby@sgi.net (Scott C. Wickham Jr.)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:49:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re:Was Some of the most now star*ucks

>It amazes me that they have the nerve to charge $3 for a cuo of coffee.
>I go to Tim Hortons better coffee for a buck.

  Well, the best coffee is at the Oakmont bakery in Pa.  And it's under a
buck.  I used to be a truck driver so, I've have LOTS of coffee, coast to
coast!

  "How 'bout it west bound, how's it lookin' out your backdoor...Full grown
bear mile 48 this way..."  See, I still talk trucker.

   Scott C. Wickham Jr.
     Pittsburgh, Pa.
     1972 Ser III
     Zebra truck
     

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From: urbncby@sgi.net (Scott C. Wickham Jr.)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:49:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Warn Hubs

> I was unable to find the bucket of
>Warn hub parts, so it appears they actually did find their way into the
>load of scrap a few months ago.  Sorry!

  Agggghhhh!  You threw away Rover parts, bad, bad Rover owner!  I'm sure
someone on the list could have used them for parts like...ME.  Never throw
away parts.  Oh, the humanity...........

   Scott C. Wickham Jr.
     Pittsburgh, Pa.
     1972 Ser III
     Zebra truck
     

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From: urbncby@sgi.net (Scott C. Wickham Jr.)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:50:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Weber icing question

> This AM, the Brick started and
>idled fine, but on hard acceleration, it acts like it is fuel starved--

  Mine would do this once and a while. It would start and idle but, any
throttle would make it stall.  It was water in the fuel tank.  Before I
figured it out, twice I had to drive home, at idle, on the shoulder of the
road with the flashers on.

   Scott C. Wickham Jr.
     Pittsburgh, Pa.
     1972 Ser III
     Zebra truck
     

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:14:46 -1000
Subject: Shipping rovers/parts from the UK.

>  Can you stop in Pittsburgh and pick up the Fort Pitt Land Rover Group?
>We could use some normally priced LR parts too!
No problem, passenger compartment on the C-5 carries 73.  Not counting cargo
ramps we have 1459" x 228" x 162" of cargo space so I feel confident that we
should be able to get a couple dozen 109's in her.
Ya know, the AF is always looking to get more flight time.  Way it usually
works is we pay for the gas for them to haul us around.  So all we need to
do is pitch in on a bunch of JP4 or what ever she drinks. hmmm, maybe we
should just pitch in on a container.

Someone on the list recently mentioned doing this, getting a container.  Am
curiour as to what the $$ ran for the project?

Pete

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:16:09 -1000
Subject: Re: hubs

>  I have warn on the zebra.  I work with a guy who has a 1970 Scout 800.  I
>was asking him if he had seals and such, he took one look at mine and said
>they were much bigger than his.

Yeah I kinda thought that would be the case.  Was Hoping against myself that
someone would say otherwise
Pete

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From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:29:52 -0800
Subject: Re: Prices

At 11:19 PM 3/16/99 -0500, David Cockey wrote:
:>I've also noticed that asking prices on various www sites seemed to have
:>dropped in the last year or so. My theory is that series LR prices went
:>up significantly with the introduction of the Defenders in the US. That
:>got enough folks interested in owning a LR who either wanted a cheaper
:>alternative to a Defender or a more unique vehicle. Since demand went
:>up, prices also went up. Prehaps the Defender craze is over so the
:>demand is down, and some of the folks who bought a series LR several
:>years ago have decided to sell so the supply is up.

 It does not follow that just because prices of Land Rover Series
 vehicles are observed to be down, that interest in Defenders is over.
 In fact, Defenders are very popular.  They demand as much money now as
 they did when they sold new in the US.  1994 Defenders D90's are still
 around $25-28,000 and 1997's at around $35-38,000.

 I propose that the LR Series prices are down in part because those that
 bought into the recently thinking they are cheap Defenders are finding
 that they are not Defenders at all, and are wanting to rid themselves of
 them.  In comparison LR Series vehicles are slow and lack power, are
 uncomfortable, lack safety features, are prone to breakage and need too
 much maintenance and repairs.  Those that speculated on old LR's
 highlighted by the 50th Anniversary craze are finding that there is
 little continued enthusiasm in the market for their investment pyramid
 and there are only a small core group of Series supporters out there.

-Michael

 Michael Carradine     ___,_\__                          www.landrover.net
 Architect             [_______]           50-80, 72-88, 89-RR Land Rovers
 925-988-0900 _______.._(o)_.(o)__..o^^  POBox 430, Walnut Creek, CA 94597
 

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From: Charles Irvin <cirvin1258@juno.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:55:58 -0800
Subject: Re: Shipping rovers/parts from the UK.

On Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:14:46 -1000 "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
writes:

>No problem, passenger compartment on the C-5 carries 73.  Not counting 
>cargo
>ramps we have 1459" x 228" x 162" of cargo space so I feel confident 
>that we
>should be able to get a couple dozen 109's in her.

...Is this double-stacked???

Maybe we should opt for a AN-2: the more Rovers, the merrier!

Charles

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From: Charles Irvin <cirvin1258@juno.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 02:37:06 -0800
Subject: Re: Some of the most fun I've had with my clothes on:

On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:49:10 -0500 (EST) urbncby@sgi.net (Scott C.
Wickham Jr.) writes:
>> FWIW, I've enjoyed reading these postings and have learned some 
>things to
>>boot.
>  I have to agree.  I'm interested in the Viet Nam war, have worked 
>with
>many vets but, never asked about the war.  I would'nt want to bring 
>back
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>of
>diverse backrounds.

Well, since others are still talking $3.00 coffee - what the hell...

As I've said before, I wasn't in Viet Nam (I'm only 33), but I can
relate. I can't really discuss much of my past exploits until, say,
2009-2011, but there's lots that I can talk about.

Some folks that "were there" can't even so much as watch a news story/see
a movie/read a newspaper article about it - others live to keep the
memories alive sos not to forget the folks that weren't as lucky, others
like to talk to relieve stress (less nightmares that way, I'd guess). And
yes - you can in fact hear a plane or a chopper, and tell exactly what
type it is before even seeing it - L-O-N-G before even seeing it. Anybody
that thinks this is booooooring has obviously never had half a plane
dissappear from underneath them... it does make you think twice about
life in general.

My "inactive reserve" time was up just about the time Mr. Hussein
wandered into Kuwait. I was then placed on the "Indefinate" list (meaning
I can be called back to active-duty at ANY moment). I served on the
sister ship to the Spectre that went down in the Gulf: had I been called
back, that very well could have been me that went down with it.

Only nightmare I ever really had, involved the above mentioned
incident...we spent a night at the live fire range, and one of the
Vulcans jammed up during firing. The ammo cooked-off in the receiver.
Only one person injured, but it put a big hole in the plane, and kinda
messed up the controls.

Now - if only I could find replacements for some of my favorite T-shirts,
I'd look pretty cool in my 109: Spectre Club World Tour '85, GE: We bring
good things to life.

Charles

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