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From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield)
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 09:59:22 -0400
Subject: Re: 95 Disco Gearbox

I believe you have a syncro problem. You may be able to put off fixing
for a while by double declutching  down into 4th.
John and Muddy

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From: trowe@ibm.net
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 09:03:47 -0500
Subject: Lweis Chain saw winch?

Did anyone on teh list here win the e-bay bid for the lewis chain saw
winch? It went for $287 US, I couldn't bring myself to bid more than $260
:-(
It was a good deal though.....well, there's always tomorrow.

Tom Rowe
Atlanta, Georgia

Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck
            in places even more inaccessible

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From: asfco <asfco@banet.net>
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 09:32:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Lweis Chain saw winch?

trowe@ibm.net wrote:
> Did anyone on teh list here win the e-bay bid for the lewis chain saw
> winch? It went for $287 US, I couldn't bring myself to bid more than $260
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> It was a good deal though.....well, there's always tomorrow.
> I didn't but was wondering the same thing about the $12,000 series lla that 
was in Newburgh , NY the rover had an interesting history

Rgds
Steve Bradke  '68 lla
and for those that have seen the current issue of RN newsletter I do
know the difference between a Range Rover and a J**p

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From: "Jeff Dean" <jhdean@boone.net>
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 09:43:01 +0000
Subject: Land Rover electrical system

Is there a reason other than simplicity for the electical system to route 
through only two fuses?

Are there not increased dangers because of the larger fuses?

What about the danger of losing headlights all at once if some other
electrical part has a problem?

Can I add a duplex spade connector to the switched side of the fuse box for
an auxillary heater if there are no open spades?

What size fuses are used in the system?

Thanks,
Jeff

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From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield)
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 11:00:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Land Rover electrical system

When adding extra electrical stuff to LandRovers and other British
vehicles it is a VERY good idea to add a fuse panel and scource the
supply from there. If you want to switch this panel with the key feed it
through a 30 amp relay that is triggered from the ign. switch.
Much of the reported Lucas unreliability stems from the fact that these
systems are designed without any extra capacity for later additions. Put
on some fog lights or a radio and something will be over loaded.
John and Muddy 

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From: "Lee Jones" <leejones@wserv.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 11:45:48 -0500
Subject: RE: switching sides

Clarke,

Interestingly enough - when I worked at Road Atlanta we had a NASCAR race
and the first driver to test there about two weeks before the race started
out running the track counter-clockwise until we could get to him to stop!

Lee Jones

99 Disco SD
74 SIII Ex-MOD 109 FFR
67 Mini Cooper S 1275

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:14:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Land Rover electrical system

>Is there a reason other than simplicity for the electical system to route
>through only two fuses?
Absolutely none. Splitting the sections at that point to add more fuse blocks is
a common modification. LBCs (MGBs and the like) used a 40fuse block that will
basically fit in that area. More separate lines is more security.

>Are there not increased dangers because of the larger fuses?
Not particularly. If there's a REALLY GOOD short the fuse will pop quickly. It's
the little ones that char wiring.

>What about the danger of losing headlights all at once if some other
>electrical part has a problem?
Take a good look at the schematic - I think you'll find that a lot of the bits
like headlights are quite simply unfused...and yes, adding a fuse block or an
automotive circuit breaker to those lines is not a bad idea.

>Can I add a duplex spade connector to the switched side of the fuse box for
>an auxillary heater if there are no open spades?
You can, but I would personally add another fused section for something with the
current draw of a heater fan motor or the like. You can very rarely have too
many fuses...

>What size fuses are used in the system?
The stock Brit fuse is a 35Amp fuse - but don't put in an American 35 Amp fuse.
Brit fuses are rated differently - the continuous-duty rating on the Brit fuses
is 17Amperes - use an American 20-amp fuse and you're in the ballpark.

               Cheers, Alan
Thanks,
Jeff

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 07:55:16
Subject: Re: Kona coffee

Aloha Steve:

Did I respond to your post???  In answer to your question, I only sell
direct so you can purchase it from your living room.  I'm just a small
farmer without the ability to flood the market nationwide.  Price is $18.00
the pound delivered in the USA.  Send me a check and your address and I'll
get it in the mail ASAP.

Mahalo for your interest
Peter
Kona Coffee Rover

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 08:03:11
Subject: Re: Blatant commercialism, Kona coffee, was: snorkel top

Aloha Frank:

	Sorry to hear that your off rocket fuel.  Finally got around to checking
on the mailing cost to the UK and found its $13.00, the pound.  Its good
coffee but $28 a pound is a bit dear.  So I guess there is a little silver
lining in your condition.  Do sympathize with you as I've found the
neutered variety of coffee to be about as appetizing as a mud puddle.
	Just a question.  How is the supply of lightweights holding up.  Of 
course
that would be '75 or earlier because of our stupid safety regulations.
Thinking about buying a converted to diesel to replace the 88.

Peter
Kona Coffee Rover

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 19:00:19 +0100
Subject: Re: Kona coffee

How do we foringers order this Mahalo coffee then? I want to try some on
the mum-in-law!

:-)

Adrian Redmond

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 08:05:01 -1000
Subject: Re: Kona coffee

Aloha,
remember I would like another 10lbs so that I have enough to last till next
season  ;-)
Don't want you selling "my" emergancy reserves"  hahaha
Mahalo
Pete
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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 08:06:47 -1000
Subject: Re: Blatant commercialism, Kona coffee, was: snorkel top

Peter,
let me know if you want to go in on a 40 container.  Think we could fit a
109 and a light weight in one without problem.
Pete
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From: <matt@rangie.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 18:58:54 -0000
Subject: Survey results

For those who are awaiting the survey results with baited breath, there's
still a few stragglers sending their results in, so I'm holding back until
they're all in.

Matthew
nr Heathrow, UK
1979 2-dr Range Rover 300Tdi
ICQ #57090822
www.rangie.com

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 09:47:53
Subject: Re: Kona coffee

Aita Probleme!!!  Got it on the drying racks as we speak.  Also got the
fender apart and will ship it this week, if my son leaves his car here.
Without a truck, have to use his hatch back to haul bulky Items.

Aloha
Peter

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From: TBache9248@aol.com
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 15:15:16 EST
Subject: Which side?

HI Paul Oxley and All,
My view was the convention would be practiced by all if they had a car.  
Someone pointed out the bit about bicycles, which also must obey the 
convention (theoretically!).
I agree that the traffic circles make good sense, but in the US the drivers 
are so bad, that you have to force them to stop and look.  The newer circles 
in the UK are small in many towns, make little sense as the put a bump in the 
center to show where it ought to be-more of a nuisance.  They should have 
left the 4-way intersection they had.  Circles really work well if you have 
lots of real estate to give up.  I know I am going to hear about this from 
someone <grin>
Rant off.

Tom Bache
Avondale, PA

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 16:50:56 -0500
Subject: Re: Which side? - Traffic Circles

TBache9248@aol.com wrote:

> I agree that the traffic circles make good sense, but in the US the
> drivers
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> in the
> center to show where it ought to be-more of a nuisance.

A traffic circle was installed near us (Michigan, USA) this year and it
is functioning suprisingly well. It is a reasonable size, and was
designed after consultation with several authorities, including someone
in the UK. Large one-way signs were added shortly after it openned. Most
folks have quickly gotten the idea that traffic entering the circle
yields to traffic in the circle (helped by prominent yield signs). The
local authorities seem to be satisfied because another circle is planned
a short distance away.

New Jersey is a different story. NJ used to have many traffic circles,
and the rule was that traffic in the circle yielded to traffic entering
the circle. The result was frequent accidents, chaos and gridlock. Many
circles were eliminated or heavily modified. On a recent trip to NJ
though I saw a remaining circle with yield signs for traffic entering
the circle, and large signs saying that traffic in the circle had right
of way.

Now we have more inspiration to get a LR running; a trip around the
local rotary.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: "Monika & Steve Rochna" <mns@oasisol.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 14:07:38 -0800
Subject: Sighting

Is the owner of a red & sand SII 88", NV. plate PE6161 on the list?  If =
not, does anyone know him/her?  I saw it in Lovelock, NV. this morning.  =
That's close enough to meet with the three runners in Fallon for an =
outing.

Steve

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From: "Gomes, David" <David.Gomes@us.gambro.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 15:31:34 -0700 
Subject: RE: Diesel troubles

Hello Carl,

First of all, regarding the cam lift.  Going from memory here I think it's
.262" inlet and .278" exhaust.  This can be measured at the pushrod end of
the rockers after removing the rocker cover.  Use a plunger type dial
indicator with sufficient travel.   Sorry it's a little late for you now,
but any time the head is off is a good time to pull the tappets to inspect
for uneven wear on the rollers.  If a roller has worn out of round the valve
clearance will not remain constant.  IF you do this, be sure to follow the
manual steps and pull the pieces out in order (retainer bolt, roller
follower, roller, tappet guide).  If the tappet guide is removed before the
roller, the roller can fall down behind the cam, requiring removal of the
cam to remedy.

With the diesel we don't have to worry about spark, but still have to check
for fuel and air.  In substitution for spark, we have to worry more about
compression and (fuel injection) timing than our petrol friends!

Compression:
Do you have a hand crank?  
As you crank the motor slowly by hand do all 4 cylinders feel like they have
equal compression?
Did you inspect the cylinder walls for uneven wear when you had the head
off?
With the manifolds off, use a length of flexible tube held to your ear with
the other end down near a valve as the engine is turned by hand to listen
for leakage past the valve.

Fuel:
Does the symptom change with RPM? Internal advance of the injector pump may
be defective.
Check carefully for leaks in any part of the high pressure fuel system as a
leak will bleed off pressure and keep the an injector from working properly.
The bank of injectors can be removed from the head as a unit (attached
together by the overflow pipe) and reattached to the injector pipes inverted
to point into the air.  This way the injectors spray patterns can be
observed in the open air.  They should at least be even.  This is a crude
test, but may narrow down a problem to a particular injector line or area of
the pump. Keep the injectors pointed in a safe direction and don't get near
the spray.  The high pressure can inject fuel right through your skin!

Good luck narrowing down the cause of your sudden missing.

-Dave G.

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From: Skhar1927@aol.com
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 17:56:26 EST
Subject: steering clunk confessional

I'm posting this from home as its the weekend. I usually follow the list at 
work.

I've a quick fconfession to make:  someone suggested i check the bottom of 
the steering relay for the source of an odd clunk/creak on steering left and 
I stuck my head under the rover one evening (raining), last week and saw the 
bottom end seal and seal retaining ring, but Failed to notice the relay 
retainign plate itself was missing.  I noticed that friday as I was crawling 
around greasing all the zerks in the steerring and the driveline.

Interestingly, the frame appears to be "ambidextrous" as it has holes on both 
right and left for the relay, each with four threaded holes for the relay 
retaining ring, and the ring is clearly not there.  Chalk it up to 
inexperience, and the fact it was raining, causing me to take only a quick 
look.

At any rate, I write to thank the fellow who suggested this as it is probably 
the cause of the clunk/creak.  I think it was ajr or Zack.  The ring's now on 
order.

Do I need to pull of the lower arm entirely to get the ring on, or can I get 
away with pulling it off only at the relay?  Do I need special tools or just 
wrenches and a BF Hammer?

Thanks again.
Simon in Portland 109SW

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From: "M. Tompkins" <mmglass@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 18:31:37 -0500
Subject: Re: Which side? - Traffic Circles

We have a few roundabouts close to my house in Maryland.
I think most problems are the result of poor signs. They hired
some consultant from the UK to help design the roundabouts,
but I am guessing they didn't have them help with the signs.
I think if we had proper signs there would be less confusion.
People often almost stop in the roundabout trying to figure
out which road they want. I've always admired how great
British road signs are. Maybe I can convince them to hire
me to redo the signs. I am sure I have a few pictures of
roundabouts around here. Might have to put together a
proposal.

Good joke from my UK days. How can you tell an American
in a roundabout? Look for the car going around in circles with
their wipers on.

Last thought - One recent snow day when I was almost the
only one on the road going to the store. I drove my RHD LR
clockwise around the two roundabouts for old time's sake.

Cheers,
Mike Tompkins
'66 109" Hybrid Coiler SW
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Trails/6623/
http://www.netcom.com/~mmglass

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:46:10 -1000
Subject: Re: Kona coffee

> Without a truck, have to use his hatch back to haul bulky Items.

hahaha,
I can just picture it.  Driving up the side of some old lava flow with a
hatchback full of a couple hundred pounds of beans.
Pete

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From: wayne@yorkshire.u-net.com (Wayne Davies)
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 23:54:54 GMT
Subject: Re: Things working TOO well. Advice please!!!!

On Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:23:32 -0600 [multipart mime alternative 11 lines
deleted.] made me spill my meths when I read:

>On saturday I proceeded to change th window channels on the doors.
>The problem is that they work TOO well. TOO as in "TOO much".
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>Now I have automatic windows!!!
>They open when I reach a stop, and close back when I depart again.

Sounds ideal for the Drive Through.

All the brest

--

      Wayne Davies. Harrogate, N. Yorks, UK
                  www.yorkshire.u-net.com
          Tel: 07932 081776.    ICQ 6793487

  One tequila, two tequila, three tequila.... floor

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From: Niall Duncan Forbes <nforbes@is2.dal.ca>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:07:19 -0400 (AST)
Subject: Re: Things working TOO well. Advice please!!!!

>On Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:23:32 -0600 [multipart mime alternative 11 lines
>deleted.] made me spill my meths when I read:
OK, what exactly are meths? I presume spilling them is bad but ccan you
clean them up and use them or are they ruined?

ignorantly yours,

Niall Forbes
66 IIa 88SW
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/INTRO.HTM

-To the optimist, the glass is half full.
-To the pessimist, the glass is half-empty.
-To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

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From: "Ray Burton" <johnburton@mindspring.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 19:15:26 -0500
Subject: Re: switching sides

Adrian wrote:
^ The country was Sweden, date, early 60's AFAIK. As you say, it went like
^ a dream in one night, but then the Swedes are very trusting in authority!

I seem to remember that Belgium did the very same thing with the same
results within the past 5 years.

Cheers,
Ray Burton

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From: "Ray Burton" <johnburton@mindspring.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 19:24:26 -0500
Subject: Re: switching sides

Lee Jones wrote:
^ Eons ago when I did some racing, I (and most of my other racing buddies)
^ liked the wheel on the right mostly because we raced sportcars clockwise.

Maybe that's why NASCAR drives counter-clockwise ("all left turns").

IMHO, NASCAR & Winston-Cup are the MOST boring of all racing.  Give me a
good GTP class race anyday!!!

Cheers,
Ray Burton

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From: "Ray Burton" <johnburton@mindspring.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 19:30:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Round-abouts Was: switching sides

Traffic Circles can be good if they're designed correctly.  Washington DC
has always had traffic circles.  Originally, they were the worse traffic
hazards I'd ever seen.  The locals learned to live with them, but newcommers
had a really hard time with them.  Then in the 80s they re-engineered them
and now they are great for moving high amounts of traffic through an
intersection ot two or three streets each having high volumns of traffic.

Cheers,
Ray Burton

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From: Larry Smith <lodelane@home.com>
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 19:47:58 -0500
Subject: Re: switching sides

They were driving on the right 20 years ago.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: "William J. Rice" <jarvis64@juno.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 19:38:59 -0500
Subject: NJ Traffic Circles

David said,
"NJ used to have many traffic circles, and the rule was that traffic in
the circle yielded to traffic entering the circle."  

Having grown up and learned to drive in NJ, I will say this is probably
true, but the practice varied from circle to circle, there being NO signs
to indicate who had right-of way.  The Ledgewood circle worked this way,
but at the Flemington circle it seemed to work the other way--people
waited to enter the circle and then, once in, had the right of way. 
These are going the way of the dinosaur, as they were quickly handling
about 8 times as much traffic as they were designed for and the need for
stupid features (like traffic lights metering the traffic into the
circle, placed on each entrance road a few hundred meters back from the
circle) had made the circle itself a bigger nightmare than a standard
intersection w/ traffic lights.

Many towns here in the deep south have traffic circle sort of things at
the center of town, where the courthouse traditionally is installed in
the center of a pseudo-roundabout.  Works well b/c traffic's so light.

bill

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From: Steve Reddock <Steve@Reddock.net>
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 09:55:06 +0900
Subject: Re: switching sides

>If the majority don't drive, that only leaves 600,000,000 or so who do.  It
>seems all Chinese drive bicycles which must follow the same rules as auto's
>here so that brings the figure back above a Billion.
Actually China drives on the left. India does also, (more people than China 
now I think).

>Can someone confirm this or is it just urban legend.  Sweden or another
>Scandinavian Country went from driving on the left side to the world
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>over night and the populace got up, switched side for the morning commute
>and all was well.  Even the number of traffic accidents went down.

They did indeed switch. But it's not quite as you said.

In an effort to avoid the chaos on the night in question they had a phased 
change. The trucks and lorries changed a week before the cars to allow the 
general public an acclimatisation period.

Steve

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From: David Scheidt <dscheidt@enteract.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 18:56:33 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Which side? - Traffic Circles

On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, David Cockey wrote:

: New Jersey is a different story. NJ used to have many traffic circles,
: and the rule was that traffic in the circle yielded to traffic entering
: the circle. The result was frequent accidents, chaos and gridlock. Many
: circles were eliminated or heavily modified. On a recent trip to NJ
: though I saw a remaining circle with yield signs for traffic entering
: the circle, and large signs saying that traffic in the circle had right
: of way.

NJ's circles make less sense than that.  Right of way is based on
"historical traffic patterns", which means that sometimes the traffic in the
circle has the right of way, and sometimes the traffic entering it.  This
varys from circle to circle, and from one entrance in the circle to another.
Of course, morst new Jersey drivers wouldn't know what a yield sign was if
it it came and bit them on the nose. 

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 19:58:59 -0500
Subject: Re: steering clunk confessional

GOTCHA! GOTCHA! GOTCHA!

8*)

You should be able to pull just the arm to get the ring in place - there's a
fair bit of slop in the ball joints which should allow you to get the arm off.
if it seems tight, jack up the front end to put more space between the sprung
and unsprung bits.

Before you try to mount it, do yourself a favor and run a tap through the
mounting holes. if the frame's been galvi'ed or heavily painted I will almost
guarantee the holes are clogged...

               Alan

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From: "William J. Rice" <jarvis64@juno.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 19:56:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Which side? - Traffic Circles

Dave,
You and me, we're like this (making motion from my eyes to your eyes). 
Did you grow up there too?

Bill

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From: David Scheidt <dscheidt@enteract.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 19:25:12 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Which side? - Traffic Circles

On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, William J. Rice wrote:

> Dave,
> You and me, we're like this (making motion from my eyes to your eyes). 
> Did you grow up there too?

No, I just live there.   I am particulary fond of the non-circular circles.

David

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